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Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:08 PMStar Member Rosa Luxemburg (23,973 posts)So is this ISIS thing contrived to try to get us back in Iraq?The media are so obsessed with ISIS.
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:26 PMStar Member 99th_Monkey (10,860 posts)5. Well, there ARE those who are .. shall we say .. "skeptical" about ISISbeing actually who they say they are i.e. extremist Islamic Jihadists.The words "false flag" have been used in this context.I won't post any links on this on DU, but feel free to google "ISIS false flag" andyou'll get a sense of the basis of why some are suspicious as to who/what ISISreally is, or represents.
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:45 PMStar Member ucrdem (5,105 posts)14. The script is awfully familiarbut for the last six years or so there hasn't been a Hollywood ending.
Response to ucrdem (Reply #14)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:51 PMStar Member Rosa Luxemburg (23,973 posts)20. It's wonder they don't show some Bin Ladin videos?
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:51 PMStar Member winter is coming (7,224 posts)19. I'd be amazed if the CIA doesn't have its hands in it, somewhere. n/t
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 10:04 PMJesus Malverde (7,010 posts)22. From the Japanese perspectiveThe latest hostage crisis dovetailed nicely with the efforts by the government of Shinzo Abe to scrap the pacifist clauses of the constitution to militarize and take part in military adventures overseas. Its almost like ISIS worked hand in hand with them on a marketing campaign.ISIS 'Wake-up Call' May Change 'Pacifist' JapanFrom the US / syria perspective after the debacle of Libya, the American people were resoundly against US troop involvement in Syria. The idea of vanquishing yet another enemy for Israel was not on the peoples agenda and they were adamant in opposing it. Once the Assad regime relinquished its chemical weapons there was no excuse for involvement. The scary WMD threat was gone.Since then we see the rise of ISIS. Now the pentagon is fielding troops for "training" and arming forces that are not against ISIS but the Assad regime. These same jihadist have time and time again "defected" to ISIS after they are armed and trained by the US.http://nftu.net/3000-us-allied-fsa-rebels-defect-isis/http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/troops-heading-middle-east-train-syria-rebels-150124203412583.htmlISIS is documented to have been aided by the following US allies and or NATO Members.Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.Israel itself rather than attack ISIS and help fight the war on terror has instead attacked the very forces fighting ISIS by killing leading Syrian Army commanders and their Iranian and Hezbolla allies.http://www.workers.org/articles/2015/02/04/syria-says-israeli-attack-helps-al-qaida/http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/19/378394711/suspected-israeli-strike-kills-iranian-general-advising-syrian-troopsThey are also described as a billion dollar enterprise apparently freely moving their ill gotten gains through the international monetary system with impunity.http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-funding-routed-through-us-claims-islamic-state-commander-pakistan-1485622The rise of ISIS in many ways benefits many of the US allies and those who want the United States to continue it's involvement in Iraq and Syria.In September, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani rhetorically asked an NBC correspondent about ISIS: "Who financed them? Who provided them with money? … It's really clear -- where do the weapons come from? The terrorists who have come from all the countries, from which channel , where were they trained, in which country were they trained? I don't think it is somehow difficult to identify this information."ISIS money has come from Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and, to a lesser extent, Iraq.ISIS campaigns -- involving towed field guns, self-propelled armor and first-class tanks --do not come cheap. ISIS columns advance using satellites and thermal cameras, driven by skilled professionals who are paid serious wages, estimated at well north of $1,000 a month. ISIS campaigns are not within the competence of depleted al-Qaeda fighters, or volunteers from the ranks of Libya's militia, no less disaffected Europeans now flocking to ISIS ranks.ISIS operates like an armed multinational corporation, with a marketing and media subsidiary. ISIS has access to state of the art computer and social media, including widely available smart phone apps like Dawn of Glad Tidings, that posts tens of thousands of tweets a day. By using third-party accounts, ISIS messages are all but impervious to firewalls. ISIS' "Diaspora" is a a decentralized network, hosting recruiting materials with production values commonly found in Madison Avenue produced-ads for soup or soap.http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/01/12/isis-vast-resources-remodel-middle-east/21624903/Its code red all over, a new bogyman.
Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #22)Fri Feb 6, 2015, 10:42 PMStar Member 99th_Monkey (10,862 posts)23. Thank you for these sources & linksyes, a new & improved ME "jihadist" bogyman, to keep us very scared,scared enough to keep giving up our constitutionally guaranteed freedomsand civil rights.ISIS has false flag written all over it IMHO, brought to us by the usualsuspects: Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
The usual nuts using the standard nut jargon in order to make an attempt to sound intelligent and having insight that no one else has.
Star Member Rosa Luxemburg (23,973 posts)So is this ISIS thing contrived to try to get us back in Iraq?
Its code red all over, a new bogyman.
Star Member 99th_Monkey (10,874 posts) 5. Well, there ARE those who are .. shall we say .. "skeptical" about ISIS
They're completely nucking futz and this is the futzziest.... :
Yeah and the Japanese are in on it.
