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Offline Mr Mannn

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Re: The American state-religion is not Christianity. It is Nationalism.
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2015, 05:59:10 AM »
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The American state-religion is not Christianity. It is Nationalism.
Pure projection from a group of fools who worship at the foot of an all providing govt.


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Re: The American state-religion is not Christianity. It is Nationalism.
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2015, 08:24:33 AM »
It appears that you are saying that Satan would be saved and could return to Heaven, if he was baptized. Is that what you are saying? If it is, then Jesus appears to have laid out the road map for Satan's redemption.

Wouldn't you say?

No, that is what you are saying. You say that all Christ requires is believing in him and being baptized. That is true up to a point but to believe in Christ is also to live out his other commandments.

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So, Jesus didn't really mean it, when he said "He who believes in me and is baptized will be saved"; and the word of God is subject to terms and conditions, as the lawyers say.

You also appear to discount the deathbed repentance, which neither you nor I know if ol' Fred made before he assumed room temperature. You know, the parable of the Prodigal Son.

You may want to check with your pastor about those bits of theology. You may also want to read Matthew 7:1-2, and think about judging the status of another man's soul. I hear that can come back to bite a fella.

You sure read a lot out of my post that I didn't put in it. You are moving the goal posts. Deathbed repentance is good if there is true repentance for ones actions. Since his followers are still doing has he taught them then it is safe to assume there was no deathbed repentance. I may be wrong because I don't know the hearts of man. I can only base my opinion on his actions. Many of the Nazi's repented while waiting trial and possible execution. Those ministering to them felt their repentance to be real and if so then they were saved.

Believing in Christ means more that just saying "Yes Jesus I believe in you" and then going on your merry way and living an unchanged life. That my friend is called antinomianism. One can believe in Christ and not believe Christ. The terms and conditions you refer to are merely natural responses of loving someone. When I fell in love with my wife it stirred in me certain changes and responses. I wanted to spend more time with here that I did with my friends. I also stopped seeking out the romantic companionship of other women. Now if I told her I loved her and then spent all my time as I did before and seeing other women would she be wrong to assume that I didn't really love her?

Finally, you should really understand Matthew 7 and the comments on Judgement before you use it. I don't think it means what you think it means. You use it much in the same away the DUers do when they are criticizing Christians. If a Christian cannot judge then how would he or she know who to reach out to and who to avoid? The epistles of Paul speak about dealing with those who claim to be Christian but who are not behaving as Christians. Is that not judging someone's faith? Admittedly it is for the spiritual health if the offender but it is also for the spiritual health of the body of Christ. 

I am not sure why you are taking me to task over then when there have been others commenting that have said the same thing. With that said, I don't mind defending my beliefs. In fact I enjoy it and thank you for the opportunity to clarify my understanding of Christs teachings. If I am wrong about something or have misunderstood then I want to know. I am a fallen human and far from perfect. I see things though the eyes of fallen man and I understand that I often see through the glass darkly.

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Re: The American state-religion is not Christianity. It is Nationalism.
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2015, 08:44:33 AM »
I am not sure why you are taking me to task over then when there have been others commenting that have said the same thing. With that said, I don't mind defending my beliefs. In fact I enjoy it and thank you for the opportunity to clarify my understanding of Christs teachings. If I am wrong about something or have misunderstood then I want to know. I am a fallen human and far from perfect. I see things though the eyes of fallen man and I understand that I often see through the glass darkly.

It's a pleasure to discuss this with you, my friend. Any religion or philosophy which can't withstand rigorous examination is not worth the name.
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