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Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:56 AM
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Beef Wellington

Our Beef Wellington went more like Beef Napoleon. The Retreat from Moscow. After sparing no expense and exhaustive research and a Good Plan.... duxelles, proscuitto, black truffle oil. The brioche encasement was beautifully done, but the meat had not reached 100 deg F. We then removed the crust and put the beef back in the oven. Technical problems with thermometers too. After another half hour the meat showed 156 deg, but was raw when we cut it. We cut the thing up into steaks and finished baking them that way. We then served it in slices with the crust cunningly sliced to look like the real thing.

I figured out that in order to have Beef Wellington you have to win the Battle of Waterloo, have your leg taken off by a cannonball or something. In other words, this is not a dish for ordinary mortals.

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Fri Dec 26, 2014, 09:04 AM
Star Member Major Nikon (15,421 posts)
1. The meat on the inside should be pretty much raw

The basic idea is to sear the tenderloin before encasing it in puff pastry, but that's pretty much the extent of cooking the meat receives. The rest of the cooking operation is concerned with browning the puff pastry. Once the puff pastry puffs, you will have a considerable amount of air encasing the meat which acts as an insulator and will inhibit further cooking of the meat. The idea is simply to warm the meat up. 100F is near perfect. 110-115F is ideal, IMO, but the main consideration after you put it in the oven is a properly browned exterior. I don't even worry about what the internal temperature is. Most Americans have an aversion to eating very rare beef, but that's the proper way to prepare the dish. If you want the tenderloin cooked more, you'll have to do so before putting it all together.

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Fri Dec 26, 2014, 12:20 PM
Star Member cbayer (139,622 posts)
2. What a tragedy.

As this is one of my favorite dishes ever, I feel your pain.

As stated above, this is for those that like their meat rare, but raw is pushing it.

If you want to try again, and I wouldn't blame you if you didn't, try making individual portions. You can slice the tenderloin then treat it as you would the whole thing.

This also gives you the opportunity to pre-cook pieces for those that don't do rare.

So sad.


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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2014, 06:11:30 PM »
<<<just got in; the Top DUmmies to resume here later today, as soon as I get my head collected and all ducks in a row.  Until that happens, I'll write instead about my own Christmas dinner tragedy.

Because I'd bought one crockpot--with a removeable bowl for cleaning--as a Christmas present from the hardware store in town, the owner of the store wrapped and gave me a second crockpot--with a removeable bowl for cleaning--as a present from her.

She's very nice and very aesthetic; she lacks only dark brown hair, rather than the blonde hair she has, to be ideal.  She's in her late 30s, and maybe perhaps a little severe-looking, but that heightens her angular features.

So I figured I'd make beef stew for Christmas supper, having already chowed down with the neighbor and his family for Christmas dinner circa noon.

And so I did, but it turned out bland-tasting.

Now, making beef stew from scratch, from leftovers and odds-and-ends, is pretty much a crap game; it turns out differently every time.  I've been making beef stew since I've been on my own as a teenager, and one's never turned out the same as any of the other ones.

But this batch was peculiarly bland.  I figured it was because of the seasonings.

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This morning, when I was in the big city, I stopped at a grocery store there.  There's two great big huge new modern state-of-the-art grocery stores in the big city, but I don't like to walk the length of a football field just to get a gallon of milk, and so I shop at the much smaller store where the Country Club set shops, like Ms. Vanderbilt-Astor, the NJ Cher primitive, rubbing elbows with people definitely not the hoi polloi.

It's more expensive, but at least one doesn't have to lug hiking-and-camping gear to shop there.

While I was in the aisle where the canned, already-prepared, beef stew was, and perusing the label on one to determine what seasonings were used in it, a woman looking very much like Nancy Reagan at 40, ultra-slim waist and all that, besides well-dressed, passed me with her cart, and I suddenly got an idea.

When she stopped to look at something, I pulled up alongside her, and said, "You know, you look like somebody who's made beef stew from scratch"--she nodded her head, smiling--"and I'd like your advice and counsel."

I told her about the problem, and she asked, "Well, what seasonings did you put in it?"

The usual, I said; "Salt, pepper, onion salt--I won't have onions in my stew--and paprika."

A second woman, looking very much as Alice Montagu-Douglas-Scott had looked at 40, had stopped, and overheard our conversation.  "You put paprika in beef stew?"

Of course, I said; I've always put paprika in beef stew, as one's supposed to.

Both women looked at me as if I were Bozo from Outer Space.

"One's supposed to put paprika in beef stew," I said; "doesn't everybody?"

A third woman, looking very much as Katharine Hepburn had looked at 40, shook her head.  "I've never heard of it," she said.

"Now come on," I replied; "I've been making beef stew from scratch since I was first on my own; I've made it from scratch for decades now, and have always put paprika in it, a flat tablespoon of it."

"But why would you put paprika in beef stew?" the woman I'd originally approached, asked.

"I dunno," I said; probably the very first time in my life I made it, I consulted a cookbook, and it said to use a flat tablespoon of it.  Since the ingredients of beef stew are pretty elementary and uncomplicated, I never bothered looking at a recipe for it after that first time, and just made it.

"Using paprika as one of the seasonings."

"Oh, but honey, one never uses paprika in beef stew."

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Now, inevitably if a man brings three women together and gets them talking, he gets shoved out.  I stood there for a while, watching as they discussed various methods of making beef stew.....but if any of them mentioned which seasonings they used, I didn't "catch" it.

I quietly slipped away, and found packages of what were identified as "beef stew seasoning mix," and took one, for ninety-nine cents.

When I got home, I examined the package for its list of ingredients, figuring seasonings would be itemized there.

Alas, other than the chemical ingredients, it said merely "seasonings and spices," without identifying them.

I fed the stew to the cats; there's plenty of good prime beef in it, and the vegetables won't hurt them.
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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2014, 07:27:55 PM »
With a package of McCormick beef stew seasoning you cannot go wrong.

I have no idea what's in it, but the stew always comes out great.

In fact, we've probably tried a dozen different McCormick seasoning packages, for everything from chili to fish, and they're all good.

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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2014, 09:58:55 PM »
Not trying to knock McCormicks, but my taste run more toward Lawrys, especially the chili mix.

But back to franksolich's beef stew dilemma, mix a half-teaspoon  (per gallon of stew) of cayenne pepper in it. That will give it a red tinge. Spicy red to be exact. And saute the celery/green peppers/carrots before introducing them to the party.

For everyone else, substitute onions for carrots in the saute.

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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2014, 11:00:57 AM »
Frank, to my palate, the spices that most affect a stew, aside from various peppers and things that to me affect the 'heat' more than the taste, are savory, sage, celery, allspice, garlic, and curry (If your taste runs to the latter, which mine does not), while salt (Unless one's doctor has proscribed the delicious mineral, not a problem for me) is pretty critical to bringing out any of the flavors. Never tried paprika, which I view as more of a colorant than a flavoring, but I have been known to use a pinch of cinnamon and/or nutmeg to make the mix more aromatic.
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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2014, 02:20:06 PM »
Cinnamon in stew?  Excuse me, where do we air our grievances? 

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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2014, 02:21:01 PM »
Cinnamon in stew?  Excuse me, where do we air our grievances?

You'll have to wait until Dec 23 of next year.  :-)

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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2014, 03:35:16 PM »
Cinnamon in stew?  Excuse me, where do we air our grievances?

Yeah, you're three days late and a pinch of cinnamon short on that...

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Re: Another cooking and baking primitive suffers Christmas dinner tragedy
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 04:10:48 PM »
Frank, to my palate, the spices that most affect a stew, aside from various peppers and things that to me affect the 'heat' more than the taste, are savory, sage, celery, allspice, garlic, and curry (If your taste runs to the latter, which mine does not), while salt (Unless one's doctor has proscribed the delicious mineral, not a problem for me) is pretty critical to bringing out any of the flavors. Never tried paprika, which I view as more of a colorant than a flavoring, but I have been known to use a pinch of cinnamon and/or nutmeg to make the mix more aromatic.

I'll try out your, and GOBUCKS', and tanstaafl's suggestions the middle of next week, to dine upon while writing up the franksolich and Top DUmmie of 2014 awards; as mentioned previously, this batch went to the cats.

There's another problem that never existed, until about 15 years ago, long after I'd started making beef stew from scratch. 

Potatoes that adamantly refuse to be cooked all the way through.

This wasn't a problem all through the 1980s and 1990s; only the past 15 or so years.  Maybe potatoes are different now, than they were then.

The way I currently deal with it is that I buy two large packages of frozen "stew vegetables," which are potatoes (cooked), celery, carrots, and onions.

I first dump the packages into a bowl, and then dig out all the potatoes, all the celery, and the smaller parts of carrots, dumping those into the crockpot.

I discard the rest.

But that's not exactly a cheap way around this problem of raw potatoes.
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