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Interests => Hobbies => Topic started by: Wineslob on January 03, 2013, 02:48:41 PM

Title: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 03, 2013, 02:48:41 PM
I figure this'll get Catsems attention.    :-)


I "found" an old bamboo fly rod that I had forgotten about for probably over 10 years out in the garage. At one time I 'collected" them for aesthetic  reasons and possibly to make some money (collectibles). Many that I found and I really didn't know much about, were "junker" rods. Many from the post WW2 era and made in Japan. One though, I realized was a "decent" rod. It uses Nickle Silver ferrules and reel seat plus the action of the rod was/is much better than the junkers.

A few pics of what it looks like:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4354-1.jpg)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4352-1.jpg)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4351-1.jpg)

I used these photos to ID the rod on a forum and was pleased to find out what I have is a 1934 Heddon #13 Lucky Angler.

The finish on the rod is shot plus it looks like it was refinished many years ago, and not well. Whoever did it removed the original decals. The only way it was ID'd was from the reel seat and shape of the cork handle.

I'm going to do a total strip down and refinish. This is where I have a question for Catsemtrods.
 I believe you make your own rods? Do you use the "dip" method for finishing your rods? From that point on I have no problem re wrapping the rod as Iv'e done several of those beloved "plastic" rods that I cherish so much.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 03, 2013, 04:07:04 PM
I do have a dip tank. The Lucky Angler #13 from 1934 did have maroon wraps but were tipped in green. I would use Citristrip and 0000 steel wool very carefully try not to take down the edges of the seams. You need to be careful with stripper as the glue used in the day might delaminate! I use MOW spar varnish in my tank and wraps. I dip the blank once and then wrap. I finish the wraps with 2 coats of brushed varnish and then dip the finished rod again. Back in the day that was built it would not surprise me if they finished the rod with a turkey baster! Actually making rods is easier that refinishing! Good luck!

A few of mine.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/rods/inscript.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/rods/MVC-001F-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 03, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
Cats, ty and gorgeous fly rods!

I've never done the dipping process, so I'll have to look that up.  

 :cheersmate:


Your website is now bookmarked.


Love that little 7ft 4 wt.    :drool:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 03, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Dip tank is a big investment and or project! Probably not for you. For years I finished blanks with Birchwood Casey gunstock finish and a lint free rag with great success. Its a bit of a learning experience to finish wraps with varnish but guys like you could cheat and use epoxy finish since your not trying to cheat anyone but yourself! 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: marv on January 03, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
The restoration of antiques is a hobby of mine, too. If it's OLD, has WOOD, or is a GUN......

An M1869 .50/70 Cavalry carbine. Only 342 were ever made, and only for troop trials.
(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/M1868.jpg)

The top is an M1842 .69 calibre "Mississippi", and the lower is a .20 gauge Belgian "Zulu" shotgun.
(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/Muskets.jpg)

The serial number indicates this M96 Mauser is from the last lot of an Italian 1900 contract.
(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/Mauser_M96.jpg)

Documentation indicates this Ansonio "kitchen clock" was manufactured in 1842. It's still running on an old table in our living room.
(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/Ansonio%20Clock.jpg)

A steamer trunk, ca. 1860. I made an exception to my "restoration" rule. I lined it with tongue and groove closet liner cedar, and we use it as a cedar chest.
(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/Trunk%201860.jpg)

Nothing ever just "gets old".
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 03, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Old = Good!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 04, 2013, 09:37:31 AM
Dip tank is a big investment and or project! Probably not for you. For years I finished blanks with Birchwood Casey gunstock finish and a lint free rag with great success. Its a bit of a learning experience to finish wraps with varnish but guys like you could cheat and use epoxy finish since your not trying to cheat anyone but yourself!  

Ya I saw that. I'll probably do what I did before with a bamboo rod, very, very carefully remove finish, tape off whats needs to be, and spray with a poly exterior varnish, re-wrap and Flex Cote the wraps. This rod is for me, so I'm not trying to be "perfect" and impress anyone.  I did one many years ago this way and the results were excellent.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 04, 2013, 03:30:32 PM
Try the Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil. I think they even have it in a spray can now. Its indestructible! I coated a few old butt sections with it and am still using them for tomato stakes 10 years later!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 04, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
Try the Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil. I think they even have it in a spray can now. Its indestructible! I coated a few old butt sections with it and am still using them for tomato stakes 10 years later!

I'll look for that, but I've never heard of it.   :???:



Damn enviroweenies, it cannot be shipped to Ca.     :mad:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 04, 2013, 06:12:16 PM
Son of a bitch! I bet you can't get spar varnish either? Are there no cane rodmakers in commiefornia?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 05, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Son of a bitch! I bet you can't get spar varnish either? Are there no cane rodmakers in commiefornia?


There's plenty of rod builders around here. You can get Spar Varnish (Man-O-War). Runs about $14 for an aerosol can. I decided on a Poly after reading how well it does. No fade/yellowing/flexible plus it's very tough. I fish (as you probably saw in my photos) very rocky areas where allot of climbing is involved. Rods get beat up.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: BattleHymn on January 05, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
That is a very pretty rod.  I'd love to have something like that to hang on my wall.   

Speaking for myself, I like old things,too.  Old furniture, old books, old appliances, old houses, old cars, heck, old everything.   

We need a 'show your old stuff thread' here somewhere.  I'd love to see what everybody else has, like marv posted.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 05, 2013, 01:12:30 PM

There's plenty of rod builders around here. You can get Spar Varnish (Man-O-War). Runs about $14 for an aerosol can. I decided on a Poly after reading how well it does. No fade/yellowing/flexible plus it's very tough. I fish (as you probably saw in my photos) very rocky areas where allot of climbing is involved. Rods get beat up.
Believe it or not, bamboo can take more of a beating than those plastic sticks!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 14, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
I started on the rod this weekend. Used Citristrip to remove the old finish. It worked VERY well! The next day (Sunday) I sprayed the "blank" with Helmsman Spar Urethane (semi-gloss). So far, so good. I'll get some pics up.


Oh, it turns out that this is a "Heavy Bass/Trout rod" decided by the size of the ferrules. Some where around a 7-8 wt. I may actually take this rod up to Pyramid Lake (NV) this March and fish for the large Cutts there. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 18, 2013, 12:15:10 PM
Picked up a nice little gem for the rod:



(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg578/grasssticks60/Beaudex-1_zps3341835a.jpg)


It's coming together:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4359_zps5f477fb0.jpg)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4357_zpsfcc47688.jpg)

Not so ratty looking now,

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4358_zpsbe29fd4e.jpg)

I should have the rest of the wraps done tonight.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 20, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Iv'e got the guides done and coated. The thread I used is supposed to be correct and is very thin compared to what I've used in the past. A PITA, but the rod came out OK.


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4364_zps5495b437.jpg)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_4365_zps54161184.jpg)


Next I'll put on the decorative wraps and a hook keeper.

Cats, for the decorative wraps do you use a thinner thread than the A? I'm trying to figure out how the "old guys" were able to put such small color bands on the rods.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 20, 2013, 10:18:34 AM
Yes the trick to thin trim bands is smaller thread and spit! If you wet the thread you can lock 3-4 turns. I use a scalpel to trim tag ends. Looking good!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 22, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
Looking great!

I'm guessing it's a 9ft rod?  Nice reel, are you going to try a silk line?

I have a love for bamboo rods, been fishing them and collecting them for awhile.


Cats.. I like your penta. I have a Usian 7ft 5wt, same type of action?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 23, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
Looking great!

I'm guessing it's a 9ft rod?  Nice reel, are you going to try a silk line?

I have a love for bamboo rods, been fishing them and collecting them for awhile.


Cats.. I like your penta. I have a Usian 7ft 5wt, same type of action?

Yup, 9 footer. I picked up a Heddon #14 Thoroughbred (probably from the 50's) in the same ferrule size (2 3/4) and same length for 30 bucks, with case and bag. It's in bad enough shape that I decided to see if the tip section is the same as the #13, it is. I'll re-do the tip and that'll give me two for the older rod.

No silk, I'm not a masochist.  :-)

I took the rod out the other night and cast a 6wt sinking line with it. Damn, what a beast.   :o
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 23, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Looking great!

I'm guessing it's a 9ft rod?  Nice reel, are you going to try a silk line?

I have a love for bamboo rods, been fishing them and collecting them for awhile.


Cats.. I like your penta. I have a Usian 7ft 5wt, same type of action?

Both the 7' rods are base on the Cattanach Sir D 7042 7 Ft 4 Wt taper that we tweaked a little by swelling the butt. Everyone that ever cast them love them. They are delicate yet can toss a 5wt 85' if your a good caster. Honestly I never had a real Uslan in my hands. I have cast rods built on his tapers and felt they broke down with a lot of line out?

 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 23, 2013, 09:02:52 PM
Wine, LOL..  the old 9ft rods tend to be quite heavy, yet can still throw alot of line. Silk is wonderfull to cast, and dosent take that much matainance.

Cats, I've cast a few rods based upon the sir D, not bad at all!  The Uslan flexes all the way to the grip when you load it. Fun on small waters but not very good for the bigger waters we have out here in the west.   Have you tried any quads?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 24, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Yeah the Uslan tapers I have cast were very slow. Our Sir D is hopped up so to speak! I have not built a quad but have cast many and love them! A lot of power! But for some reason they never win the casting competition we have every year at the gathering? Of course I never won that either!!  
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 29, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
Quote
Wine, LOL..  the old 9ft rods tend to be quite heavy, yet can still throw alot of line.


Well I got the reel last night. Gotta love English craftsmanship, well, with fly reels anyway. I put a WF 7 F line on it and did a few casts in the front yard. I'm gonna have a sore right arm when I fish with this thing.  :o
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 29, 2013, 03:57:03 PM
Next time you find a 9' 3 piece rod throw the butt section away and make a 6' banty rod. I have some nice little rods I made from South Bends and Shakespeare rods.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 29, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
Looked up a "Banty" rod.


Damn you, damn you, damn you.

Ya gone done and gave me an idea. I gots the parts.


 :yahoo:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 29, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
I was gonna mention banty rods, but figured you had gone thru all the work of restoring the whole thing it might be a insult!

Most trout rods of that era were 6wts, you might want to try one on it!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dacabeti on January 30, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
I have an old Bamboo fly rod (at least I think its old) with a real that was left in my fathers stuff when he passed (he mentioned it came from his father years before). It's in a bamboo case. I have no idea what its shape is in as I put it away and have not taken it out. The real looks like a side mounted Zebco 202 but much thinner (if that makes sense). It does not look like a typical open fly real.

If I post some pics could I get an idea about the combo? I'm curious about what it is. My father was known to tell a tale or 2 so it may have just been something he picked up at Walmart.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 30, 2013, 09:30:53 AM
I was gonna mention banty rods, but figured you had gone thru all the work of restoring the whole thing it might be a insult!

Most trout rods of that era were 6wts, you might want to try one on it!


The other rod is the same ferrule size. Last night I found the butt section from a Sage LL 3/4 wt. I had built around 1990. The tip section is broken, and not repairable. I cut off the rod at the top of the handle. I then removed the ferrule and sanded the mid section of the bamboo rod (the one I just bought) to fit down inside the handle, it's a damn stiff rod,(calling Gina  :panic:) but it'll make for an interesting "Banty".
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 30, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
I have an old Bamboo fly rod (at least I think its old) with a real that was left in my fathers stuff when he passed (he mentioned it came from his father years before). It's in a bamboo case. I have no idea what its shape is in as I put it away and have not taken it out. The real looks like a side mounted Zebco 202 but much thinner (if that makes sense). It does not look like a typical open fly real.

If I post some pics could I get an idea about the combo? I'm curious about what it is. My father was known to tell a tale or 2 so it may have just been something he picked up at Walmart.


Post some pics of it! Especially if there are any name/numbers on it.

The reel is an "automatic", it's spring loaded so it will retrieve the line.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dacabeti on January 30, 2013, 11:47:09 AM

Post some pics of it! Especially if there are any name/numbers on it.

The reel is an "automatic", it's spring loaded so it will retrieve the line.

I will, thanks
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 30, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
I have an old Bamboo fly rod (at least I think its old) with a real that was left in my fathers stuff when he passed (he mentioned it came from his father years before). It's in a bamboo case. I have no idea what its shape is in as I put it away and have not taken it out. The real looks like a side mounted Zebco 202 but much thinner (if that makes sense). It does not look like a typical open fly real.

If I post some pics could I get an idea about the combo? I'm curious about what it is. My father was known to tell a tale or 2 so it may have just been something he picked up at Walmart.

Do post pictures!  Also include any writing on the rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dacabeti on January 30, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
The Real is a Johnson model 40 Pat Pend. I looked it up and it shows as around $20 so it's nothing special.

The case is balsa wood. There is 1 base, 2 middle sections and 2 end pieces. Forgive my terminology if it is incorrect. The only writing is NFT near the handle (grip)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img33/8523/p1300002z.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img703/89/p1300006u.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img12/7263/p1300005q.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img515/8964/p1300006m.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 31, 2013, 12:29:09 AM
That is a spin cast reel I think not a fly reel. The rod an case are most likely Japanese. A lot of those were imported after WW2. The 2 mid sections are interesting? Not worth much me thinks.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dacabeti on January 31, 2013, 09:34:17 AM
That is a spin cast reel I think not a fly reel. The rod an case are most likely Japanese. A lot of those were imported after WW2. The 2 mid sections are interesting? Not worth much me thinks.

My Grandfather was in Japan when the treaty was signed at the end of WWII. He was stationed there for about 5 years after so that may be where he got it. While it might not have a high monetary value it does have some sentimental value. I have a better idea of where it came from so that is nice. I wonder why he kept the rod and real together?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 31, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
My Grandfather was in Japan when the treaty was signed at the end of WWII. He was stationed there for about 5 years after so that may be where he got it. While it might not have a high monetary value it does have some sentimental value. I have a better idea of where it came from so that is nice. I wonder why he kept the rod and real together?

Thank you.

He may have just stored them together. The rod may actually "fish" decently, who knows?

TY for sharing.     :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dacabeti on January 31, 2013, 04:51:14 PM
He may have just stored them together. The rod may actually "fish" decently, who knows?

TY for sharing.     :cheersmate:
Thank you guys. I didn't care about the monetary value. I was wondering about its history. My grandfather was not exactly a talkative guy. So it's nice to know he kept something for years. I even found an old train I had. He took the locomotive apart, cleaned it, put it back together, mounted it and painted it like Casey's 009 Engine. It shows me he had a little sentiment in him.

Knowing he brought it back from Japan gives it value to me. He was a Marine Raider during WWII. The only time I ever got anything out of him was one time when I was on leave he mentioned Makin Island.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 31, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
Dac,
 The wood box is typical of post WWII Japanese rods. It was one of the industries started to get their country going after the war. To think it went from bamboo rods to electronics and cars (all of which the united states pionered).
 The rod you have I would consider a wall hanger. Everytime you look at it it will bring your Grandfather back to mind!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 14, 2013, 02:16:48 PM
I'm working on the Heddon #14, stripped, varnished, trying to figure out if I want to invest in an Agate stripper guide.......

One question, is there a way to determine the wt? I used the second and tip sections to make it into a 6 1/2 footer but it's really got some backbone to it. It ain't no Parabolic.......
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 14, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
There is this http://www.common-cents.info/CCS_basic_Layout_1.pdf but I prefer to just cast it with different wt lines and see what works.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 18, 2013, 10:10:52 AM
I took the Heddon #13 out Saturday and fished the NFF (North Fork Feather River) Didn't get a single hit, but it was very interesting casting/fishing a bamboo rod for the first time. The timing was sure different.......
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on February 18, 2013, 09:28:27 PM
Hi Wine, I have a Heddon 14 in mint condition that I have fished a few times, a very slow rod. It the time they were sold they were marketed as a "lake" rod, what ever that means! As I understood it they were a good trolling fly rod that had very smooth action with a fish on.

Making a banty out of it will speed it up a bit, but I havent found too many bantys that dont respond to a 6wt line very well.

IE: Feather river, did you check water temps? Drys typ start coming off when it reaches 40-42d (H2O temp).  Justa a FYI, most trout waters have stonefly nymphs in them year round, at least out here in the west.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 19, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
Hi Wine, I have a Heddon 14 in mint condition that I have fished a few times, a very slow rod. It the time they were sold they were marketed as a "lake" rod, what ever that means! As I understood it they were a good trolling fly rod that had very smooth action with a fish on.

Making a banty out of it will speed it up a bit, but I havent found too many bantys that dont respond to a 6wt line very well.

IE: Feather river, did you check water temps? Drys typ start coming off when it reaches 40-42d (H2O temp).  Justa a FYI, most trout waters have stonefly nymphs in them year round, at least out here in the west.


 :-)

I used a bead head #14 similar to this (my own design though):

(http://www.flyfishohio.com/images/beadheadptnymph.JPG)

and some stone flies (Golden). I could see a few fish taking a swipe at the flies, but no takes. The river is not known for dries, but huge populations of stone flies. At those time I use an AP Black Stone and knock the crap out of them. A Feldermaus will have the same effect. I've tried to fish this river many times in the past (28 years) during winter, but the damn fish are always sleeping. I think they just know that nothings going on. Usually it'll "wake up" around mid/late May or so.

After an hour of fishing the Heddon, I got the timing right so it became second nature to cast it. Yup, it's a "slow" rod, but does not require allot of effort for longer casts. Some of the pools were slightly out of range for my 4wt Sage, but with this rod, not a problem.

I have an eye on a 8 1/2' SB 323 "project rod" that's a "true" 5wt. I'll see if it's available next month. I think it would be a great rod to fish this river with.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 26, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
I pulled the trigger ($75) on a SB 346 8 1/2 footer. "True" 5 wt. It's in "good" shape, but will need some resto. Should be fun.


Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on February 26, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
I pulled the trigger ($75) on a SB 346 8 1/2 footer. "True" 5 wt. It's in "good" shape, but will need some resto. Should be fun.




Sounds great! South Bends were typicaly great rods!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 27, 2013, 04:20:24 AM
Keep it up and you will will be buying lathes and dip tanks and if your not careful you'll end up with a mess like this!

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-001F-1.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-002F-3.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-003F-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 27, 2013, 04:25:47 AM
See the power cord coming down from the ceiling in the middle photo? That the heater for the dip tube that is enclosed in an anti static closet installed in my wives walk in closet in our bedroom above! This hobby can be dangerous!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 27, 2013, 09:41:38 AM
Keep it up and you will will be buying lathes and dip tanks and if your not careful you'll end up with a mess like this!

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-001F-1.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-002F-3.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/MVC-003F-1.jpg)

Ohhhhhh, shiny objects............ :hyper:


Quote
See the power cord coming down from the ceiling in the middle photo? That the heater for the dip tube that is enclosed in an anti static closet installed in my wives walk in closet in our bedroom above! This hobby can be dangerous!


My wife would kill me..

You do resto work?

Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 27, 2013, 03:25:24 PM
Just for myself. I don't touch any high end antiques.
 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 28, 2013, 10:14:01 AM
The SB is on it's way. I think it'll need just a re-wrap here and there, but I'll have to figure out how to "age" the white/black silk to match. Plus I have to find a single bobbin of the stuff..........

Have you guys used the "Sylk" lines? I'm looking at the 444 Courtland. I don't want to re-do the rod with modern guides.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on February 28, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
The Sylk lines I have had were all ok, tips will sink if you dont keep it cleaned and treated.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 08, 2013, 09:54:45 AM
I got the Black/Orange Jasper thread. I may as well just do the whole rod. I had to tighten up the ferrules using a tubing flaring tool. Just the part that holds the tubing. Worked great!

Pic of the rod ends. The varnish is quite darkened.


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/SB2_zps2113c34e.jpeg)


I love the action of this rod. Very nice.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 08, 2013, 10:14:18 AM
I made some killer banty's with 9ft South Bends.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 08, 2013, 12:17:40 PM
I made some killer banty's with 9ft South Bends.


Not this one.  It's the perfect rod for the rivers/creeks I fish here. HEH or E 8 1/2 footer. True 5 wt.    :hyper:

Now, I do know where I can get a 359 9 footer for 80 bucks, in really good condition.............
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 09, 2013, 02:03:01 PM
I built banty's out of a few 359's They're great! I sold one to a saltwater guide in Fla who keeps it on his boat rigged for snook! He loves it, lots of power!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 12, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Water temps hit 42 for awhile today. Western March Browns are beeing seen and the fish are taking them. Skwallas are almost done and the blue wings are just starting. Mild winter is going to make for some great spring fishing!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 13, 2013, 04:50:09 AM
Floods and coffee water here like usual!  :mad:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 13, 2013, 09:43:09 AM
Water temps hit 42 for awhile today. Western March Browns are beeing seen and the fish are taking them. Skwallas are almost done and the blue wings are just starting. Mild winter is going to make for some great spring fishing!


It sure is. I may go out again this weekend.
Still waiting for guides, CP, and other goodies so I can give the SB the re-do.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 18, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
Took the Heddon out and got my first Trout on a grassstick.   :yahoo:




(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0004_zps89185765.jpg)



 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 18, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
 :cheersmate: nice!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 18, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
Fantastic! And you reel from the correct side too!

River blew out 3 days ago, will be at least another two till is is fishable. May have to hit a spring creek.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 19, 2013, 05:21:32 AM
I just got another 6" snow!  :rant:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 19, 2013, 09:14:01 AM
Gonna be near 80 this weekend.   :tongue:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 25, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
Went up on the Feather again Yesterday. Took the SB 346. Damn, just damn. Makes my Sage 349 LL feel like a wet noodle. Amazing fly rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 25, 2013, 10:46:13 AM
Went up on the Feather again Yesterday. Took the SB 346. Damn, just damn. Makes my Sage 349 LL feel like a wet noodle. Amazing fly rod.


Oh no! your in trouble!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 25, 2013, 12:31:46 PM


Oh no! your in trouble!



 :rofl:

Donno if I'll get any more "grass sticks" but that SB surprised the hell out of me. Heck, it wasn't even loaded up right. I was using a WF4F but it'll easily throw it 25-30 feet farther than the Sage. Mending, accuracy, etc, etc, was MUCH better, and it never ran out of power. The Sage will "fall apart" if I try to double haul too much line. It's a perfect match for my absolute fav. river to fish.   :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 28, 2013, 01:08:48 PM
The rod in question after a little "fixin"


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0015_zps52322063.jpg)



(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0016_zpsce666ea7.jpg)


Nearly all the wraps were "dry" and the mid section needed 2 guides replaced. With a little re-varnish, it came out nice.

Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 28, 2013, 04:27:59 PM
A lot of those rods had the burnt strip! That tells me they wern't even glued up from the same clum! They had the taper down though didn't they.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 28, 2013, 05:29:31 PM
A lot of those rods had the burnt strip! That tells me they wern't even glued up from the same clum! They had the taper down though didn't they.

I think so. The guy I bought it from said they were trying to compete with Grangers and the like.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 12, 2013, 09:52:40 AM
Picking up a late 50's JW Young Beaudex 3 1/2". I gave up on trying to find a Pflueger 1495. Hell the Young is not much more than any of the Pfluegers I saw and is 3 X's the reel. Should be a great match for the SB. I'll do some pRon pics once I get it.   :-)



Those Youngs sure are purty:


(http://www.mediagrand.plus.com/beaudex1.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 22, 2013, 02:29:48 PM
I took the kidlet fishing. I picked her up a mid 60's Shakespeare fly rod (Wonder Rod) for $5 at the 'Will. It's not too bad, and is good for learning. She actually hooked up with 3-4 fish, but didn't get the "strike" right and lost them.


Her being "silly":


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The river is looking good. This time last year, it was un-fishable.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/002_zps32bc4009.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/002_zps32bc4009.jpg.html)


Here she is being a trooper. She's a good kid. Bitched at first, but is getting the idea that sometimes, the trip is worth more than the fishing. She actually said she enjoyed dad dragging her into the canyon from hell.    :hyper:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/009_zps78b16222.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/009_zps78b16222.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on May 13, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
gonna be a busy weekend at a local spring creek. A few freinds, and friends to be will be camping and fishing together. I'll take a few cane rods for folks to try. Some say I'm just a carrier of the bamboo fever. I just want to share it with all.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on May 14, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
gonna be a busy weekend at a local spring creek. A few freinds, and friends to be will be camping and fishing together. I'll take a few cane rods for folks to try. Some say I'm just a carrier of the bamboo fever. I just want to share it with all.



*likes this*


Mid ferrule (female) on the SB came loose, dammit, plus one tip broke right at the ferrule.  :argh: I'll get it fixed up soon. The tip will only lose about 3/4" with the repair so it should be OK. With the weather coporating, it's gonna be awesome on the river this weekend, and I want the rod ready.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 06, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
Cats, I'm having trouble getting the ferrule (female) on the butt section off. It's "loose" as in it will slide up slightly from fishing the rod, but I can't get it to budge so I can re-glue it.  Ideas????  :???:

I'm also thinking of going to a larger stripper guide. The line doesn't slide as freely as I'd like. Think going to a larger one will help??
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 06, 2013, 06:38:05 PM
Did you try some heat? Not to much! Steam from a tea kettle works ok sometimes. Careful with an alcohol torch if that don't.

The ferrule could be pinned. A lot of them were and finished to hide the pin so you have to look close. If so you will have to punch it out.

  Is the stripper nickel or agate? Nickel you could maybe polish to help. Larger can't hurt.

Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 07, 2013, 03:40:29 PM
The stripper is nickle, and REALLY small, but I may have an agate from a #14 Heddon (the "banty" rod). I'll look. Not sure if it is pinned, I'll take a close look at that too.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 09, 2013, 10:20:10 PM
Guides were sized for silk lines which are smaller in diameter for given line weight compared to plastic lines.
 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 10, 2013, 12:16:30 PM
Well I gave up. I can't get the thing to budge, so I re-wrapped the ferrule. The other stripper is huge compared to the one on the rod, so I'll wait till I get a better sized one.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 10, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
Send me what size you would like and I will try to help you out. I'm sure I can.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 11, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
I'm thinking 8 or 9 mm. (agate  :-)   :wink:) I'm not sure what a 5 wt rod actually needs? The one on the rod is tiny. Barely bigger than modern line. Even with silk line I still wonder why they used such small ones.  :???:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 11, 2013, 03:34:01 PM
Agate I would have to charge you. Mildrum or chrome could be a gift. :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 11, 2013, 05:59:32 PM
Your choice.   :thumbs:



 :hyper:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 12, 2013, 03:53:15 AM
PM me you info and I'll send you a vintage Mildrum NOS. They work great.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 21, 2013, 09:34:56 AM
Arrived. TY!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 23, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
cats, I'm rewrapping a 7'-0" 5wt Uslan. I don't know what size guides to get. Stripper, 7 guides and a tiptop. Can you help?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 24, 2013, 04:03:59 AM
Your looking for free guides?  I don't have any specs on Uslan's. Is it a pent? I have a bunch of English twist snakes I could let go for a conservative fee.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 25, 2013, 10:26:14 PM
LOL. No, I don't want free guides. I expect to pay market value for them!

Yes it is a pent, I am interested in the snakes.

This rod needs to be fished. I dropped it off with a rod maker in Durrango a few years back. He had a heart attack while helping his neighbor with a stuck car in the snow. Another builder took over his work and after a year told me he didn't have time to rewrap it.
So, it's been sitting round here for some time and I think it's finally time to fish it!

I'm just not sure on the guide
 sizes I need to get, any help would be appreciated. And if you have the guides, I would be happy to purchase them from you.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 26, 2013, 04:54:34 AM
I happen to build a 7' penta 4wt that cast very nice. Everyone who picks it up is impressed. That said I never tried the English twist guides on them. They are chrome and seem a bit squat compared to the snake brand I generally use. I have used them on a few 6' banty's with good results. They are very rare if you look, H&H no longer makes them. I picked up a bunch in a big lot of stuff I bought at a gathering years ago. I could send you a set of 8 snakes in the size I have that I think would do well on that rod. For the stripper and tip top you would be on your own. If you like them pay me what you think and if you don't send em back. We are all friends here right?

PM me if you like.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 27, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
PM sent.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 28, 2013, 07:45:53 AM
Package coming you way. I'll take that 85 Harley in trade! :-)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 03, 2013, 10:02:49 AM
Got another mid 60's JW Young Beaudex. $50 and it looks almost new. Love these reels. I think I have an addiction......... :o
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 29, 2013, 04:14:13 PM
UH OH Houston, I have a problem:


MOAR RODS!


A beat up Granger Special (barely visible in the pic), pre Wright and McGill. No guides on the butt section mid is meh and no tip. Reel seat has seen better days:



(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20130727_123954_zps7f3c7ad6.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20130727_123954_zps7f3c7ad6.jpg.html)

Unknown rod, but might be a Monty. Very dark flamed cane. It might be worth fixing up, but the female ferrules are both cracked. Looks like an 8 1/2 foot rod. The ferrules are not pinned.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20130728_101331_zps9ba86dbe.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20130728_101331_zps9ba86dbe.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20130728_101340_zps9ee018e3.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20130728_101340_zps9ee018e3.jpg.html)

I also got another butt section, a tip section (looks like a SB with Black Jasper wraps) and a Union Hardware rod with a busted tip..............................all for just under $50.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on July 29, 2013, 08:19:43 PM
I warned you! Ebay?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 30, 2013, 10:40:40 AM
I warned you! Ebay?



Nope, not Eprey. A local "Antique Mall".

Not sure what I want to do with the Granger, I'm thinking the cost of having a new tip sections made is cost prohibitive. I may sell, there are lots of rod restorers/collectors that may want good sections and what I have, other than missing parts, is in fair/good shape.

The second rod (dark) may be a Monty 'Highlander". not worth much, but since it's all "there". minus the ferules, it may turn into another project rod. I kinda like the dark cane.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on July 30, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
Ferrules are the worst fix you will encounter! A ton of issues there! If you decide your going to try. send me the old ones and I may be able to help you. I have a ton of vintage ferrules.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 31, 2013, 09:50:14 AM
Ferrules are the worst fix you will encounter! A ton of issues there! If you decide your going to try. send me the old ones and I may be able to help you. I have a ton of vintage ferrules.


PM me your info, I'll send them out.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on September 16, 2013, 11:41:12 PM
my sept trip to the Locsha is coming up. will be the 12 year in a row having fun with the westslope cuttys.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on September 17, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
my sept trip to the Locsha is coming up. will be the 12 year in a row having fun with the westslope cuttys.






 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on September 20, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
I lived I Colorado for 37 years, and never bothered to learn fly-fishing.
Just one of those regrets.
I admire what you're doing.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 02, 2013, 05:28:46 PM
Found a rod maker that'll make the tip sections for the Granger, they are even ammonia treated, for $75 ea.


Nice.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 04, 2013, 09:47:49 AM
Oh dear, look what followed me home:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0034_zpsb70c25d6.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0034_zpsb70c25d6.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0032_zps06e16fdd.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0032_zps06e16fdd.jpg.html)


Wright & McGill 8 1/2 ft. Stream and Lake. Needs some work........... but for $50    :hyper:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on October 04, 2013, 04:46:16 PM
Your done! How long before your looking for a planing form or a Morgan Mill?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on October 05, 2013, 11:45:04 PM
I picked up another John Channer built rod last week. It had been made for a friend of mine in MO, then sold to another friend in CO and last week brought to Idaho so I could try it. It worked for me! It is a 7'-6" 3wt, 2/2. This is the third Channer I have added to my quiver. Reading the serial # this rod was made in 2003. I fished it with a 4wt silk line and it handled wind , rain and 18" westslope cuttys quite well!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 07, 2013, 09:54:12 AM
I picked up another John Channer built rod last week. It had been made for a friend of mine in MO, then sold to another friend in CO and last week brought to Idaho so I could try it. It worked for me! It is a 7'-6" 3wt, 2/2. This is the third Channer I have added to my quiver. Reading the serial # this rod was made in 2003. I fished it with a 4wt silk line and it handled wind , rain and 18" westslope cuttys quite well!


Nice!


I now have a penchant for Granger rods, W&M's or by the man himself. Gonna see if a Granger Victory on CL is worth a shit or not.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 09, 2013, 10:54:27 AM
Quote
I now have a penchant for Granger rods, W&M's or by the man himself. Gonna see if a Granger Victory on CL is worth a shit or not.

Guess what? SCORE!


$50:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0008_zps846682fc.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0008_zps846682fc.jpg.html)



Looks like it's got the original bag, tube, and the rod is in very good condition. I couldn't hep myself.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 10, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
BTW, the Stream and Lake rod will probably get a re-finish and might turn into a gift for my daughter's boy friend. He's a really good kid.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 21, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
I took the Victory out fishing this past Saturday. Damn, damn, damn. Goodwin really knew what he was doing.
What a pleasure to fish and it's from 1937-38.   :)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on October 22, 2013, 07:52:30 AM
I took the Victory out fishing this past Saturday. Damn, damn, damn. Goodwin really knew what he was doing.
What a pleasure to fish and it's from 1937-38.   :)
I'm wondering how in the world does the rod maintain flexibility after that many years.
I know bamboo can do funny things. Just seems odd.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 22, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
I'm wondering how in the world does the rod maintain flexibility after that many years.
I know bamboo can do funny things. Just seems odd.


"Cane" rods are funny like that. They don't get brittle, though you would think they would.

Right now I'm reading Michael Sinclair's book, "Goodwin Granger, The rod man from Denver" One of the interesting things about Granger rods, the dry air in Denver kept the bamboo from shrinking after a rod was constructed. They were completely dry. None of Goodwins rod ferrules were ever pinned, a common practice among other rod builders of the day. His were pressed on and the NS (nickle silver) formed to fit the bamboo. To this day it is very rare to have a Granger ferrule come loose. Another good thing is the resistance to "set" (bends or kinks in the rod from use) the Granger rods have.  That's one of the reasons I can buy a rod from the late 30's and just take it out and fish it. Mine has a slight set to one tip (give the poor thing a break, it's 75 years old!), but it does not affect it's performance.
That cannot be said of the South Bend, Montague and Heddon rods I have.

BTW, Cats, this rod (it's a 6 wt, I use a DT floating line) can go from tossing a wet/dry 10-15 ft for close shots with delicacy to being a "cannon" for long casts. Amazing. It shows that Goodwin loved his "tournament" tapers and brought that to his "regular" rods.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on October 23, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
Thanks for the info.  I spent 37 years in Colo., and never took to fly fishing. I was more ultra-light spinning with 2 and 4 pound test.
I did try it. For some reason, I just couldn't master the technique. It takes some skill I'm not suited for.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on October 24, 2013, 04:32:06 AM
I don't get to handle many Granger rods. Seems availability is geographical. 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 24, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
I don't get to handle many Granger rods. Seems availability is geographical. 


Could be. They are quite "magical". Even the W&M era rods are very good. But they did maintain the tapers, except for the two piece rods that were designed by Phillipson.
 I am surprised that you don't see many, they (Granger and then Wright & McGill) made scads of the the lower grade rods, Specials, Victory's, Stream & Lake...etc..

Personally I prefer the pre-war rods.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on November 22, 2013, 06:42:41 AM
You mentioned in one of my posts that you were looking for a correct thread to complete a project.
I'm guessing that would be silk thread, of a certain color.
I figure you do more restoration rather than rebuild. Am I close?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on November 22, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
You mentioned in one of my posts that you were looking for a correct thread to complete a project.
I'm guessing that would be silk thread, of a certain color.
I figure you do more restoration rather than rebuild. Am I close?


Yup! However the Stream and Lake that I need to re-do used nylon thread. W&M were the ones that went to nylon.  The only issue is if I don't re-wrap the entire rod, it's tough to match the color. The thread is out there, I'm just still looking.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on November 22, 2013, 11:30:46 PM

Yup! However the Stream and Lake that I need to re-do used nylon thread. W&M were the ones that went to nylon.  The only issue is if I don't re-wrap the entire rod, it's tough to match the color. The thread is out there, I'm just still looking.
I would have thought silk, so I'm a bit surprised.
By "re-wrap", are you speaking of strictly ferrules or additional parts of the rod?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on November 24, 2013, 01:05:44 PM
I would have thought silk, so I'm a bit surprised.
By "re-wrap", are you speaking of strictly ferrules or additional parts of the rod?


Usually a strip-down, re varnish and new guides/wrappings. The ferrules (reel seats almost always come loose, so they get done) are un-possible to replace, so if they come loose, I re glue them.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on November 25, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
I know it's a pain, but, a picture now and then of progress would be nice to see.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 17, 2013, 12:25:41 PM
Hummmm, looking at a pre-war Granger Premier...........next to the highest grade in the line up....but it's a "blue collar" IE: only has one tip that's 1 1/2" short, no bag, no tube, not a "collectible" rod.. Still.....

Skul, I have the week of and after Christmas off, I'm going to try and get the Granger Stream and Lake done. I'll post pics.


Owner won't budge off the asking, dammit.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on December 17, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
If you do try for pix, use a light or medium gray background.
That might accent the rod color and detail a little better.

By missing part of the one tip, I presume it's the very end.
Maybe the seller will get tired of sitting on it after a few months, and come down to earth.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 18, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
If you do try for pix, use a light or medium gray background.
That might accent the rod color and detail a little better.

By missing part of the one tip, I presume it's the very end.
Maybe the seller will get tired of sitting on it after a few months, and come down to earth.


Donno, he's stuck on "the reel seat is worth XXX so I want 50 bucks too much for it" 
 Ya, if a tip section is "down' it means it was probably broken off and a new tip-top applied. I offered $100 for it, more than I've ever paid for any Granger. The others I got were either complete with original bag and tube or in good enough shape that I didn't mind shelling out $50 for them. This one is pretty rough, but it is a somewhat rare (production numbers) model. This is the second time it's been up for sale.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on December 18, 2013, 09:00:02 PM
Went down to the river today to see what shape it was in. Anchor ice along the edges and low flows. I could tie on a GRHEN and fish for white fish or drive an hour this weekend to a spring creek with rising trout.

Rising trout it is!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on December 18, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
Went down to the river today to see what shape it was in. Anchor ice along the edges and low flows. I could tie on a GRHEN and fish for white fish or drive an hour this weekend to a spring creek with rising trout.

Rising trout it is!
I can go ice fishing for crappie
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on December 18, 2013, 11:29:18 PM

Donno, he's stuck on "the reel seat is worth XXX so I want 50 bucks too much for it" 
 Ya, if a tip section is "down' it means it was probably broken off and a new tip-top applied. I offered $100 for it, more than I've ever paid for any Granger. The others I got were either complete with original bag and tube or in good enough shape that I didn't mind shelling out $50 for them. This one is pretty rough, but it is a somewhat rare (production numbers) model. This is the second time it's been up for sale.
$100 is a fair offer for almost any broken rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 19, 2013, 01:49:56 PM
$100 is a fair offer for almost any broken rod.

Well, it's still for sale, we'll see..........


Oh, it doesn't have the correct wraps either.    :whatever:

Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on December 21, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
You went and bought it, didn't you?
Let's see the photos.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 24, 2013, 12:02:59 AM
You went and bought it, didn't you?
Let's see the photos.


Nope, I won't budge from $100.

It's worth restoring, but not at $150.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on December 26, 2013, 02:06:24 AM
I thought for sure you jumped at it.
There will be another.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 29, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
I thought for sure you jumped at it.
There will be another.


It's not like I don't have enough of the damn things.  "D

Went fishing yesterday. Highs in the upper 60's. Damn, it was nice. This 'Climate Change" stuff is horrible.           :hyper:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 13, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
Tieing flys this evening. Weather is way too warm. No snow on the ground. Spring fishing is gonna be fantastic with drys!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 14, 2014, 09:33:40 AM
We've been getting a good hatch of BWO's on the Feather River. If I have the time* I'll probably go fishing this weekend. This weather is weird, but with a rooted high over Cali, not un-expected.













*got relatives coming out from Floriduh and staying for a couple of days.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 14, 2014, 12:07:57 PM
I know it's a pain, but, a picture now and then of progress would be nice to see.


I'll try to get pics up, I just ordered YLI #004 thread for the rod. I gave up on the "correct" nylon thread (Gudebrod 326/ not made any more) and went with a very close color match in a silk thread. I'll probably end up re-doing the entire rod. Considering both tips are "down" I might as well.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 27, 2014, 11:26:50 PM
We've been getting a good hatch of BWO's on the Feather River. If I have the time* I'll probably go fishing this weekend. This weather is weird, but with a rooted high over Cali, not un-expected.



I'm tieing bwos now, what size you get ?









*got relatives coming out from Floriduh and staying for a couple of days.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 28, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
#14's and 16's. Had no time this past weekend, but I should this weekend. I'll probably start on the Granger restoration also.


Oh, speaking of tying flies, this will crack you up. Yes, fly tiers/fishermen are this crazy.



http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=73747
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 29, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
 :rofl: nice link to a great site.

I may have a few extra bwos tied..
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 03, 2014, 09:30:50 AM
I got  the rod stripped down (used Citri-strip) and Spar-Varnished. The tips (to the right) I'll probably leave alone. They look good enough to just touch up. It'll be a couple of days before the varnish is dried enough to re-wrap the butt and mid sections.


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0039_zpsb5b350fb.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0039_zpsb5b350fb.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 16, 2014, 04:55:07 PM
Got the rod done. A couple of closeups of the results:





(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0040_zps85313f19.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0040_zps85313f19.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0041_zps2387aecb.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0041_zps2387aecb.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0042_zps297e3d60.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0042_zps297e3d60.jpg.html)


Luckily I was able to preserve the script on the butt section of the rod. I was also able to match up the wrap color very well. In the middle pic, (bottom pic is, right to left, butt, mid, tips) the wrap that's just above the cork handle is original. The section just above it, the "mid" is completely re-done with new wraps and snake guides. The tips, at the very top of the pic were just left alone and had a coat of varnish put on. Top pic shows the upper portions of the rod where I had to re-wrap the stripper guide, ferrule, and mid ferrule/guides. It also shows where the tips are "down" (short) about 2" from breakage. It's doubtful that that will effect the fish-ability of the rod. Can't wait to fish it!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 16, 2014, 07:08:43 PM
Looks good!  :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on February 16, 2014, 09:50:08 PM
Great!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 17, 2014, 04:10:58 AM
I have been working on a strange old rod I cannot identify. It has a weird Bakelite twist lock reel seat with nickel hardware and nice nickel ferrules (the reason I choose it for restoration) I has very dark cane that was delaminated so I had to reglue it. I'll get photos up when I get time, maybe you can identify it.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 17, 2014, 09:51:48 AM
Make sure you get good pics of the seat, ferrules and the winding check, if it's still there.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 17, 2014, 07:59:55 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5655_zpsb95361f6.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5656_zpscbb9b107.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5653_zpscf600884.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5652_zpsb454e5a1.jpg)

Its an 8 1/2 ft 3 piece with a nice little swell at the butt. I can't find anything on it and have never seen anything like it.  It was wrapped in orange and black jasper.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 18, 2014, 09:21:49 AM
The winding check reminds me of a Monty, but the ferrules........ :???:


Maybe not quite so close, better focus. The reel seat, that's a sliding band? Down locking? Any hall/alignment marks on the ferrules, and are they pinned? Any intermediates left?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 18, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Cats, got you an answer:


Quote
You have an early Montague Manitou from the late 1920's to early 30's. This Landman style twist locking reel seat was used on the first generation of Manitous, along with those Landman style hand welted ferrules. These welts tend to look like a rolled welt, but they are actually a half moon shaped piece soldered on. These often had an ornately knurled butt cap to match the sliding band. Though the reel seats changed over the years, the typical Manitou sported those Landman style ferrules throughout their production history.

Most of these early Manitous were heat treated, which gave them a rich, dark look to the cane.

The 8 1/2 footer is somewhat rare. Nice find!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 18, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
Where did you find that? I new it was old as most of the rods from that era had glue problems.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 18, 2014, 04:14:55 PM
Trying to take photos in my shop is not easy. I have 5 ft of snow outside so F that!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 18, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
Where did you find that? I new it was old as most of the rods from that era had glue problems.

I, ummmm, stole your pics.   O-)

I was pretty sure that was a Monty, but the ferrules threw me off, but who I asked.

PM sent
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on February 19, 2014, 07:29:54 AM
That's kind of a neat rod.
OK you specialists.  What kind of cement is used to repair those things?
I would imagine it would have to maintain some flexability.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 19, 2014, 09:37:13 AM
Ask and ye shall receive:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on February 19, 2014, 01:06:24 PM
Ask and ye shall receive:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resorcinol_glue
make sense now.
Should  have known.  It's also used for wing spar build-up and repairs.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 20, 2014, 03:31:24 AM
I use heat set Epon epoxy.  It allows you to straighten the section and then set it in the oven. I think most makers are using it these days.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on February 20, 2014, 09:44:04 AM
I use heat set Epon epoxy.  It allows you to straighten the section and then set it in the oven. I think most makers are using it these days.
That drags up a bunch of other questions.
I better not clutter Wineslobs thread with them.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 23, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Now you got me working. I got the butt section wrapped and thread coated with my secret special concoction. Not sure if I want to dip or brush coat the wraps yet. I am no good at matching colors as I despise using color preserver. I feel it weakens the build. That thread started out tan and purple silk! Now it is what it is and it wont fall apart when fishing as it may if I used preserver. 
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5657_zps0e98f0f2.jpg)
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/catsmtrods/IMG_5659_zps4f56de4d.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 24, 2014, 10:17:19 AM
Wow, nice.     :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 26, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
We had really nice weather this past weekend, so I took the W&M out for my first spin. Got one nice lil' Rainbow.


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/0031_zps2ff662d5.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/0031_zps2ff662d5.jpg.html)


Ya, ya, the rod is "backwards" but I didn't want the little guy out of the water any longer than I had to to get the pic.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on February 26, 2014, 05:54:09 PM
Damn you are so lucky to  live where green things are this time of year! I must wait! I just noticed a few buds on the trees outside my windows. The snow is still knee deep and now hard as to walk on top. The last time I went fishing on April 1st I got frozen to rock! Yeah I had on waders and sat on a rock to tie and got stuck!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on February 27, 2014, 09:20:38 AM
Heh, all the trees are blooming, the willows along the river were starting to leaf out and there were butterflies all over the place. It was nice.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/0041_zps0dbe520b.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/0041_zps0dbe520b.jpg.html)



Ya, I was using a "bobber" but this river kinda requires it.

As you can see it's not all green just yet.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on February 27, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
I've used casting bobbers with my ultra-light spinning gear.
Caught my first Grayling doing that.
If I recall correctly, that lake also produced the record Golden Trout.
My younger brother caught one of those at a different lake one time.
Unbelievably beautiful fish.

Kelly Lake, Colorado.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 12, 2014, 08:14:16 PM
Heading out Friday morning for a 4 day weekend on the Metolius river in Oregon. Should be fun, it dosent give up it's fish with ease!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 13, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
Oh, Cats, BTW, when you try out that rod (after the freeze    :tongue:  ) I've found that Rio Gold works very well with the old school agate stripper guide(s). I bought some last month and it was on sale for, I think, $37.50 which is a good deal.  at Cabela's (.com) The stuff is really slick, floats like crazy and casts like a dream. I think that Monty will be roughly a 4 wt.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 13, 2014, 06:38:03 PM
Oh, Cats, BTW, when you try out that rod (after the freeze    :tongue:  ) I've found that Rio Gold works very well with the old school agate stripper guide(s). I bought some last month and it was on sale for, I think, $37.50 which is a good deal.  at Cabela's (.com) The stuff is really slick, floats like crazy and casts like a dream. I think that Monty will be roughly a 4 wt.

4wt is what I thought. I have some Cortland sylk I will try.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Skul on March 13, 2014, 10:17:50 PM
What is the major determining factor for line weight?
Does weather or other conditions influence the choice?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: freedumb2003b on March 13, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
"Old fly rod."

Crap, I thought you all dedicated an entire thread to my ex-wife!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 14, 2014, 09:35:50 AM
"Old fly rod."

Crap, I thought you all dedicated an entire thread to my ex-wife!



 :thatsright:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 14, 2014, 10:01:14 AM
What is the major determining factor for line weight?
Does weather or other conditions influence the choice?


It's the "action" of the rod. Usually determined by the diameter of the sections and "taper" of the same, but not length. Many bamboo rods are specified in weights. The rod in the pics above (mine) is a 4.2 oz. rod. That's how the old Grangers and Wright and Mcgill's (and many others) were sized. So mine is a W&M Stream and Lake 8642. the 86 being 8 feet six inches and weighing 4.2 oz. That corresponded to a line weight of HEH (the old designation) or in today's system a 5 weight. The H's showing that the rod was designed for a Double Taper line and the weight being "E".

The funny thing with Grangers and W&M's is there was no line size specified, just the the oz. of the rods. Also all Grangers and W&M (same thing) were the same tapers. So all 8642 or say 9050 (the Victory I posted about) rods were the same. The only difference being the "quality" of the bamboo, number of decorative wraps (intermediates) and the number of guides (more for the better ones) witch was the model/grade name. The rod I pictured was the lowest "quality" on the model/grade scale, but still had the same taper/action as the most expensive model within that specific length. Yes it does lead to some confusion as compared to other makers during those times.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_rod_tapers
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 19, 2014, 12:16:23 PM
Cats, been able to try that rod yet? The weather this past weekend was GLORIOUS. Got a bunch of dinks, and a few bigger Bow's in the 14"-15" range. They were taking a Black Stone Fly down deep.


 O-)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 19, 2014, 03:29:21 PM
Hell no I'm still buried in snow and ice. Soon the streams will be flooded with muddy runoff!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 19, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Snow.....................ice......................what is that?




  :tongue:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on April 02, 2014, 01:19:06 AM
Spring!  Big skwala drys and bwos!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 02, 2014, 09:26:05 AM
It's been dumping here. We actually got that snow and ice stuff.  :panic:  Supposed to get back into the 70's by this weekend, we'll see...........
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on April 02, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Went to a gun rights rally!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 02, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
I saw that!

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on May 22, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
I am now waiting for a 8 1/2 foot H-I Chancellor ( I also picked up a Black River that needs very little work). Picked it up for $40, needs resto, but it was Horrocks-Ibbotson's near top-of-the-line rod so worth fixing up. I might keep it around for my daughter.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 09, 2014, 03:39:18 PM
Got the Chancellor here. Nice rod, and it's not one of the steel cored rods. H-I made some of there rods with a thin steel core and many complained that they were too stiff, no action.

This is not one of those:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0034_zps1a0f3117.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0034_zps1a0f3117.jpg.html)

As can be seen the varnish is waaaaay too heavy. Looks like someone with good wrapping skills did a "resto" on the rod, but got over-zealous with the varnish. It's so thick the shine makes it look like some is missing in the photo's. It's not. The wraps are supposed to be and antique gold, so I'll have to fix that.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0033_zps115266c1.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0033_zps115266c1.jpg.html)
Interestingly enough, these rods were "impregnated" with a resin. If you are familiar with Orvis it's the same technique. The idea being no varnish required. It's one of the reasons Orvis bamboo rods still look good and fish well 50 years (and more) later.
Many think the reason H-I did varnish impregnated rods was not wanting to "rock the boat" with customers who expected that from them.
 
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0032_zpsef100483.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0032_zpsef100483.jpg.html)

I believe that this rod, in the early 50's, retailed for $40, allot for those days, but it was one of the top models quality-wise. It'll be a good substitute for my Granger, which has more vale.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 12, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
That bakelite reel seat is from the early 50's
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 16, 2014, 10:55:42 AM
Ya, it was "standard issue" for the higher quality rods. Just got back yesterday from a backpacking trip. Tons-o-fun. No fly fishing though, the Rainbows weren't cooperating.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 24, 2014, 01:21:35 AM
Had a work day at my Dads cabin. After 5 hours of work, 20 min on the river. caught a fish for my 88yo dad and one for his wife. They had a nice breakfast!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 10, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
Going to look at another Granger  8642 "Special".  Probably this Friday........    :panic:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on July 11, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
The wife asked me how many fly rods I needed. I replied: same as guitars, one more then I have.....
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: ranger75 on July 12, 2014, 03:01:36 AM
Cats, ty and gorgeous fly rods!

I've never done the dipping process, so I'll have to look that up. 

 :cheersmate:
Your website is now bookmarked.
Love that little 7ft 4 wt.    :drool:

Ditto. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 21, 2014, 01:37:36 PM
I picked up the Granger and what, from all the evidence, looks to be a late 20's early 30's Montague.

The Granger has full varnish "melt down" but all the wraps are intact, all sections are full length. I've been able to remove the varnish, and preserve the wraps. It should spruce up very nicely.

The Monty, will take a full strip down. There's tons of intermediates and the color of the thread isn't easy to ascertain.  Looks like red and maybe green. Hard to tell.

At this rate I'll have to pick up Sinclair's "Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook"............. :panic:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on July 22, 2014, 05:20:30 AM
The intermediates indicate age as back in the day they didn't have faith in the glue.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 22, 2014, 05:18:01 PM
The intermediates indicate age as back in the day they didn't have faith in the glue.

Pretty much what I found. Not sure when most of the big makers quit using them, hence my guess at the year.

It came with a neat old form case. All the sections are full length, fairly rare for it's age, same with the Granger.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: zeitgeist on August 05, 2014, 05:40:51 PM
OK,  I ran across this post which caused me to look at what was in the rafters of the garage.  Years ago I brought a couple rods, reel, net, and, creel from my mothers after she passed.  They had been my dads and probably date to the 1920 era.  They look like bamboo, three piece and look to be about nine feet when put together.  One has the place for the reel at the back of the handle and is the lighter of the two, the other has the place for the reel in the middle handle.  The reel says Laurentian No. 2,  Dry Fly Reel,  Lawson Machine Works, Montreal Canada. 

I will try and take a few pictures but we have a t-storm moving in at the moment.    Any ideas?  The smaller one was in a very old cotton sleeve.  The other one has a bit of the tip missing.  Both are missing eyelets which may or may not be in the rafters....They been there 21 years.

Here comes the thunder ... there go the dogs!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 05, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Take good, clear, close ups. Show the whole reel seat, handle and the winding check (where the rod meets the cork) from different angles so details can be seen. Same with shots of the ferrules. Any stampings?

Sounds like one of them is a casting rod.

The reel is a good, solid, one but very simple. Known to be loud (clicker)


Oh, this is for Cats. The tip of the Granger, from slightly below the tip-top to a little above the first guide is missing one strip of bamboo. Looks like damage from a hook ding. However, the tip seems fine, with gentle flexing. Suggestions? Invisible wrap? Or????
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: zeitgeist on August 05, 2014, 06:11:59 PM
Take good, clear, close ups. Show the whole reel seat, handle and the winding check (where the rod meets the cork) from different angles so details can be seen. Same with shots of the ferrules. Any stampings?

Sounds like one of them is a casting rod.

The reel is a good, solid, one but very simple. Known to be loud (clicker)

Yes,  it is when you switch it to drag.  Otherwise it is very quite.  The switcher is a bit stiff to operate so I quit playing with it for now.  Damn we are getting a good soaking.  And the beagle soaked the bathroom rug.   :argh:  Oh well that is the price you pay for having animals.  Got to go clean it up.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: zeitgeist on August 05, 2014, 09:38:47 PM
Let's see how I did:
Larger middle rod is first.  I figured out pretty quick that the pool table cover was not good contrast.

(http://s28.postimg.org/6mgkcn4od/DSCF5140.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/6ve52khgt/DSCF5142.jpg)
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(http://s28.postimg.org/r0cals0od/DSCF5145.jpg)
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(http://s28.postimg.org/7wedroygd/DSCF5149.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/ehvp573ot/DSCF5150.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/q1vxjhncd/DSCF5151.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/57jl1nsz1/DSCF5152.jpg)
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(http://s28.postimg.org/ao7at5sod/DSCF5162.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/s5beo9tgt/DSCF5163.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/jplu6rqlp/DSCF5166.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/bituf70j1/DSCF5168.jpg)
(http://s28.postimg.org/4jfsfu0kt/DSCF5169.jpg)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 06, 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Both rods look like Montague/Chubb, probably from the mid 20's to early 30's. The "tells' are the non serrated ferrules, reel seats, sheet cork handles and winding check.

The bigger rod is a boat rod, most likely.

The other is, of course, a plain old fly rod. Hard to tell on the fly rod what model, but the particular kind of seat can be ID'd and dated.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: zeitgeist on August 06, 2014, 04:41:23 PM
Both rods look like Montague/Chubb, probably from the mid 20's to early 30's. The "tells' are the non serrated ferrules, reel seats, sheet cork handles and winding check.

The bigger rod is a boat rod, most likely.

The other is, of course, a plain old fly rod. Hard to tell on the fly rod what model, but the particular kind of seat can be ID'd and dated.

The "fly rod' has a very light tip. I was amazed when I looked at it again after all these years.  But, I think it may be missing a metal piece which holds it together.  I will have to look in the overhead someday when the 'Cuda is outside and it is a bit cooler in there to see what else may be there.

Any idea if this was some kind of kit or something bought piecemeal?  Also what are reutilization recommendations.  I have a large plate full of projects and a very small spoon so it is not something I am going to get too excited about doing.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 06, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Nope, not bought bought piecemeal. The ferrules are the "improved" units sans a serrated bottom. The reel seat is Monty/Chubb, the color scheme looks like red/black w/lots of intermediates. The winding check is correct. All this points to Monty/Chubb at the time when Montague bought Chubb and incorporated parts on the rods. It would be a good candidate for resto, and may fish quite well.

You can measure the ferrules with a drill bit(s). Whatever size fits into a female section (butt/mid) will help determine the weight of the rod. It should be in 64's" or converted to.  A 6 wt rod 8.5 feet long might be say, 18/64 butt section and the mid 12/64's. If smaller, lighter weight rod, but it depends on how much smaller.

I'll post good pics of the one I picked up, they are VERY similar.

What length is the rod or just measure one of the sections that looks full length. I'll guess at 8.5 feet (34.5" sections)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 08, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
Similarities:


Same winding check:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/003_zpscf63833c.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/003_zpscf63833c.jpg.html)


Same ferrules:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/008_zps6ce4a972.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/008_zps6ce4a972.jpg.html)


Different reel seat, I think yours is an actual Montague not a mix of the two companies. There may be, but not always, an "M" on the seat or it might be stamped Montague.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/001_zpsa455f324.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/001_zpsa455f324.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: zeitgeist on August 08, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
The fly rod does indeed say Montague on the reel holder. I got a moment to look in the overhead and did not find the missing lug nor other parts.  The boat rod didn't have any markings I could see.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on August 08, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
I doubt the boat rod is worth restoring. The Monty is probably not either, I think I have a few of those?  Maybe the tips and mids for 6' small stream rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 08, 2014, 05:21:46 PM
The one I showed pics of I picked up for $40. Just for "shits and giggles" I'll restore it, or, in other words, make it fishable. It doesn't have any major damage or missing parts so I'll use it for practice.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 26, 2014, 03:48:59 PM
I decided to make the rod a wall hanger. It looks good on the wall.  I'll probably be sending out the tip section (Granger)to a maker I know, he'll scarf the tip for $50 and make a complete"matching" tip section for a bit more.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/IMG_0033_zpsf599e8ba.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/IMG_0033_zpsf599e8ba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on December 26, 2014, 05:20:22 PM
Your house looks very similar to mine!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 31, 2014, 03:04:28 PM
Your house looks very similar to mine!

"Special" minds think alike?


 :-)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: obumazombie on March 02, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
I would love to see a Catskill Mountain fly Rod catch a big catfish...

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015/03/01/i-once-caught-a-fish-this-big-italian-catches-280-pound-catfish/ (http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2015/03/01/i-once-caught-a-fish-this-big-italian-catches-280-pound-catfish/)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/02/Catfish-Italy-640x480.jpg)

I once heard a story (which I love and therefore hope is true) that a recovery diver working the Kenlake dam felt a presence that formed on the edge of the murky water of the mouth of a channel cat big enough to swallow him.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 02, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
I know of triple built bamboo rods that caught marlin bigger than that! Believe it or not. There was a time when all fishing rods were bamboo.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: obumazombie on March 02, 2015, 09:02:35 PM
You gotta admit...300 pounds is a big cat.
Not an underground subway cat mind you, but a big cat nonetheless.
Even in the Catskill Mountains that's a big cat !
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 02, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
catsmtrods, the guides are still sitting here, unused. Between fishing and moving two households I havent had time to wrap rods. Maybe next winter!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on March 03, 2015, 06:59:55 AM
Yeah this winter is killing me working for an oil co! The monty has been sitting in my shop 90% finished. I think when this is finally over I'm going fishing.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on July 19, 2015, 11:05:25 PM
Fished today with a Taylor quad, great rod. Even better with a fish on!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 08, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
Fished today with a Taylor quad, great rod. Even better with a fish on!

Sorry I haven't "been here" for awhile. New-ish job and got put on graveyard shift.  :yawn:
Is the Taylor based on a Edwards?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 20, 2015, 12:19:21 AM
I'm not sure what the Taylor is based upon. It throws a nice look with a med action and plays a fish with ease. I also have a Kusse 7.5ft 5wt quad with one more guide on it..  it handles a tiny bit better, but the Taylor is the one that gets fished.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on September 19, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
I bought, don't shoot me, a Chinese bamboo (Tonkin) flamed blank based on a T&T Caenis taper. It's a 3 wt 7.5' 2/2 for $140 shipped /w ferrules (NS). 

I got for fishing the West Branch Feather River (near me). I should post pics of the river. It has got to be one of the most beautiful rivers in the world.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on September 19, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
I wanna shoot you! This is the reason I'm not retired!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 02, 2015, 01:34:51 PM
Sorry Cats, but I got the rod this week, it's pretty nice. Ya, Chinese labor is a good thing........ I know it would be nice to support USA makers, but I can't afford it. Even at "blank" prices it would be 3X's what this rod cost me.  :(


What I want the rod for: 

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/11872015_10152895165150938_8427235784707968342_o_zpsupw2vnoh.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/11872015_10152895165150938_8427235784707968342_o_zpsupw2vnoh.jpg.html)

West Branch of the Feather River. It's perfect for a 3 wt rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on October 30, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
cats, you still making shavings?
Wine, how has that import done for the past year?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on October 31, 2016, 04:51:20 AM
cats, you still making shavings?
Wine, how has that import done for the past year?

No I have taken to rebuilding old. Just not worth the time and trouble not to mention the cost of cane. That and I can't see anymore. Making some banty's and biding my time till retirement so I can move out of this La La land. 3 years to go. Hope the country last that long.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on November 14, 2016, 11:39:12 PM
Looks like we will survive!

I've done a few bantys,they always seem to end up a 6wt!

I have a couple more years then you
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on November 21, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
cats, you still making shavings?
Wine, how has that import done for the past year?


Quite well. No issues other than me taking a fall and breaking one of the tips. It really is a nice casting rod.


Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on December 04, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
how do you go about getting that tip section repaired? I have only needed repair services on a boo once, it was a American maker and had a few builders that were happy to fix.7
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 13, 2016, 12:50:24 PM
Lots of bamboo rod makers will scarf a tip back to original length.

Try Classicflyrodforum.

I might have this one done  but it'll probably cost nearly as much as the blank did.  Hell, Cats can probably do it.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on December 28, 2016, 10:03:46 PM
They have a single tip special for under 300 till the end of the year. I might try one at that price.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on January 11, 2017, 02:14:55 PM
  Picked this up at a local pawn shop. It's a 1926 (from the ser. # E 1511) Hardy sold by the B H Dyas Co.  in L.A. They went out of business in the 30's I believe.

7' 4" 3/2 sliding band cork grip/seat in pretty good shape. Should be a 3-4 wt. The rod is quite small, should be fun on a small stream.


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170111_115909_zpssrouvomn.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170111_115909_zpssrouvomn.jpg.html)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170107_143936_zpskkxo3qdf.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170107_143936_zpskkxo3qdf.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170111_115853_zpsujmbsmfd.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170111_115853_zpsujmbsmfd.jpg.html)

My hand for scale:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170111_115929_zpswvf5gkft.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170111_115929_zpswvf5gkft.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on January 11, 2017, 03:33:06 PM
Two full tips? Look like nice ferrules. Have to re do?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on January 21, 2017, 11:04:36 PM
Wine- that looks sweet!  Keep us informed on the redo on it.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 01, 2017, 11:09:43 PM
18" of snow still on the ground. Melting at a glacier rate in my opinion. I look forward to the days of complaining I'm too hot.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 02, 2017, 01:15:07 PM
We have the same "problem" with snow here, Wayyyyyyy too much. It will, however, make for a fantastic fishing season.

Got the little Hardy finished up. From all accounts it might be a Marvel, first year, or a Princess model.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170301_115410_zpscuasilsj.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170301_115410_zpscuasilsj.jpg.html)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170301_115334_zpsgib0stpf.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170301_115334_zpsgib0stpf.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170301_115351_zps5cufxfl7.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170301_115351_zps5cufxfl7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 13, 2017, 10:59:05 PM
Sweet resto a nice rod!  I can see that stick fishing the St Joe for West Slope Cuttys.

Great work!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 24, 2017, 01:13:23 PM
I picked up a Sylk line for it, WF3F. Damn, if this IS a Marvel, I can understand why they were so popular. Casts like a dream. It'll be an awesome dry fly caster. Still raining here, COME ON SPRING!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on April 12, 2017, 11:31:31 PM
Still waiting for springs arrival. Rivers are flooding. Squallas were a no show.
That marvel like a sweet stick!
I have a few Sylk lines, they cast just fine. Also have a couple silk lines... wow!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on April 24, 2017, 11:07:15 PM
suffering from lack of fishingitis.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on May 04, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
I took the Hardy out this past weekend. The river was "blown out" (too high) but I still tried. Nice casting rod, almost parabolic.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on May 07, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
Annnnd   another rod!

Early 70's late 60's Phillipson glass . 6 1/2' 2/1 5 wt. Looks like it's new.

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170506_142507_zpsftavvqxw.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170506_142507_zpsftavvqxw.jpg.html)


(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170506_142411_zpscksryuny.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170506_142411_zpscksryuny.jpg.html)

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k179/Apogeespeaker/20170506_142441_zpsztjahgme.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/Apogeespeaker/media/20170506_142441_zpsztjahgme.jpg.html)


I lawn cast it yesterday. Being as short as it is, it takes a getting used to. Nice rod and a "cannon".
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 13, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Picked up a little "gem" at a Antique Mall.

(http://i.imgur.com/d51nuEV.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/d51nuEV)

(http://i.imgur.com/mIdbJk2.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/mIdbJk2)

(http://i.imgur.com/b8FVbiY.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/b8FVbiY)


No identifying marks other than 'Made in England". Best guess is it's a Heaton from the 1920's - 30's, judging from the ivory handle. Balances the Hardy rod I posted about, very nicely.


Only paid 18 bucks for it.   :hyper:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: thundley4 on August 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
Picked up a little "gem" at a Antique Mall.

(http://i.imgur.com/d51nuEV.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/d51nuEV)

(http://i.imgur.com/mIdbJk2.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/mIdbJk2)

(http://i.imgur.com/b8FVbiY.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/b8FVbiY)


No identifying marks other than 'Made in England". Best guess is it's a Heaton from the 1920's - 30's, judging from the ivory handle. Balances the Hardy rod I posted about, very nicely.


Only paid 18 bucks for it.   :hyper:

Isn't trade in ivory illegal? 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 15, 2017, 01:48:00 PM
It's a "bone" handle................. :-)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 22, 2017, 01:47:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DmNnurq.jpg?2)

(http://i.imgur.com/vxl3a96.jpg?1)

Took the Hardy rod and the Heaton reel out for a trip this past weekend. It's a very nice combo.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 22, 2017, 11:30:46 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: thundley4 on August 23, 2017, 07:14:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DmNnurq.jpg?2)

Took the Hardy rod and the Heaton reel out for a trip this past weekend. It's a very nice combo.
That's a pretty big baitfish, what were you fishing for?   :whistling:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 23, 2017, 02:16:51 PM
 :hammer:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: thundley4 on August 23, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
:hammer:

I've caught a largemouth bass about that size on a 3 1/2" Rapala. The bass was just a little longer.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 27, 2017, 02:00:19 PM
I took the Jeep up into the High Lakes. This is the "staircase" with a shot showing the guys behind me after I went through coming back out. He has more tire (35's  to my 33"s) and ground clearance.

(http://i.imgur.com/hcCZb62.jpg?1)

Going in was tougher. Here is where I wanted to get to (and did):

(http://i.imgur.com/Wo8nzzy.jpg?1)

Campbell Lake. Usually I catch very nice sized Brookies here, but today they weren't cooperating. It was still nice just to be there.





Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on November 28, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Wbjldyl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WYT7clW.jpg?1)

Picked up a South Bend 290 7 1/2' 6 wt. and a "Challenger" 9 ft. 6 wt.  The Challenger is a "trade rod" made by Wright & McGill  who also made Granger rods. It's the same as a Granger 9050, but made from lesser cosmetic quality bamboo than the Granger rods. It was a way for them (W&M) to sell rods made from bamboo clums that would have been destroyed normally, and not use the Granger name.

No pics of the Challenger yet, it's in the middle of being restored.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on December 10, 2017, 11:14:34 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 21, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
Here's the Challenger rod, bottom, and probably from the early 50's, next to a Granger (top) from the mid 1930's:

(https://i.imgur.com/rvYI9dE.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/GcewmfU.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/fsR14Bj.jpg?1)


Even after 20 years + the similarities are obvious.

The top rod is a shorter rod and has a slightly different cork handle, but still what's called a Reverse Wells.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on March 16, 2018, 11:48:14 PM
I just picked up a Channer  7' 4wt 2pc 2 tip. Same taper as the 7'-6" rod I have from the same maker. It will get fished a lot.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 21, 2018, 02:15:54 PM
Sweet!  I still have to finish the rods plus another Granger I picked up. It's a Special. A model I've been looking for for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on April 18, 2018, 11:23:39 PM
I need to go fishing. Lakes open up here this month. A couple rivers in ID that are open. I just need to fish!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 19, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
Same here, but everything is still too high. I'll keep checking Dream Flows............
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on April 20, 2018, 03:15:09 AM
 :banghead: Still snowing every day here! Still busy at work with no heat calls! Damn global warming
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on April 22, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
I'm finishing up the Challenger rod, can't wait to use it on the North Fork of the Feather River. It feels like a 5-6 wt. Lighter than my Granger 9050  but a tad heavier than the 8642. Should be interesting to see once I finish wrapping and polishing it up.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on June 04, 2018, 12:06:49 PM
I fished the North Fork of the Feather River this past Saturday. Got a few nice Rainbows.

(https://i.imgur.com/m3qBUWy.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/V46S2bv.jpg?1)


I haven't finished the Challenger rod yet  so I used a Granger.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on June 04, 2018, 11:11:11 PM
Nice fish! And fun looking pocket water. Our rivers here are still running high.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on June 05, 2018, 04:01:23 AM
Nice looking water and fish.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 13, 2018, 12:57:54 PM
While on a trip last month to Washington State the wife and I went to a couple of Antique shops. In one I found this rod:

(https://i.imgur.com/tQpcLbs.jpg?2)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZI0gOlp.jpg)  (srry about the out of focus)

It's a 1930's Edwards "Bristol" F5 . All sections are full length. Casts a 5 wt. line beautifully. The F stands for "fly" and the 5 was the cost in dollars.... in the 30's!  I'm at the point where I'll start rubbing out the varnish, and it'll be ready to fish.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: catsmtrods on July 14, 2018, 04:48:40 AM
Nice find! Stuff like that are rare as hens teeth around here.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 14, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
Nice find! Stuff like that are rare as hens teeth around here.

Same here. I've been looking for ANY Edwards rods out here, (West Coast) for years. This is the first one . Then I get home from the vacation and find an Edwards F 18, but it's in pretty bad shape. Passed on it.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 01, 2018, 11:17:09 PM
Great find! The Edwards rods are not too common in the NW.

I got out on the St Joe for a few days, hot weather and river temps left the fishing to early mornings. Did quite well considering the conditions!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 02, 2018, 02:01:22 PM
NICE!  It's gotten too hot here, even above 6000 ft. I'll probably fish Butt Valley Res. BIG rainbows and Browns. The fish are just done spawning and are hungry......... :hyper:




Yes  it's Butt, the cartographer, around the turn of the century either 1, made a mistake leaving off the "e" or 2, was a smart ass.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 28, 2018, 11:20:45 PM
My fishing has slowed the last couple years. I bought acreage that needs a bit of work. I keep telling my wife that I have to retire early to get the chores done around here so I can go fishing all the time when I turn 65. That said, I still do my week long trip to a couple rivers in north Idaho that have beautiful west slope cuttys. I've been fishing these two rivers during the same week for the past 20 years. Taking a nephew that is new to fly fishing this year, will be a great time! I'll wait a few years before I introduce him to bamboo rods.  :whistling:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on September 06, 2018, 01:22:15 PM
 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on September 06, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
Newest acquisition:

Late 30's to mid 40's Edwards F18 "Bristol" 8 1/2'.  BTW  the 18 refers to the price. These rods were the top of the line until you got into a "Edwards" marked rod. Think Quadrate.

Its in "good" condition and wont take much to restore.

(https://i.imgur.com/WvsiseF.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/PxcZzXq.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/0M6ZW13.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on September 29, 2018, 12:46:33 AM
Back from the Idaho trip. The nephew did fine! His casting clicked the last hour of the last day, but by that time he had already caught fish! He wants to go again next year, I told him to practice and go out and fish locally. He will be welcome next year:)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on October 02, 2018, 10:45:39 PM
Newest acquisition:

Late 30's to mid 40's Edwards F18 "Bristol" 8 1/2'.  BTW  the 18 refers to the price. These rods were the top of the line until you got into a "Edwards" marked rod. Think Quadrate.

Its in "good" condition and wont take much to restore.

(https://i.imgur.com/WvsiseF.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/PxcZzXq.jpg?1)

Casting an Edwards quad made me want one. I now have two from newer makers. Love um!

(https://i.imgur.com/0M6ZW13.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on October 02, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Well, that didn't work well! 

I cast a Edwards quad, enjoyed it to the point that I have two quads from different makers now.
 
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 06, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
Well, that didn't work well! 

I cast a Edwards quad, enjoyed it to the point that I have two quads from different makers now.


Nice!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on March 18, 2019, 12:29:19 PM
Well, that didn't work well! 

I cast a Edwards quad, enjoyed it to the point that I have two quads from different makers now.

Ive ordered a Tim Zietak quad, should be getting it pretty soon.
It's his "Perfection" 7.5 ft 4 wt.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on July 11, 2019, 09:25:01 PM
Did the Zietak arrive? He was doing a lot of blanks that the buyer finished, Is that the case with your purchase?
Should be a fast rod for boo!
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 17, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
Got it and finished it out, but only one tip done. When I get time I'll do the other. The rod is very fast, and roll casts like crazy. Took it out this past 4th to a small creek and have to say it's one of the best short rods Iv'e owned. It only comes in second to a Granger 7030 I got a couple months ago.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on July 28, 2019, 02:10:03 PM
Granger 7030 Aristocrat (grade) with a "bow from the West Branch of the Feather.

(http://i.imgur.com/lZj0Xf4.jpg) (https://imgur.com/lZj0Xf4)

The Hammer Handel on these is really nice to cast (only used on the 7030). Too bad more makers didn't use them.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 18, 2019, 01:50:16 PM
Found a pretty neat rod. It's a FE Thomas from the late 1800's to no more than 1909 (determined from the butt cap). Model is a Dirigo, 8.5 ft. 3/2. Only needs a small bit of resto. and it should be good to fish. It came with the original bag and the tip tube. At that time they didn't sell rod with tubes. It also does not have a stripper guide, just small English style guides.
It seems to like a 6 wt. line.

(http://i.imgur.com/9iug0pR.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/9iug0pR)

(http://i.imgur.com/KBiP2LA.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/KBiP2LA)
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 20, 2019, 10:17:50 PM

Found a pretty neat rod. It's a FE Thomas from the late 1800's to no more than 1909 (determined from the butt cap). Model is a Dirigo, 8.5 ft. 3/2. Only needs a small bit of resto. and it should be good to fish. It came with the original bag and the tip tube. At that time they didn't sell rod with tubes. It also does not have a stripper guide, just small English style guides.
It seems to like a 6 wt. line.



That is very kewl. I hope it fishes as well as it has aged!


Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on August 20, 2019, 10:21:58 PM
I did get out last w/e. Fished  the NFCDL way up stream with a 6'-4" PY taper rod built by Buddy Davis. Throws a 4wt very nicely. Caught a few, and the all put one heck of a bend on the rod.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on August 25, 2019, 02:49:50 PM
Nice! I fished a Tim Zietak  quad this week end.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 21, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
Well, I've picked up a fairly rare rod. It's a Max Yerxa 8 foot 2/2 that's an incredible 5 wt. Max was a student of EC Powell and actually developed the A B and C tapers that Powell used on his rods.
It's most likely from his last years of production, the finish isn't quite as good as it should be as his eyesight was getting bad. This would be from the mid 90's.


(http://i.imgur.com/ZRcwcsn.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/ZRcwcsn)

(http://i.imgur.com/41IXcBH.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/41IXcBH)

Fished it on the NFF this past Friday. The rod is one of the best I've ever cast. Easily out-casting the Granger 8.5 footers I have.

 (http://i.imgur.com/pakhI59.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/pakhI59)

(http://i.imgur.com/mNgmn4t.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/mNgmn4t)


Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Dblhaul on October 30, 2019, 08:43:03 PM
Very nice! Beautiful river you have to fish! What reel is that?
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on October 31, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
The reel is a very "Blue Collar" Berkeley 510. I picked it up for something like 5 bucks, but it looks like a more expensive reel.


Correction on the Yerxa reference, it was Max's uncle Wood that worked with EC Powell and developed the A and B tapers. Max was a life long friend of EC's.
Title: Re: Old fly rod
Post by: Wineslob on December 11, 2019, 01:24:08 PM
Oh an interesting bit of info, in the picture of the river the Camp Fire started approx. 1.5 miles behind me.