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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: ScubaGuy on July 13, 2008, 02:37:43 PM
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I love threads when the DUmmies try to talk about economics.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3607862#3611930 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3607862#3611930)
Hanna Bell and others appear to have an endless supply of stupidity in this one.
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-12-08 05:42 PM
Original message
Question: Where does profit come from?
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Imagine a world with 2 "owners" & 20 "workers".
Imagine each of the owners has $100 to "invest".
Each buys $25 worth of raw materials from the other ($15 "rent" cost, $10 labor cost).
Then each one pays their 10 workers $75 to produce 20 widgets.
Imagine everyone needs some access to a widget to sustain their life.
So, at the end of the production cycle, we have:
20 workers with $170 dollars.
2 owners with $30 in cash & 40 widgets that cost $200 to produce, that they'll now attempt to sell at a profit.
Where does the profit come from?
Serious question.
There are a few posts trying to set Hanna straight but Th1onein get right to the point that Hanna was looking for.
Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-13-08 03:18 PM
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97. Profit comes from unpaid labor.
Period.
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These guys are nutz, anyone ever tell them that we are not in a closed system? That it is not a zero sum game? Do they have the slighest idea what noney is?
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It comes from a completely foreign source to DUchebags, HARD and SMART WORK.
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So the 'owner' should invest his $100 free of charge? And we should always assume that his costs will be steady and there will be no fluctuation in labor or materials? And if there is he's sol because he has no excess money from the 'good years' to invest in the now increased costs and if widgets become obsolete, he also loses his ass since he has no money for R&D to develop other products or designs and forget about employing processes or machinery since profit isn't allowed. What about excess inventory? Maybe the 'workers' should get docked, just like the 'owner' would if those don't sell since it's a zero sum game.
The problem with a lot of socialists and DUers is that they just have no concept of how a business is run. They see profit and they picture some guy lining his pockets with the excess while his workers earn slave labor. They have no concept that profit is distributed amongst the shareholders ie the owners as a return for using their capital and investing in the company. They seem to have no ability to think out and account for future costs, research and development, marketing, etc. They certainly don't understand economies of scale. Well, that's not true..i've seen a few 'brave' souls there lately trying to correct economic naivity, but they are but a row boat with a bad leak against a riptide of stupidity.
So much stupidity in one post. Painful...terribly painful. :thatsright:
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Epic fail DUmmie.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-13-08 03:18 PM
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97. Profit comes from unpaid labor.
Period.
Without profit, there would be no taxes. Without taxes, DUmmies would all have to find a way to earn their own "bread." Then the DUmmies wouldn't be pulling in all those $$ for their NON-labor.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jul-13-08 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
97. Profit comes from unpaid labor.
Period.
Without profit, there would be no taxes. Without taxes, DUmmies would all have to find a way to earn their own "bread." Then the DUmmies wouldn't be pulling in all those $$ for their NON-labor.
Without profit, there would be no business. There would be no workers. There would be no tax base. There would be no goods available.
I'm thinking the BrainlessOne bitch should move to Venezuela....but I don't think the moron would fit in there either.
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Oh, I saw that thread over there earlier today. What a maroon. :whatever:
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BTW, as a salesperson I LOVE profit.
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I bet reality really sucks when you don't comprehend simple concepts...
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I bet reality really sucks when you don't comprehend simple concepts...
One would have to know what reality is before it could suck.
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If I remember right, profit results from the intersection of the Marginal Revenue Curve and the Marginal Cost Curve being higher than the Average Cost Curve, AND being higher than the demand curve. This only results when the market is not perfectly competitive (i.e. there are barriers to entry, non-identical products, few firms, etc).
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If I remember right, profit results from the intersection of the Marginal Revenue Curve and the Marginal Cost Curve being higher than the Average Cost Curve, AND being higher than the demand curve. This only results when the market is not perfectly competitive (i.e. there are barriers to entry, non-identical products, few firms, etc).
HUH?....I thought it only happened was when government taxed evil corporations more.
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...So, at the end of the production cycle, we have:
20 workers with $170 dollars.
2 owners with $30 in cash & 40 widgets that cost $200 to produce, that they'll now attempt to sell at a profit.
Where does the profit come from?
Serious question.
Got news for you, dipshit. If in MY company, you cost me $170 dollars to make 1 item with a total production cost of $200, you'd be out on the ****in' street before you could whine "That's not FAIR", and I'd be hiring somebody who could actually do the Job.
My company is not a ****ing JOBS PROGRAM, asshole! :thatsright:
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I love threads when the DUmmies try to talk about economics.
I dunno, it's kind of painful to follow, embarassing if you are cursed with any empathy at all, and impossible to assemble into a logical whole, like listening to not particularly well-educated 8-year-olds trying to explain astrophysics.
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profit comes from drinking the blood of the poor, of course, and stealing their healthcare, denying them the right to vote, and throwing old people into the street to be homeless during winter.
econ101 stuff.
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profit comes from drinking the blood of the poor, of course, and stealing their healthcare, denying them the right to vote, and throwing old people into the street to be homeless during winter.
econ101 stuff.
Amen brotha!
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Where does profit come from ?
When mommy investment and daddy productivity love each other very much.. :uhsure:
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I bet reality really sucks when you don't comprehend simple concepts...
Which perfectly explains why DUmmies are always angry and live in a world of make believe.
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profit comes from drinking the blood of the poor, of course, and stealing their healthcare, denying them the right to vote, and throwing old people into the street to be homeless during winter.
econ101 stuff.
And wearing black top hats and warm woolen long coats while walking through the winter cold.
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profit comes from drinking the blood of the poor, of course, and stealing their healthcare, denying them the right to vote, and throwing old people into the street to be homeless during winter.
econ101 stuff.
And wearing black top hats and warm woolen long coats while walking through the winter cold.
. . . on the bodies of orphans.
yeah, that's about it, in a nutshell.
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Where does profit come from ?
When mommy investment and daddy productivity love each other very much.. :uhsure:
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao:
H5!
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These guys are nutz, anyone ever tell them that we are not in a closed system? That it is not a zero sum game? Do they have the slighest idea what noney is?
Stop right there and you have a winnah! :-)
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That's the fun part about DUmmie threads like this.
They have no concept of wealth and how it's created. For them it's all a zero sum game and the only way someone obtains wealth is by "stealing" it from someone else.
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