Bosonic (2,864 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014965225
Sydney siege: Hostages held at Martin Place cafe
1. ****ing hell..Let's hope this doesn't end horribly.
PSPS (4,984 posts)
4. No indication it's IS. The banner isn't the one they use.
Posteritatis (18,632 posts)
7. Yeah, their flag's pretty distinctive and that isn't it. That said, there's a number of groups in the same general range of amicable loveliness which use one kind of "white script on black flag" motif, so there's definitely a range of responsible parties. Ugh.
unreadierLizard (471 posts)
15. It sickens me that people defend Islam, when it calls for
the execution of non believers, the torture and oppression of women, gays, apostates, other Muslims, liberals, conservatives, children, etc.
And is actively practiced by millions of adherents from Mecca to New York
Brigid (16,805 posts)
17. Nothing on CNN or MSNBC. TV or internet.
Matilda (5,885 posts)
29. Tony Abbott will be in his element.
This will be a distraction from his lousy poll figures and his shambolic government.
He'll milk it for all he's worth - just watch.
Matilda (5,885 posts)
29. Tony Abbott will be in his element.
This will be a distraction from his lousy poll figures and his shambolic government.
He'll milk it for all he's worth - just watch.
This is gonna be a tough one for the DUmpmonkies. It's hard to be pro-Islam when Islamists kidnap, torture and murder innocent people...
It's an Islamic flag that denotes Jihad. Who do you think it might be? Mormons?
I have never been able to cease to marvel at how much libs empathize with our mortal enemies over our fellow countrymen.
2naSalit (5,630 posts)
37. Interesting you would make such claims about one religion while giving all others a pass. I don't think any of the three major religions on the planet are free from wackjobs who latch on to one stanza or phrase in some "holy" text and make a corrupted and alleged sect of whatever religion they stole their sacred words from while forming a new and often bastardized ideology of it.
Just look at our fundies in the US who call themselves christians - but mostly we give them a pass but, you know, they're christians so they get a psych eval... and then there are those folks over in israel...
herding cats (1,623 posts)
51. Dr. Hector Zevallos and his wife, Rosalie Jean.
They were taken hostage by three Army of God members because he was an abortion doctor. It's just the one kidnapping which popped in my head when I read your post. There are many other violent crimes, including murder, which have taken place by zealots of the Christian faith over abortion rights.
Violence in the name of a religion makes no sense to me, so don't think I'm defending one while condemning another. They're all equally wrong in my eyes.
Edit for clarity. They're all equally wrong when they commit violence in the name of their religion. That wasn't clear in my statement above.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)
80. It sickens me that people on a progressive site would lump an entire group composed of hundreds of millions globally, and millions in this country, (including some good friends of mine) into one based on the actions and statements of some radical lunatic fringes who aren't even considered true Muslims by the majority. Kinda like those of us who are Christians do not consider the far RW whackadoos who call for the killing and enslavement of gays, approve the rape of women to show the their place, and want women chained to the kitchen as well as an authoritarian theocratic state to be true Christians representative of the religion as a whole.
hrmjustin (49,539 posts)
52. No Islam did not do this and to blame it on Islam is wrong.
OrwellwasRight (3,644 posts)
55. Oh please.
Are you forgetting the Crusades, the inquisition, witch burnings, and the Jonestown Massacre? But yeah, other than that, Christians are pretty much perfect. Never violent.
Can we stop with the bigotry?
OrwellwasRight (3,644 posts)
58. Funny. When Timothy McVeigh killed a bunch of people, including children, did that "fuel negative feelings towards the religion in question", i.e., Christianity? Because I don't remember any backlash against Christianity after that. Unless of course, that is how you explain the "war on Christmas."
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)
76. Yes. Let's make an ENTIRE group composed of hundreds of millions altogether and lump them into one monolithic groupthink entity because of the actions of some lunatic fringe groups among them. Let's treat ALL of them, even women and children, with discriminatory persecution because of the actions of some.
Let's see, what's that called again? Oh, yeah, BIGOTRY.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)
79. I have the distinct feeling that if the gunmen were white or Christian, there wouldn't be nearly enough, if any, global attention paid to it.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)That is the area where IS said it was going to beheaded someone and the black flag of Islam being flown. Remove those 2 things and you might have a point.
79. I have the distinct feeling that if the gunmen were white or Christian, there wouldn't be nearly enough, if any, global attention paid to it.
CBS News partner Ten Eyewitness News reports it spoke directly to two hostages inside the cafe, who confirmed two demands from the gunman: He wants an ISIS flag delivered to the cafe, and wants to speak to the Prime Minster Tony Abbott.
The suspected jihadist holding up to 15 people hostage in a Sydney cafe is an Iranian facing murder and sex assault charges who is also known for sending hate mail to the families of Australian soldiers killed overseas, police confirmed.Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/15/sydney-siege-five-hostages-escape-police-contact-gunman/)
The majority of violence against Muslims is done by other Muslims, but don't let that distract you from your hand-wringing hashtag idiocy.
Sydney Hostage Crisis Over After Police Storm Cafe With Stun Grenades (http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-situation-people-flee-lindt-chocolate-shop/story?id=27600443)
Buh bye.
Think the dead terrorist said 'hands up, don't shoot!'?"I can't breathe!"
:lmao:
"I can't breathe!"
Five or six closely-spaced holes in the chest will do that to a fella.That is why I prefer head shots, no sucking chest wounds and less chance of becoming a ward of the state.
That is why I prefer head shots, no sucking chest wounds and less chance of becoming a ward of the state.
If you blow their brains out, you'll just make DUmmies out of 'em!Well, that will clear their head and improve their thinking. No thoughts are better than their thoughts.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/stupidhashtags_zpscb3fd101.png) (http://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/544582569925550080)
I have never been able to cease to marvel at how much libs empathize with our mortal enemies over our fellow countrymen.Progressive Socialist Leaning Democrats & Socially Liberal Libertarians fear Christian Conservatives & Constitutionalist Republican & Tea Party Types & Oathkeeper/Militia folks far more than they fear Militant Islamists & Fundy Islam...
Sydney Hostage Crisis Over After Police Storm Cafe With Stun Grenades (http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-situation-people-flee-lindt-chocolate-shop/story?id=27600443)
Buh bye.
Progressive Socialist Leaning Democrats & Socially Liberal Libertarians fear Christian Conservatives & Constitutionalist Republican & Tea Party Types & Oathkeeper/Militia folks far more than they fear Militant Islamists & Fundy Islam...
Now the liberal Aussies should become worm food in solidarity with Achmed the dead terrorist.
Matilda (5,893 posts)
125. It definitely appears he was a lone nutter.
No excuse, and questions are rightly being asked about why a man facing 40 charges of abuse, including sexual, was out on bail.
Yet that hasn't stopped PM Tony Abbott from making statements that Man Haron Monis had used the symbolism of the ISIL flag, and that Sydney has had "a brush with terrorism". He didn't, and we haven't.
He should be hosing down the fear of Islam, but he needs to justify why his government locks children up in detention camps and breaks the UN conventions on treatment of refugees. He has to protect us all, you see. Even if it means he's likely breeding hate in the hearts of those he's mistreating.
hrmjustin (49,599 posts)
107. Again for a few here I would like to remind some that Islam itself did not do this but a person
Or persons claiming to be Muslim.
Yes there are legitimate criticism of religion including Islam but lets remember that most who follow the religion of peace are peaceful.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)
80. It sickens me that people on a progressive site would lump an entire group composed of hundreds of millions globally, and millions in this country, (including some good friends of mine) into one based on the actions and statements of some radical lunatic fringes who aren't even considered true Muslims by the majority.
Kinda like those of us who are Christians do not consider the far RW whackadoos who call for the killing and enslavement of gays, approve the rape of women to show the their place, and want women chained to the kitchen as well as an authoritarian theocratic state to be true Christians representative of the religion as a whole.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)Maybe if Muslims were more condemning against terrorism as a whole.
76. Yes. Let's make an ENTIRE group composed of hundreds of millions altogether and lump them into one monolithic groupthink entity because of the actions of some lunatic fringe groups among them. Let's treat ALL of them, even women and children, with discriminatory persecution because of the actions of some.
Let's see, what's that called again? Oh, yeah, BIGOTRY.
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)Showing your ignorance. By the way, Muslim is a religion, not a race or ethnicity.
79. I have the distinct feeling that if the gunmen were white or Christian, there wouldn't be nearly enough, if any, global attention paid to it.
Matilda (5,893 posts)
He should be hosing down the fear of Islam, but he needs to justify why his government locks children up in detention camps and breaks the UN conventions on treatment of refugees. He has to protect us all, you see. Even if it means he's likely breeding hate in the hearts of those he's mistreating.
hrmjustin (49,599 posts)
107. Again for a few here I would like to remind some that Islam itself did not do this but a person
Or persons claiming to be Muslim.
Yes there are legitimate criticism of religion including Islam but lets remember that most who follow the religion of peace are peaceful.
hrmjustin (49,599 posts)
107. Again for a few here I would like to remind some that Islam itself did not do this but a person
Or persons claiming to be Muslim.
Yes there are legitimate criticism of religion including Islam but lets remember that most who follow the religion of peace are peaceful.
Thank you for allowing me to remember that. But I forget it every time the religion of peace gets violent again.That didn't take long...
liberalhistorian (19,774 posts)
Kinda like those of us who are Christians do not consider the far RW whackadoos who call for the killing and enslavement of gays, approve the rape of women to show the their place, and want women chained to the kitchen as well as an authoritarian theocratic state to be true Christians representative of the religion as a whole.
Shut up, Lisa, just shut the **** up and knock it off.
You know damned good and well, as do the rest of us, that what you just posted was an absolute lie. You cannot prove what you just wrote, no matter how hard you try. There is no moral equivalence you can make between mainstream Christianity and mainstream islam to excuse what these filthy savages are doing. I don't care how far you reach up your ass, it can't be done.
Seriously, dear, it's time for you to grow up and quit acting like an emotionally stunted teenager.
OrwellwasRight (3,644 posts)
55. Oh please.
Are you forgetting the Crusades, the inquisition, witch burnings, and the Jonestown Massacre?
Yeah, she has gone over the deep end, hasn't she?
4. No indication it's IS. The banner isn't the one they use.
OrwellwasRight (3,644 posts)
55. Oh please.
Are you forgetting the Crusades, the inquisition, witch burnings, and the Jonestown Massacre?
She was never very stable to begin with.