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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: libertybele on December 08, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
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I tend to agree with this op ed. Washington is broken and granted we will have the majority in both House come January; but those in Congress that are RINO and side with the left will continue to do so. I feel that our power lies with the states that have Republican governors and ultimately "We the People".
Decisive action by the States needed. Without it, the course of human events for We, the People
...Only an absolute idiot can look at the Democrat amnesty juggernaught and the Republican establishment’s support of it and not understand that this is sedition at its worst. To make millions of lawbreakers, including a vast array of violent criminals, who have no understanding of our history nor any commitment, much less loyalty, to our Constitution, our traditions, our values, or our society, into legal, voting citizens is national suicide. And yet, this is what our government is hell bent on doing, regardless of the clear will of the majority of We, the People. This is a total perversion of what our government was intended to be. Again, look to the Declaration:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed (emphasis added).
Over the past 50 years, and particularly in the past six, We, the People, have had a steady stream of far leftist inspired laws, regulations, executive orders, and judicial fiats rammed down our throats by all three branches of government. Amnesty, Obamacare, spying on us by the NSA and other government agencies, unconstitutional wars, the “stimulusâ€, the destruction of our military, gun control, abortion, criminal misuse of the IRS, massive economy destroying regulations by unconstitutional agencies like the EPA, government land grabs disguised as National Monuments, etcetera, etcetera, ad nauseam. This is just a few of an appallingly colossal and still growing list of unaddressed grievances. Again, please refer to the Declaration:
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it (emphasis added), and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such for, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness...
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/68128
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Welcome libertybele -
Why don't you tell us a little about yourself
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Welcome libertybele -
Why don't you tell us a little about yourself
Thanks for the welcome Dori. I consider myself a politically motivated individual with strong conservative views. I spent several years combating illegal immigration and have done enough research to know that Obama's recent EO on amnesty has the potential to crush our economy. I hope to share my conservative opinions with others without being chastised by others in this forum. Hopefully, we all share common ground in here and we will be able to help the conservative movement gain more momentum and continue moving forward.
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Welcome to Conservative Cave.
I feel that our power lies with the states that have Republican governors and ultimately "We the People".
What do you propose, specifically?
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Welcome to Conservative Cave.
What do you propose, specifically?
I am not be any means a "political guru", but the article specially mentions the possibility of states seceding from the union; therefore not having to follow the executive order from Obama regarding amnesty. I believe in turn however, he can sue the state (as he did with Arizona), but there are currently 17 states suing Obama over his EO.
If you think about it, if Obama is allowed to continue he can issue executive orders on just about anything, i.e., gun control, green energy, etc. Congress has done pretty much nothing to stop him, (yes I realize the newly elected Congress will be seated in January) and even when Obama has been directed by the courts he hasn't complied; he claimed executive privilege.
All I am saying is that the states do have the power to push back and because there will be 30 states with GOP governors, it is a viable option rather than waiting for Congress to finish playing ping pong with Obama.
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All I am saying is that the states do have the power to push back.
What do you propose, specifically?
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What do you propose, specifically?
Right now I would propose calling your governor's office to request that they join the other states in their suit against Obama's executive order on amnesty and if your governor has joined the other governor's in their suit, call them and thank them for doing the right thing.
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Right now I would propose calling your governor's office to request that they join the other states in their suit against Obama's executive order on amnesty and if your governor has joined the other governor's in their suit, call them and thank them for doing the right thing.
Your overarching statement was that Repulican governors have the 'power' to negate Emperor Putmos. When I asked you for a specific proposal, the best you could come up with was that I should call my governor.
Is that your final answer?
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I like Levin's The Liberty Amendments.
Article V Constitutional Convention 2/3rds of the States.
**** Congress.
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Your overarching statement was that Repulican governors have the 'power' to negate Emperor Putmos. When I asked you for a specific proposal, the best you could come up with was that I should call my governor.
Is that your final answer?
??? I'm not sure what you want here, nor why you seem to be "drilling" me with the same question, but to each his own. I answered your "specific" question twice. I started my post, by saying that I agree with the article in that secession may be an option as a resolution to Obama's EO. Secondly, I posted the 10th amendment which grants states certain rights. Not sure if you want a debate, want to disagree with my opinion, want to disagree with the article I posted or just decided that I am new to the forum and want to give me a hard time.
Yes, this is my final answer. Lol ... I feel like I'm on a game show.
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I like Levin's The Liberty Amendments.
Article V Constitutional Convention 2/3rds of the States.
**** Congress.
Exactly. **** Congress, by the time Congress gets done playing tiddly winks with Obama, who know what other destruction he could inflict upon this country.
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Exactly. **** Congress, by the time Congress gets done playing tiddly winks with Obama, who know what other destruction he could inflict upon this country.
Are you Canadian?
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What is it with all the long winded bloviating n00bs lately? I smell a rat.
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??? I'm not sure what you want here, nor why you seem to be "drilling" me with the same question, but to each his own. I answered your "specific" question twice. I started my post, by saying that I agree with the article in that secession may be an option as a resolution to Obama's EO. Secondly, I posted the 10th amendment which grants states certain rights. Not sure if you want a debate, want to disagree with my opinion, want to disagree with the article I posted or just decided that I am new to the forum and want to give me a hard time.
Yes, this is my final answer. Lol ... I feel like I'm on a game show.
You haven't answered the question, and you're not within 40 miles of being drilled. What you are, is someone making vague, emotional posts.
Your OP started with the sentence ' I tend to agree with this op ed.' If the best you can do is 'tend' to agree with it, why expect us to embrace it?
You have failed to state a 'power' held by Republican governors to compel the president who ignores the Constitution and the law.
You did not state your opinion why a lawsuit against King Putt is an effective strategy, and you changed gears to take cover behind Eupher's support of an Article V convention instead. Inconsistent.
And now, you state that the 10th Amendment grants rights to the states. From this statement, I infer that you believe the Federal government grants rights; a reasonable inference, I would say.
At this point, you have shown yourself to use vague, emotional arguments, to be inconsistent, and to believe that the government grants rights.
You're certainly no libertarian ('liberty' in your name notwithstanding); what kind of conservative do you consider yourself to be?
PS: Now, you're being drilled.
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What is it with all the long winded bloviating n00bs lately? I smell a rat.
Mrs. McGillicudy's Finishing School for Girls is off for Christmas, and the mall doesn't open for another hour.
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What do you propose, specifically?
Texas & Arizona send NG & others (Law Enforcement of any & all varieties ) to their Border regions to really Secure the Border ( California & New Mexico will abstain )
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Texas & Arizona send NG & others (Law Enforcement of any & all varieties ) to their Border regions to really Secure the Border ( California & New Mexico will abstain )
That's a solid, well-stated idea. No 'tend to', 'I feel', or any other squishiness.
Libertybele, this is how you do it. State your ideas and opinions without equivocation. If you don't support something, don't expect anyone else to.
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Are you Canadian?
No.
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You haven't answered the question, and you're not within 40 miles of being drilled. What you are, is someone making vague, emotional posts.
Your OP started with the sentence ' I tend to agree with this op ed.' If the best you can do is 'tend' to agree with it, why expect us to embrace it?
You have failed to state a 'power' held by Republican governors to compel the president who ignores the Constitution and the law.
You did not state your opinion why a lawsuit against King Putt is an effective strategy, and you changed gears to take cover behind Eupher's support of an Article V convention instead. Inconsistent.
And now, you state that the 10th Amendment grants rights to the states. From this statement, I infer that you believe the Federal government grants rights; a reasonable inference, I would say.
At this point, you have shown yourself to use vague, emotional arguments, to be inconsistent, and to believe that the government grants rights.
You're certainly no libertarian ('liberty' in your name notwithstanding); what kind of conservative do you consider yourself to be?
PS: Now, you're being drilled.
Nope. Definitely, not "expecting" anything from you.
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Nope. Definitely, not "expecting" anything from you.
Add passive aggressive to your list of attributes.
You're still not answering questions.
What kind of conservative are you?
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What is it with all the long winded bloviating n00bs lately? I smell a rat.
They seem to have a kind of a Paulista bent, to me. None of them appear to really understand how the government actually works, though, they all have a very black-and-white, dualistic understanding of processes that are much more complex than they seem to be able to handle.
Of course, a certain number of them are probably sock puppets for the ones that already managed to get hit with the ban hammer for not being housebroken.
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Nobody here likes the imperial president issuing edicts and executive orders.
The way he has legislated from the chief executive office is deplorable.
Just about everyone here will tell anyone who will listen...we told you so.
Dollars to doughnuts the OP voted for owebuma.
So now you have to own it.
At least for the next 2 years.
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Add passive aggressive to your list of attributes.
You're still not answering questions.
What kind of conservative are you?
He answered mine. :-)
He ain't a Canuck.
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He answered mine. :-)
He ain't a Canuck.
We have established that much, anyway.
:lmao: