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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on December 07, 2014, 10:06:36 PM
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daredtowork (866 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025922908
That Splinter Group that Starts Looting/Violence/Provoking Police at Every Protest
Apparently the Berkeley protest was peaceful until a splinter group of "anarchists" - dressed in black, wearing masks, etc. - started vandalizing, looting stores, etc. over the objections of the other protesters. This undermined the protest by angering the community and bringing down tear gas on everyone.
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2014/12/06/breaking-post-ferguson-demo-in-downtown-berkeley-march-continues-to-berkeley-police-hq/
I've been reading complaints about these guys in regard to the Oakland protests. I saw them in action myself during the Occupy marches a few years ago. They were indeed dressed in black and masked. They would run up to police and provoke them. At the time I presumed it was because they wanted a photo op. I was also always surprised to find some building had been vandalized during what I had experienced as a peaceful protest.
Who are these guys?
Are they really "black bloc" anarchists traveling from protest to protest to sew chaos?
It seems to me that they could sew more chaos by letting the protests flourish without interference and doing their acts of anarchy separately.
Are they "professional anarchist activist" hoping to inspire the other protesters to violence? If so, I have yet to see this work. Usually other protesters are at their wits end trying to figure out how to get these guys to stop.
Are these guys opponents of the protest who are trying to generate bad press and bad blood within the community by demonstrating that protests are violent and cause damage to local businesses? I just recently became aware of the practice of "culture jamming" on the Internet, but this could be a variety of real life culture jamming...misrepresenting the protesters so the surrounding community will mistakenly police and/or attack them.
Among the Berkeleyside comments I saw a remark that would never have occurred to me, naive born-after-the-60s child that I am. Apparently the CIA and the FBI (NSA? Homeland Security? Other black funded agencies?) were quite fond of disrupting the civil rights movement by throwing in fake "violent" elements. Could these "anarchists" belong to some government agency that is trying to kill the protests before they get big enough to require embarrassing martial law interventions?
Any other thoughts on who the "anarchists" might be and how to handle them?
Yeah... sure... whatever.
daredtowork (866 posts)
2. In these cases the police weren't inflicting violence
The guys in black were trying to provoke the police to violence.
As I understand the Berkeley situation, the police only started to try to disperse the protest after the vandalism and looting started. The Black Bloc guys started throwing things like bottles and bricks at the police.
When I observed this at the Oakland Occupy march, these guys would run up really close to police officers who were just standing there and observing: they would spit, shout curse words, and throw stuff - do anything they could to get a rise out of the police officer. They were trying to CREATE police violence.
Obviously a false flag operation!
daredtowork (866 posts)
50. City leaders/planners need to be made aware of this
In my "helicopters" thread someone noted how the nightly sound of helicopters creates the impression of living in a war zone. If government agents and/or off-duty police officers are inserting themselves in these protests as "anarchists" just to create a pretext for shutting the protests down, city leaders need to know that THEY are the ones who need to be billed for the damage caused to their city. THEY are the ones getting in the way of what their citizen's actually want. THEY are the "looters and the vandals", not the protesters in general.
And THEY are bringing down these helicopters onto the city.
daredtowork (866 posts)
5. WOW!
So these guys could indeed be "professional activists" from "out of town"...but they could actually be law enforcement officials bent on making the protests look bad. Good catch!!!
Someone should tweet this at the Berkeley Police Department.
Their helicopters just started circling again. It's after 1am. Geez.
:lmao:
Scootaloo (14,961 posts)
8. Yup. Here's something to ask yourself...
How is it what while "regular" protesters are arrested with surprising regularity, these violent vandals... never are? Ever heard of "Black Bloc Anarchists' standing trial for the harm they cause?
Nope. Apparently they are magical elves, able to turn invisible, dodge every police line and "kettling" action, never land in handcuffs, much less face charges or prison time...
(http://i.imgur.com/GDlbDED.jpg)
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thoughtandmemory (7 posts)
65. Uh, it's Berkeley.
If you squint, you can read it off their shoulder patches.
More info: http://imgur.com/a/tsgAB
Scootaloo (14,961 posts)
66. Not at that image size I can't And it says he was arrested. S'not much information.
Wait a moment... I'll think of a spin for this...
Scuba (41,681 posts)
36. Was he charged? Spend time in jail? Or was he released the minute the cops had him out of sight?
...and there you go.
merrily (12,199 posts)
15. I never discount the possibility that RWers, either in or out of government, are the instigators.
It's not always the case, but sometimes it is. Just never discount it.
peacebird (8,195 posts)
20. During the antiwar rallies in NYC before the war in Iraq, I saw a couple of those guys harrassing
cops behind the barricades. I had to leave the protest to catch the train back to virginia, and watched a couple of them hop into a van and pull off their garb, back slapping other cops in the vehicle. Cops undercover causing destruction to discredit the protest. That's what they were.
I heard similar happened at Occupy protests, but NYC is where I witnessed it.
I'm sure they were "just a couple bad apples"...
sure... sure...
ileus (11,192 posts)
30. Teabaggers hoping to get a full blown riot started.
:stoner:
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ileus (11,192 posts)
30. Teabaggers hoping to get a full blown riot started.
All your riots are belong to us!!!!
Dumbass.
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Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:37 AM
daredtowork (866 posts)
That Splinter Group that Starts Looting/Violence/Provoking Police at Every Protest
daredtowork. Let that sink in. Dared to work? Genuine DUmmy my ass. A name like that would never occur to a genuine DUmmy.
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TorchTheWitch
44. they show up at every protest of any kind and have for many years
Primarily they're young teenagers. They aren't anarchists any more than you are I are. They just like to take advantage of any situation where they can destroy stuff without the likelihood of getting caught. They just discovered anarchy and blak bloc on the intertubes and used it to hang their hats on in order to give themselves some sense of legitimacy.
Some people here like to think they're "agents provocateurs". Pfffttt. They're kids. Stupid, criminal kids that like any excuse to cause damage to anyone's property not their own and are too cowardly to do it while not taking advantage of a crowd that provides them a sort of cover. Police know who they are (as a group anyway) and what they're about... they've arrested plenty of them over the years and had to call their mommies and daddies to come bail their crybaby asses out.
There really isn't much of anything one can do about them. They're bound to show up regardless just as they've been doing for ages. The only thing I can think of that might help is to always be on the lookout for them, and when seen making mayhem sit on them until the police show up. The only way they'll go and stop showing up is to make them so uncomfortable about being stopped and caught the entire reason for showing up at all becomes more trouble than they think it's worth. Of course, doing anything about them can bring unwanted problems to peaceful protesters, but I'm not seeing how ignoring them does anything but embolden them either.
This post is as close to the truth as you'll get from a primitive. A few things wrong: they are anarchists and black bloc, that's not really in question so for this primitive to say otherwise was just dumb. And trying to stop them won't work because they'll start calling those trying to do so agent provocateurs. These libs have painted themselves into a corner on this one.
When I used to hang out at SF Indymedia, these anarchists were forever talking about the black bloc and how they'll eventually be the spark that lit the coming revolution. They would plan and plot what they called the "breakaway march" which is when a group of them would leave the designated march area so they could create their own mayhem.
Of course, anything destructive that happened they would claim it was agent provocateurs placed by law enforcement within their ranks who did things to make them look bad. But it was all too obvious that was their excuse, because the next announced protest date they'd be back planning their next breakaway march.
It's only natural that the primitives would be stupid enough to believe agent provocateurs are making them look bad. Bring it up and they start crying "COINTELPRO! COINTELPRO!" like the robots that they are. It's like trying to talk to the 911 toofers. Not worth the effort.
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This post is as close to the truth as you'll get from a primitive. A few things wrong: they are anarchists and black bloc, that's not really in question so for this primitive to say otherwise was just dumb. And trying to stop them won't work because they'll start calling those trying to do so agent provocateurs. These libs have painted themselves into a corner on this one.
When I used to hang out at SF Indymedia, these anarchists were forever talking about the black bloc and how they'll eventually be the spark that lit the coming revolution. They would plan and plot what they called the "breakaway march" which is when a group of them would leave the designated march area so they could create their own mayhem.
Of course, anything destructive that happened they would claim it was agent provocateurs placed by law enforcement within their ranks who did things to make them look bad. But it was all too obvious that was their excuse, because the next announced protest date they'd be back planning their next breakaway march.
It's only natural that the primitives would be stupid enough to believe agent provocateurs are making them look bad. Bring it up and they start crying "COINTELPRO! COINTELPRO!" like the robots that they are. It's like trying to talk to the 911 toofers. Not worth the effort.
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Reminds me of the SDSers I knew in college. Majority were from wealthy families. They were bored and knew that whatever happened Daddy would bail them out.
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never saw this at tea party rallies.... just saying...
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never saw this at tea party rallies.... just saying...
There were lots of liberal antagonists that showed up at Tea Party rallies causing trouble and trying to provoke them. Some even tried to act like they were a TEA member and carry racist signs to give the Tea Party a bad name.
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There were lots of liberal antagonists that showed up at Tea Party rallies causing trouble and trying to provoke them. Some even tried to act like they were a TEA member and carry racist signs to give the Tea Party a bad name.
right, but we're talking apples and oranges here. some poorly thought out fake racial sign doesn't equal destroying a city. The antagonists at the Tea Party rallies were quickly dispatched as well. Wonder how many primitives are watching Maury on their new big screens this morning.
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The troublemakers who sew chaos are the ones who refuse to tow the line.
They have Ontario motives.
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Were these undercover agents also the ones raping people at Occupy and taking shits on the sidewalk?
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Were these undercover agents also the ones raping people at Occupy and taking shits on the sidewalk?
nah, these were the ones in the finger paint tent. this time they ran out of finger paint.
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Are they really "black bloc" anarchists traveling from protest to protest to sew chaos?
It seems to me that they could sew more chaos by letting the protests flourish without interference and doing their acts of anarchy separately.
They are Obama's Community Occupiers and Quilting Team. Who did you think they were?