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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on November 26, 2014, 02:57:56 PM
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FLPanhandle (3,221 posts) Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:02 AM
Instead of debating if there was a struggle for the gun or not...
Why are we not debating if there should have been a gun in the equation at all?
If Wilson had been an unarmed police officer (like in many countries), would Wilson have approached Brown differently? Would Brown have been less afraid? Even if Brown was confrontational and aggressive, would Wilson have feared for his own life without a gun between them?
Watching all the coverage, no one ever asks "Why are the police armed in the first place"? (yes, I understand the need for armed SWAT or response teams, but I'm talking about the average patrol officer).
To quote the one police officer I grew up watching, Andy Griffith, "When a man carries a gun all the time, the respect he thinks he's gettin' might really be fear. So I don't carry a gun because I don't want the people of Mayberry to fear a gun. I'd rather they would respect me." It's a TV show, but there is wisdom in those words.
Remove the gun, the police are more polite, the citizens less afraid, and maybe respect for the police grows. Just an old man's thoughts...
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The_Commonist (2,359 posts)
1. Why have police at all?
That's a serious question.
I truly believe, that in some places anyway, police presence causes more problems that it solves.
i think a town like Ferguson might be the perfect example of this, where the police force is little more than for extracting fines from the citizenry.
FLPanhandle (3,221 posts)
5. Are there no violent criminals in the UK or other countries without an armed police force?
They have special armed units when needed, but the day to day patrolling is done unarmed.
Spider Jerusalem (18,463 posts)
3. It's not possible to have unarmed police in a country with gun laws like the US has.
Amend the Constitution to repeal the Second Amendment, and then, maybe. But since that's never going to happen...
FLPanhandle (3,221 posts)
7. I disagree
Even with the proliferation of guns in our society, most people are not walking around armed.
Armed special units within the police can be called out when needed, but I don't see the need for the average officer to be armed.
Sure, tell the cops they will be on patrol without guns and see how quickly they respond to 911 calls involving violence.
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The next civil right in the making......the right to just run wild unhindered by anyone.....and we do the killing because the cops won't do it.
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The only place that isn't a foreign version of Mayberry RFD that really has unarmed police (At least the beat officers are unarmed) is metropolitan England, where it works (Mostly) only because -
1. There is a pervasive government surveillance system, not just miscellaneous business security cams, in the high crime areas that they police;
2. The society, despite and influx of Muslims good and bad since the independence of the Subcontinent occurred mid-20th Century, is still rather homogeneous, especially as compared to ours;
3. There are laws against privately-owned weapons and self-defense (In anything but an utter back-to-the-wall, no-possible-escape situation) that are so Draconian that the penalties are worse than what the perps get for robbery with anything but firearms themselves, and sentences are much lighter than in the US for anything but firearms crime so there is far less incentive for the perps to arm themselves.
4. There are a shitload of cops compared to most US metro areas, and armed police are immediately available for backup if the perps prove to be armed.
I don't think you DUmmies would be on board for the whole package, and without the first and last of them, the third one would be a disaster, while the second is a fundamental demographic difference that government can't change.
However, I am all for a trial run, pulling all cops (And Conservatives) out of a couple of sample Liberal-infested areas, banning civilian guns there, forbidding government video surveillance in those zones, and having a 'No hard time' policy for mere grand theft, assault, or strong-arm robbery until around the third offense, then just 18 months to a year. Should go just great, but we'll need to run it about five years to see how it plays out.
:popcorn:
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I'm all for annexing a portion of land in the U.S., fencing it in and giving it away to any and all DUmmies who want to live in a society without police and see how well that goes over.
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:popcorn:
However because of the rising violence among Muslim youth, there are more cops being armed in the UK.
I'm all for annexing a portion of land in the U.S., fencing it in and giving it away to any and all DUmmies who want to live in a society without police and see how well that goes over.
Escape From New York ~ Libtardistan?
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To quote the one police officer I grew up watching, Andy Griffith, "When a man carries a gun all the time, the respect he thinks he's gettin' might really be fear. So I don't carry a gun because I don't want the people of Mayberry to fear a gun. I'd rather they would respect me." It's a TV show, but there is wisdom in those words.
And the most dangerous criminals in Mayberry were Otis Campbell and Ernest T. Bass.
St. Swisher would have torn Andy's head off and laughed about it.
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These Dummies basically invision Gotham, allowing the criminals to run to city with no law enforcement in sight. Maybe one of them believes that they can become Batman.
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These Dummies basically invision Gotham, allowing the criminals to run to city with no law enforcement in sight. Maybe one of them believes that they can become Batman.
That's probably why the DUmmies have no problem with obama and his henchmen in power.
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When you have open borders in a country as big as this one, how are you going to keep guns out?
These dummies are getting crazier by the day.
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Quote from: HawkHogan on Today at 05:07:10 PM
"These Dummies basically invision Gotham, allowing the criminals to run to city with no law enforcement in sight. Maybe one of them believes that they can become Batman."
Quote from: DLR Pyro
"That's probably why the DUmmies have no problem with obama and his henchmen in power."
It looked like the police in Ferguson gave the rioters a 2 to 3 hour head start. :whatever:
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These Dummies basically invision Gotham, allowing the criminals to run to city with no law enforcement in sight.
That would be the South Side of Chicago.
Which reminds me. They just found an 0bamaite shot dead in a parked car in Ferguson.
The chance he was popped by another 0bamaite approaches 100%.
I wonder if his crackhead parents will get any air time.
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That would be the South Side of Chicago.
Which reminds me. They just found an 0bamaite shot dead in a parked car in Ferguson.
The chance he was popped by another 0bamaite approaches 100%.
I wonder if his crackhead parents will get any air time.
The rumor was that the dead kid talked to the grand jury in support of Officer Wilson.