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Proposed ban on illegal immigrants stirs uproar in Fremont
A proposed law aimed at banishing illegal immigrants from Fremont, Neb., would require every renter — whether they were born in the United States or immigrated here — to obtain an occupancy license through the city.
The proposal has sparked an outcry among advocates for Latinos. Nebraska Appleseed attorney Norm Pflanz said he is confident many Fremont citizens will join in opposition once they understand the full impact of the ordinance — on their lives as well as those of immigrants.
Fremont's is the first city council in the state to propose an ordinance that would ban harboring and renting to illegal immigrants. Lawmakers in other U.S. localities have introduced similar initiatives, often later struck down by the courts, according to national immigration groups.
Bob Warner, the longtime councilman who sponsored Fremont's proposal, said he did so because residents were "sick and tired" of what he said was the federal government's lax enforcement of immigration laws.
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The Nebraska Mexican-American Commission issued a statement on Thursday saying it was disappointed with "racial and anti-immigrant remarks" made at the Fremont council meeting. Tuesday was the first opportunity for the public to speak about the ordinance.
Angel Freytez, commission spokesman, said some opponents of the ban left the meeting early because they felt there was inadequate security. One opponent of the ordinance later broke into tears because of the "hateful" statements, said Freytez, who called the behavior at the meeting "shameful."
"Instead of raising the level of dialogue over the immigration issue," Freytez said, "they are degrading it."
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Liberals still don't understand the word "ILLEGAL". :whatever: :banghead:
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If this goes through who's going to work at the Hormels meatpacking plant?
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If this goes through who's going to work at the Hormels meatpacking plant?
How 'bout all those folks on welfare? Nah, they don't want jobs. :fuelfire:
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If this goes through who's going to work at the Hormels meatpacking plant?
They already have that worked out. Ron will replace Juan and Hortense will take over for Jorge.
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If this goes through who's going to work at the Hormels meatpacking plant?
They could raise the hourly wage a few bucks and see who applies.
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
instead of 3.5%?
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
instead of 3.5%?
I think 3.5% is full employment, Mrs. Smith. They factor in transitional people switching jobs, etc.
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
instead of 3.5%?
I think 3.5% is full employment, Mrs. Smith. They factor in transitional people switching jobs, etc.
5% is full employment.
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
instead of 3.5%?
I think 3.5% is full employment, Mrs. Smith. They factor in transitional people switching jobs, etc.
5% is full employment.
So, if we're at 5.5%, and we have 20 million illegals, what happens if we, all the sudden, deport'em all? :uhsure:
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
Kev, the unemployment roles are skewed. There are plenty of folks, like me, that have disappeared off of the unemployment roles. After six months, maybe a year, they "go away" and don't count any more. If the Government actually counted who are TRULY unemployed, I think the figures would astound the Nation. Bear in mind, I was pretty much unemployed for seven years.
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Kev, the unemployment roles are skewed. There are plenty of folks, like me, that have disappeared off of the unemployment roles. After six months, maybe a year, they "go away" and don't count any more. If the Government actually counted who are TRULY unemployed, I think the figures would astound the Nation. Bear in mind, I was pretty much unemployed for seven years.
7 years, but wasn't that pretty much by decision? As for illegals, which job do you think they have, that you could fill? Working for a landscaping company? Chicken farm? It ain't like these guys are coming here with PhD's. ....and there's no job that you're qualified for that they could fill.
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Kev, the unemployment roles are skewed. There are plenty of folks, like me, that have disappeared off of the unemployment roles. After six months, maybe a year, they "go away" and don't count any more. If the Government actually counted who are TRULY unemployed, I think the figures would astound the Nation. Bear in mind, I was pretty much unemployed for seven years.
7 years, but wasn't that pretty much by decision? As for illegals, which job do you think they have, that you could fill? Working for a landscaping company? Chicken farm? It ain't like these guys are coming here with PhD's. ....and there's no job that you're qualified for that they could fill.
True, but there are many more folks out there that COULD do those jobs. Take the meat packing company in Worthington, MN that got raided a couple of years ago. The INS captured some 40 illegals and sent them home. The very next day, there were over 100 applicants waiting in line for those jobs they were usurping. All of the applicants were legal US citizens and/ or LEGAL immigrants.
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So, if we're at 5.5%, and we have 20 million illegals, what happens if we, all the sudden, deport'em all? :uhsure:
You might have to mow your own grass?
Seriously, who cares what might happen....if they are here illegally, then they need to be arrested and sent home.
It would be of great benefit to taxpayers.
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Kev, the unemployment roles are skewed. There are plenty of folks, like me, that have disappeared off of the unemployment roles. After six months, maybe a year, they "go away" and don't count any more. If the Government actually counted who are TRULY unemployed, I think the figures would astound the Nation. Bear in mind, I was pretty much unemployed for seven years.
7 years, but wasn't that pretty much by decision? As for illegals, which job do you think they have, that you could fill? Working for a landscaping company? Chicken farm? It ain't like these guys are coming here with PhD's. ....and there's no job that you're qualified for that they could fill.
Who gives a **** if they are working or where they work.....a mexican with nine kids that only makes $8 an hour is still living off the system...they are sucking up things like medicaid and food stamps....
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Who gives a **** if they are working or where they work.....a mexican with nine kids that only makes $8 an hour is still living off the system...they are sucking up things like medicaid and food stamps....
..and I TOTALLY disagree with those bastards getting ANY government aid. I don't remember saying I did.
As for what should happen, damn right they need to all be sent home. However, we need to put in place a system that allows more Hispanics to come to the country legally. Right now they're on a quota, just as everyone else is. These people pose no threat, other than the MS-13 thugs who are here illegally and almost always NOT Mexican, as it was founded in CENTRAL America. I've ALWAYS advocated that.
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As for what should happen, damn right they need to all be sent home. However, we need to put in place a system that allows more Hispanics to come to the country legally.
Why just Hispanics? I say we should allow more Asians and Indians to immigrate. We've seen what illegal Hispanics have done.
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However, we need to put in place a system that allows more Hispanics to come to the country legally.
There is already. They just don't like to follow the rules, this includes the ****ers that hire them.
Alot of very talented skilled trades workers in Vegas that are sitting at home laid off, due to the guest workers that are willing to do things like climb up on a moving crane and "oil it".....just one project alone has already had 12 deaths....fall prevention programs and being tied off started to become things of the past....now OSHA is camped out at the job site...which is costing the taxpayers more money....on top of all the uninsured illegals that have been getting hurt...
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As for what should happen, damn right they need to all be sent home. However, we need to put in place a system that allows more Hispanics to come to the country legally.
Why just Hispanics? I say we should allow more Asians and Indians to immigrate. We've seen what illegal Hispanics have done.
Most Asians and Indians seem to follow the laws already in place.
Mexicans have no respect for our laws.....**** em....send the ****ers home....and their kids....
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Why just Hispanics? I say we should allow more Asians and Indians to immigrate. We've seen what illegal Hispanics have done.
Not a problem. As for Asians and Indians, you do realize they have their problems as well, right? Try being a contractor and getting paid by an Indian. Asians also have problems with gangs.
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Most Asians and Indians seem to follow the laws already in place.
Mexicans have no respect for our laws.....**** em....send the ****ers home....and their kids....
Mexicans? As in all Mexicans? I know a ton that know the law. Many served alongside me in the US Military protecting this country.
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Most Asians and Indians seem to follow the laws already in place.
Mexicans have no respect for our laws.....**** em....send the ****ers home....and their kids....
Mexicans? As in all Mexicans? I know a ton that know the law. Many served alongside me in the US Military protecting this country.
Not all mexicans, the illegal mexicans...which is alot of them. :-)
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This seems to be the growing trend.
Anyone see the story from Virginia where a legal immigrant put a huge billboard on his yard attacking the county and the U.S. for its heavy handed policy of deporting illegals?
I hope this is a ground swell movement and keeps getting bigger and bigger.
It's time for AMERICANS to take back their country.
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As for what should happen, damn right they need to all be sent home. However, we need to put in place a system that allows more Hispanics to come to the country legally.
Why just Hispanics? I say we should allow more Asians and Indians to immigrate. We've seen what illegal Hispanics have done.
Most Asians and Indians seem to follow the laws already in place.
Mexicans have no respect for our laws.....**** em....send the ****ers home....and their kids....
Alot of them don't respect their laws ,not even alot of theri own cops and Government employees so it would be reasonable to assume that those that came here wouldn't respect ours either.
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This seems to be the growing trend.
Anyone see the story from Virginia where a legal immigrant put a huge billboard on his yard attacking the county and the U.S. for its heavy handed policy of deporting illegals?
I hope this is a ground swell movement and keeps getting bigger and bigger.
It's time for AMERICANS to take back their country.
Yeah, I seen the idiot with the billboard.
They should send him back just for being stupid.
If city by city, starts to crack down, we will all be in alot better shape.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
They got here on their own...let 'em get out on their own. Cut off all support, and they'll leave like cockroaches when the light's turned on.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
It would save us money in the long run.
I would not ever expect to see 100% enforcement.....many will still get away with it. But if we at least start to "crack down" I think we would see many do as you suggest....stay home or do it legally...
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Used to be that immigrants were among the best and brightest of the origin country. We can thank Ted Kennedy for drafting legislation that allowed the dregs of society from the other countries to come here. (That's for the LEGAL immigrants) As far as the ILLEGAL immigrants, they deserve little or nothing. Punish the modern day slave owners (Corporations that hire illegals at substandard wages) and they'll start getting the message.
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If this goes through who's going to work at the Hormels meatpacking plant?
They could raise the hourly wage a few bucks and see who applies.
Hormel used illegals to bust the union (not a union fan, but at least they were getting paid decently) in Iowa and elsewhere over a decade ago.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
If the magnet which attracts them to come here in the first place [employers who are willing to hire them] is removed from the equation, they will be less likely to come here.
I'd like to see a 100 fold increase in the crackdowns on employers. The government should get the word out to all businesses that they run the risk of getting hit with a fine EQUAL to the worth of their company if they hire an illegal. Then make a very public example of several of those companies, so the rest will get the idea that the government is serious as a heartattack, then following it up with more just as public raids to keep employers off balance.
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You know, I've thought about this for a while, and this will probably please WE, but if these illegals are hurting our economy so much, I.e. takings jobs, why are we at 5.5% unemployment?
I didn't really care about them at all until they started marching, whining for the U.S. to support them and flying the Mexican flag and rallies.
If they think it is so bad here, let them sneak back across the border.
Then, of course, our border patrol agents are sitting in prison for shooting at a drug runner because the Mexican Government wanted it.
Plus the proliferation of MS13 all over.
No thanks. They don't bring that much to the table. It is like Juan McCainez claiming to be a tax cutter but pro-Global Warming(TM) restrictions which will probably bankrupt the country beyond any raise in taxes.
I am all for legal immigration but I could care less about people who break into the country. We don't need illegals to bankrupt the country, that is a job Congress and both presidential candidates are all to eager to do.
Plus a country has a duty to control it's borders.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
Didn't that work in Oklahoma? I think Mexico was pleading that there were too many Mexicans in Mexico now.
Mexico is the problem. They don't want to change to give their own people more opportunities and then want us to change. If Mexico surrenders to the US, fine, then we might be able to make something out of it. But they want us to surrender to them, which makes no sense.
A country is only as great as it's people which says a lot about Mexico, IMO.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
Didn't that work in Oklahoma? I think Mexico was pleading that there were too many Mexicans in Mexico now.
Mexico is the problem. They don't want to change to give their own people more opportunities and then want us to change. If Mexico surrenders to the US, fine, then we might be able to make something out of it. But they want us to surrender to them, which makes no sense.
A country is only as great as it's people which says a lot about Mexico, IMO.
The Mexican people are not so much the problem. You have to remember it is a very young country and the government was pretty well established before the people could really take control like they wanted, They are slowly wresting control back but it is a very stepwise process -- they have a lot of stupid libs also who make the creation of non-corrupt establishments very difficult.
The Mexican people are very hard working and a good people. But they have a ways to go yet to dig out of 3rd wold status.
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Proposed ban on illegal immigrants stirs uproar in Fremont
A proposed law aimed at banishing illegal immigrants from Fremont, Neb., would require every renter — whether they were born in the United States or immigrated here — to obtain an occupancy license through the city.
The proposal has sparked an outcry among advocates for Latinos. Nebraska Appleseed attorney Norm Pflanz said he is confident many Fremont citizens will join in opposition once they understand the full impact of the ordinance — on their lives as well as those of immigrants.
Fremont's is the first city council in the state to propose an ordinance that would ban harboring and renting to illegal immigrants. Lawmakers in other U.S. localities have introduced similar initiatives, often later struck down by the courts, according to national immigration groups.
Bob Warner, the longtime councilman who sponsored Fremont's proposal, said he did so because residents were "sick and tired" of what he said was the federal government's lax enforcement of immigration laws.
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The Nebraska Mexican-American Commission issued a statement on Thursday saying it was disappointed with "racial and anti-immigrant remarks" made at the Fremont council meeting. Tuesday was the first opportunity for the public to speak about the ordinance.
Angel Freytez, commission spokesman, said some opponents of the ban left the meeting early because they felt there was inadequate security. One opponent of the ordinance later broke into tears because of the "hateful" statements, said Freytez, who called the behavior at the meeting "shameful."
"Instead of raising the level of dialogue over the immigration issue," Freytez said, "they are degrading it."
MORE (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10378811)
Liberals still don't understand the word "ILLEGAL". :whatever: :banghead:
While I agree with the objective of this proposed ordnance ordinance (sorry, wishful thinking on my part) the manner in which they propose going about achieving that goal ABSOLUTELY FROSTS me.
...would require every renter — whether they were born in the United States or immigrated here — to obtain an occupancy license through the city.
In other words, lets make LEGAL RESIDENTS, and NATIVE and NATURALIZED CITIZENS jump through YET ANOTHER bureaucratic hoop in order to say we're making things harder on the fraction of the population that AREN'T HERE LEGALLY! :thatsright: Only a career politician or bureaucrat could have come up with an idea this stupid! No, I take that back: only a career politician or bureaucrat could have thought that this was a GOOD IDEA when the brain-dead asshole heard it! :censored: :banghead: :censored: :hammer: :loser:
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Def6, While I tend to agree with your sentiments, I would rather go and get a license to live in a place than to allow that place to be "infested" with people that are criminals. It's a documented fact that illegals bring crime with them. At my current place in Texas, a Mexican couple moved in next door. One is probably legally here and the other is probably not. According to my girlfriend, there has NEVER been any problems in the neighborhood, EVER. Since they've moved in, vehicles are getting broken into, gasoline has been siphoned out, and even homes have been burglarized since. While it's probably NOT that particular couple, they are bringing visitors into the neighborhood. Perhaps I'm wrong to assume that they're the problem, but no problems ever happened until their arrival.
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Def6, While I tend to agree with your sentiments, I would rather go and get a license to live in a place than to allow that place to be "infested" with people that are criminals. It's a documented fact that illegals bring crime with them. At my current place in Texas, a Mexican couple moved in next door. One is probably legally here and the other is probably not. According to my girlfriend, there has NEVER been any problems in the neighborhood, EVER. Since they've moved in, vehicles are getting broken into, gasoline has been siphoned out, and even homes have been burglarized since. While it's probably NOT that particular couple, they are bringing visitors into the neighborhood. Perhaps I'm wrong to assume that they're the problem, but no problems ever happened until their arrival.
So do it the way that Texas city did it. Make it so that the property owner or manager actually check the documents they're taking against the credit check they invariably run these days. Make it a crime to rent to one who's documents can't prove US citizenship or legal residency. And then prosecute those who are caught trying to circumvent the law.
Don't use the anti-gun whack job's template of making it more difficult for the law abiding to exercise their right - in this case, to enter into contracts freely - just to say you're making it harder for the criminal.
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Def6, While I tend to agree with your sentiments, I would rather go and get a license to live in a place than to allow that place to be "infested" with people that are criminals. It's a documented fact that illegals bring crime with them. At my current place in Texas, a Mexican couple moved in next door. One is probably legally here and the other is probably not. According to my girlfriend, there has NEVER been any problems in the neighborhood, EVER. Since they've moved in, vehicles are getting broken into, gasoline has been siphoned out, and even homes have been burglarized since. While it's probably NOT that particular couple, they are bringing visitors into the neighborhood. Perhaps I'm wrong to assume that they're the problem, but no problems ever happened until their arrival.
So do it the way that Texas city did it. Make it so that the property owner or manager actually check the documents they're taking against the credit check they invariably run these days. Make it a crime to rent to one who's documents can't prove US citizenship or legal residency. And then prosecute those who are caught trying to circumvent the law.
Don't use the anti-gun whack job's template of making it more difficult for the law abiding to exercise their right - in this case, to enter into contracts freely - just to say you're making it harder for the criminal.
Actually, that Texas town, Farmer's Branch, is getting sued. The suit is based on discrimination, IIR. The way that Fremont is approaching it is not "discriminatory" and will probably stand as a law. I would RATHER that it would go the way that Farmer's Branch is doing it, but we won't know for a while if that's truly "legal".
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
If the magnet which attracts them to come here in the first place [employers who are willing to hire them] is removed from the equation, they will be less likely to come here.
I'd like to see a 100 fold increase in the crackdowns on employers. The government should get the word out to all businesses that they run the risk of getting hit with a fine EQUAL to the worth of their company if they hire an illegal. Then make a very public example of several of those companies, so the rest will get the idea that the government is serious as a heartattack, then following it up with more just as public raids to keep employers off balance.
The problem with that is then you have govt promulagated wholesale discrimination of minorities(primarily mexicans or Hispanic peoples). Would you run the risk of loosing your company for unknowingly hiring an illegal ? I wouldn't and I venture many others wouldn't either. Sure the companies that "Knowingly" hire illegals should be penalized. The problem is proving knowingly.
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
If the magnet which attracts them to come here in the first place [employers who are willing to hire them] is removed from the equation, they will be less likely to come here.
I'd like to see a 100 fold increase in the crackdowns on employers. The government should get the word out to all businesses that they run the risk of getting hit with a fine EQUAL to the worth of their company if they hire an illegal. Then make a very public example of several of those companies, so the rest will get the idea that the government is serious as a heartattack, then following it up with more just as public raids to keep employers off balance.
The problem with that is then you have govt promulagated wholesale discrimination of minorities(primarily mexicans or Hispanic peoples). Would you run the risk of loosing your company for unknowingly hiring an illegal ? I wouldn't and I venture many others wouldn't either. Sure the companies that "Knowingly" hire illegals should be penalized. The problem is proving knowingly.
Yup, and the system Fremont has in place will protect the landlords. They won't have to do background checks/verify citizenship.
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Def6, While I tend to agree with your sentiments, I would rather go and get a license to live in a place than to allow that place to be "infested" with people that are criminals. It's a documented fact that illegals bring crime with them. At my current place in Texas, a Mexican couple moved in next door. One is probably legally here and the other is probably not. According to my girlfriend, there has NEVER been any problems in the neighborhood, EVER. Since they've moved in, vehicles are getting broken into, gasoline has been siphoned out, and even homes have been burglarized since. While it's probably NOT that particular couple, they are bringing visitors into the neighborhood. Perhaps I'm wrong to assume that they're the problem, but no problems ever happened until their arrival.
So do it the way that Texas city did it. Make it so that the property owner or manager actually check the documents they're taking against the credit check they invariably run these days. Make it a crime to rent to one who's documents can't prove US citizenship or legal residency. And then prosecute those who are caught trying to circumvent the law.
Don't use the anti-gun whack job's template of making it more difficult for the law abiding to exercise their right - in this case, to enter into contracts freely - just to say you're making it harder for the criminal.
Actually, that Texas town, Farmer's Branch, is getting sued. The suit is based on discrimination, IIR. The way that Fremont is approaching it is not "discriminatory" and will probably stand as a law. I would RATHER that it would go the way that Farmer's Branch is doing it, but we won't know for a while if that's truly "legal".
When I was renting houses or apartments, invariably I'd have to supply photo ID and a Socialist Security card so that the property manager could run my credit. Additionally, I'd usually have to list the places I'd lived for the last 5-10 years so they could run a background check. My understanding is that this is common practice, and has been for years.
So then, how is it discrimination to refuse to rent an apartment or house to someone who wouldn't provide identification necessary for the credit check and background check, or alternately who's residence history provided on the application does not match up with the history generated by the records checks - as would be likely if the identification documents used were stolen, or forged. They'd stop me - the white guy - from renting there if I'd "lied on my rental application". What makes me different from the illegal aliens, except they have organizations like La Raza to file frivolous lawsuits claiming discrimination, and accuse as racists the property owners, property managers, and the beleaguered city governments run into absolute bankruptsy by illegal aliens milking the "safety net" for every dime they can get?
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Growing up we always had migrant workers show up here. A few in the spring to prepare the fields and plant potatos/corm /pumpkins/ ete and tend the fields. In the late summer and fall there would be a big influx for the harvest. Then they'd move on, back to GA, FL, MS etc. for their winter jobs. A tiny minority were "south of the border" folk, working mostly in hotel/motel/restaurants. There were a number who were Portugese, who worked the fishing fleet in the summer. There were always a number of illegals among them.
About 20 years ago the profile had changed completely. The migrants, mostly Americans and mostly black, had been automated out of a job, as well as the shrinking land dedicated to agriculture. The migrantr workers stopped migrating, many setteling here perminately , and joining the community. Still mostly laborers, but now tradesman/women and as good to have as neighbors as anyone else.
Now, however, we had lots and lots of south of the border illegal migrants working the menial resort jobs, basic lawn care, and basic construction, as that's all there was available. These were/are illegals because the State Dept. refuses to issue seasonal green cards appropriately. Many working for the former American migrrant farm workers. The economy has successfully switched to "resort" from "mixed" . Remember too that every single local HS or College students who wanted a seasonal job could get one. I normally had two, one 7:30 to 4:30 plus a "tips only" thing nights. Normally, parking cars, running a marine "free" taxi, getting the Sunday NYTimes to the Marina's Yachtsmen, and so on. BTW, these still exist today and garner good money.
But there is a shortage of kids , so first choice is the Irish students, who loved working here summers. No permits anymore. Plus, there are simply far too few woodbutcher etc candidates graduating from the local schools. They are LEAVING for areas where they can made a living and afford to buy a home.
Legal workes unavailable, the choice is go illegal or go out of business.
So, what's the solution? A number of things need to be done together. Increase the seasonal greencard availability appropriately by LOCAL, not just a projected national number, arrest and deport the FELONS among the illegal AND legal aliens, break the back of organized crime gangs based on ethnic /racial identity, invenory those illegals remaing here and have a real national debate on how to deal with these remaining, close the southern border to illegal infultration, look more closely at the northen border, summers mostly, force an end to "sancuary" cities, and other attainable goals.
Some will self deport, some we might agree can stay, some we might ship home , but we must recognise that this will take YEARS to complete, as we are discussing 12 million (gvt numbers, I suspect 20 million) who need to have a resolution one way or the other. A very large number of whom cannot simply rounded up and shipped out without crippling many communities economies.
I see no easy answers here, but a long drawn out
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I can't even imagine what it would cost to round up all illegals and send them home. Making things uncomfortable enough that they choose to follow the path to citizenship, or just stay home, is the more reasonable thing to do. It is very wrong to simply allow law-breakers to stay while those following the laws and trying to emigrate legally are turned away and forced to wait.
Didn't that work in Oklahoma? I think Mexico was pleading that there were too many Mexicans in Mexico now.
Mexico is the problem. They don't want to change to give their own people more opportunities and then want us to change. If Mexico surrenders to the US, fine, then we might be able to make something out of it. But they want us to surrender to them, which makes no sense.
A country is only as great as it's people which says a lot about Mexico, IMO.
The Mexican people are not so much the problem. You have to remember it is a very young country and the government was pretty well established before the people could really take control like they wanted, They are slowly wresting control back but it is a very stepwise process -- they have a lot of stupid libs also who make the creation of non-corrupt establishments very difficult.
The Mexican people are very hard working and a good people. But they have a ways to go yet to dig out of 3rd wold status.
I will defer to your opinion even though I think it is very telling when people break into another country, start marching in the streets for rights but do nothing to improve the situation in their own country while still flying that countries flag in the nation they invaded, but it still doesn't help that our government wants to capitulate to the corrupt Mexican government.
Our country will also diminish a little as we allow ingrates who ran away from their problems at home tell us how we should act toward them as they hook up with our own homegrown ingrates who hate their own country.
But you may be right, all the chaos in the border towns and assassinations of law officers and kidnappings may be the actions of a good, hardworking people who bring latino street gangs to our cities and towns. While they worship St. Death.
I don't really know, it just seems to me that if America is great because if its people and in spite of its government then Mexico is like Mexico is because of it's people and probably helped along by its government...But you are probably right.