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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on November 11, 2014, 06:36:38 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025795773
Oh my.
The primitives are getting out their long knives, early.
Bettie (1,335 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:06 AM
Hilary Supporters: Convince Me (EDIT for clarity: This is in reference to Primaries)
EDIT: I am talking about PRIMARIES, not the general election. I go under the assumption that as Democrats, we will all vote and work for the eventual nominee.
Tell me why she is the very BEST the party has to offer. Pretend I've never heard of her.
Make your case as to why she's the candidate we need to win in 2016.
What would she do (or try to do) for those of us who are not already wealthy? How would she work for the people, not the corporate persons?
This is the caveat though:
"She can raise a billion dollars" doesn't convince me at all. It simply means that she's one of the favored of the 1%.
"Wall Street loves her" isn't an argument that works for me either, since they are a large part of the reason our economy crashed! It also, again, makes the argument that she's the candidate of the 1%.
I'm actually wondering if there are other arguments out there beyond these two. I've seen them over and over and no one really comes up with anything else except that it's her "turn".
Long thread, so only a few primitive comments, selected at random:
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:19 AM
6. "1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program."
These seem anecdotal, not particularly meaningful. Feel-good rhetoric.
OTOH, not all of the lines on your link are positive.
Interesting.
Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued AR. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:15 AM
4. We must vote for Hillary to avoid a Republican from winning.
That's all I ever hear, that and the "on the issues" link, which isn't that impressive, frankly.
Votes with Democrats most of the time. Big Whoop.
Where is she on preserving and growing Social Security?
Where is she on restoring higher level taxes on corporations and the 1%?
Where is she on protecting American jobs from unfair foreign competition?
belzabubba333 (412 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:19 AM
5. where do you think hill's republicans opponent is on those issues
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:21 AM
8. Theirs probably matches hers.
Doesn't matter, they aren't going to be running in the primary.
I have my eye on true FDR Democrats and Progressives.
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:33 AM
22. If Warren gets the ticket, all that Hillary support goes to her in the General Election
And Warren's message resonates with people of both parties, all ages, working and middle class.
^^^ :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Bettie (1,335 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:20 AM
7. This is my point
None of her supporters are willing to discuss anything other than that link and her ability to raise lots of money.
People who support Warren and Sanders, for example, are quite willing to discuss their reasons.
For me, it isn't not accepting her supporters, it is wanting to know why, personally, they want to see her as the only primary candidate.
And, I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but I have serious reservations about her.
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:25 AM
11. I agree. Name recognition and the ability to draw financing.
IMO, her positions are middle of the road for a Democrat. It's not hard to vigorously support gay marriage, abortion rights, immigration reform. Woo Hoo.
Where is she REALLY on the things that really push the wealth of this country back to the people who create it?
Crickets.
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:32 AM
19. Citizens United? ‘I would consider’ anti-Citizens United amendment." WTF?
And people are worried about supreme court appointees?
On Citizens United:
Hillary Clinton: ‘I would consider’ anti-Citizens United amendment
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-citizens-united-constitutional-amendment
In other words, don't expect any action on my part to change this.
riderinthestorm (16,703 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:22 AM
9. Elizabeth Warren is the best our party has to offer but if Hillary's the nominee, I'll vote
Because the Supreme Court has now become so politicized, its imperative the next appointments are Democratic.
So the reason to vote for Hillary in my view: the Supreme Court
NYC_SKP (62,808 posts) Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:30 AM
16. That might make sense in the general elections, what about the primaries?
And, I'm not sure her choices for Supreme would be any more progressive than her choices in free trade agreements.
On Citizens United:
Hillary Clinton: ‘I would consider’ anti-Citizens United amendment
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-citizens-united-constitutional-amendment
In other words, don't expect any action on my part to change this.
Skippy's going to be in San Diego today (Tuesday); one wonders if he'll stop in to pay a visit to nadin, to urge her to return to Skins's island.
<<<also wonders what topless striptease joints down there Skippy's going to visit; he's into that sort of thing.
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Hey DUmmtards, your preferences are utterly irrelevant to the outcome of the DemonRat primaries. You guys are just the holding pen for the hospice, especially if one of your arch-Socialist sooper-geniuser-than-you social engineer Woodrow-Wilson-wannabees like Lizzie ends up in office.
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Tell me why she is the very BEST the party has to offer. Pretend I've never heard of her.
The DUmmies won't admit it, but Hillary's name recognition is her big draw for voters. The low info voter base of the Democraticks haven't got a clue about Hillary, but they know her name.
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They went with a black man for the white guilt vote last time so they're going for the bitchy old woman feminist stupidity vote this time.
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They went with a black man for the white guilt vote last time so they're going for the bitchy old woman feminist stupidity vote this time.
Purty much...
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They went with a black man for the white guilt vote last time so they're going for the bitchy old woman feminist stupidity vote this time.
Democrat primaries could have a hell of a field:
The Hildebeast
Fauxcohontas
Abortion Barbie
Slow Joe
Crazy Bernie
All they need is that nut in black gloves yelling about the rent being too damn high.
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All they need is that nut in black gloves yelling about the rent being too damn high.
Jimmy McMillan? He makes more sense than any of the other candidates you mentioned, and he's a complete loon.
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I hope Al Sharpton gives it another shot. Nothing like another clown to round out the circus.
I don't think he actually campaigned, he just showed up for debates and pocketed the campaign contributions.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbaR4SBAr4s[/youtube]
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I hope Al Sharpton gives it another shot. Nothing like another clown to round out the circus.
"Another clown, to round out the circus?"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lhGY7kr41I[/youtube]
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"Another clown, to round out the circus?"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lhGY7kr41I[/youtube]
ha ha ha... touche.