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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on October 29, 2014, 09:29:56 AM
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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 10:56 PM
CK_John (6,930 posts)
It's time to bring up my favorite issue, reduce SocSec age to 50yr.
Raising the minimum wage is not the answer although needed, when productivity is not producing enough jobs for the adult population.
Technology is replacing workers faster than the population is coming of age, thus we need to provide a safety net at an earlier age.
You are one stupid sumbitch.
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 10:57 PM
lonestarnot (72,820 posts)
1. Works for me!
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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:01 PM
Kalidurga (5,704 posts)
5. That's what I have been sayin for a long time.
Increasing the retirement age will have a negative impact on the economy IMO by creating a larger work force. Even worse a lot of people who work very physical jobs are going to develop a need for more government services as they will become disabled in addition to being elderly.
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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:02 PM
Star Member Recursion (34,594 posts)
7. What the hell is the point of technology otherwise?
As always, a great idea.
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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:04 PM
Travis_0004 (1,962 posts)
9. Wouldnt that bankrupt social security overnight.
If the life expectancy of a 65 year old is 84, if you lower the cap to 50 you would come close to doubling social securities expenses. Even removing the cap on earnings wouldnt come close to closing the gap.
Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:08 AM
CK_John (6,930 posts)
18. Money appears when decided it is needed, like for 13 yrs of war. nt
I take it back,stupid is a step up for you.
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:05 PM
joeglow3 (5,563 posts)
10. Why not make it 40?
Response to joeglow3 (Reply #10)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:10 AM
CK_John (6,930 posts)
19. Let's not make perfection the enemy of the possible.
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Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:05 PM
Politicalboi (12,165 posts)
11. That's a great idea
And I wish they would, but since they haven't, we 50+ year olds need a living wage. If you're 50 or over your starting pay should be at least $15.00 an hour. Let the government make up the $5.00 difference if need be if minimum wage is $10.10
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:07 PM
Live and Learn (3,482 posts)
12. And reduce the work week. nt
Response to Hoyt (Reply #14)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:30 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (18,339 posts)
28. There are countries that provide a base income for ALL of their citizens....
The problem is here in America we believe that people are LAZY and have to be FORCED to go to work under threat of total ruin.
Read your fellow scum...you are LAZY.
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:05 AM
Star Member closeupready (23,113 posts)
17. I agree. The winning negotiator ALWAYS starts off demanding rainbows,
and ends up accepting 'fuchsia-free rainbows', as a 'compromise'. If we push for an age of 50, I could live with an age 55 compromise. K&R
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:32 AM
Star Member SheilaT (16,102 posts)
29. 50 is ludicrously young.
Unless you figure at 50 you'd get about 5 percent of the payout at age 65. That might make sense.
Especially if someone goes to college and then grad school and doesn't actually enter the workforce until age 30. Do you really think twenty years of work will be enough to pay for fifty years of retirement?
Response to SheilaT (Reply #29)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:41 AM
Star Member former9thward (12,042 posts)
30. No one ever cares about the math in these type of threads.
They think there is a pot of gold somewhere
Killjoy
Response to CK_John (Original post)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:41 AM
jtuck004 (9,303 posts)
31. Would this create opportunity? People don't just want checks, they want self-respect too.
As far back as people are they want something to do.
For a while they might go fishing, but soon they will turn on you.
Look around your cesspool,the only opportunity you DUmbasses want is to get a check for nothing and smoke dope all day.
Worthless parasites.
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Kalidurga (5,704 posts)
5. That's what I have been sayin for a long time.
Increasing the retirement age will have a negative impact on the economy IMO by creating a larger work force.
Are these the same people who insist we open our borders?
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And the atomically stupid dummies demand we let Juan and Abdul come here in massive numbers to work the jobs they are too lazy to perform.
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Seeing that I just turned 50 . . .
. . . I'm diametrically opposed to the DUmmie in the OP on this.
I want SS to be there for my parents. They busted their collective fourth points of contact for my three siblings and I, so maybe it's time we did it for them.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #14)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:30 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (18,339 posts)
28. There are countries that provide a base income for ALL of their citizens....
The problem is here in America we believe that people are LAZY and have to be FORCED to go to work under threat of total ruin.
Now, I wonder how we could possibly have gotten that idea?
:lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :lmao:
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Ask not what you can do for your country but what freebies your country can give you.
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These threads by the DUmmies always piss me off.
KC
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These threads by the DUmmies always piss me off.
KC
The average tax rate for the lowest quintile in the US is negative. The average tax rate for the same level of income in most European countries is about 40%.
You want Europe, DUmmies? Pay taxes.
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I say let's make SS minimum age 50. If you decide to retire on your SS benefits at 50 you get $50 a month and are not ineligible for any other government perks until you reach 65 or become permanently disabled due to events you are not responsible for.
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The average tax rate for the lowest quintile in the US is negative. The average tax rate for the same level of income in most European countries is about 40%.
You want Europe, DUmmies? Pay taxes.
That is something the DUmmies think about when they want to go back to the 90% tax rate of the 1950's. Everyone paid some taxes if they worked and had income. Even people making as little as $1000/year paid income taxes.
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To hell with it, why bother working at all?
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That is something the DUmmies think about when they want to go back to the 90% tax rate of the 1950's. Everyone paid some taxes if they worked and had income. Even people making as little as $1000/year paid income taxes.
And nobody, but nobody--not even that rich old fart Joseph Kennedy--paid anything like 90% in income taxes.....in fact, because of loopholes, the rich actually paid a lower percentage than the poor.
Marjorie Merriweather Post, for example, with millions in income each year during the late 1950s, early 1960s, paid.....zero in taxes. Not a cent.
That "90%" rate was a joke. It was there, but nobody had to pay it.
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And nobody, but nobody--not even that rich old fart Joseph Kennedy--paid anything like 90% in income taxes.....in fact, because of loopholes, the rich actually paid a lower percentage than the poor.
Marjorie Merriweather Post, for example, with millions in income each year during the late 1950s, early 1960s, paid.....zero in taxes. Not a cent.
That "90%" rate was a joke. It was there, but nobody had to pay it.
But it made them "feel" good to think the rich were paying it.
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The average tax rate for the lowest quintile in the US is negative. The average tax rate for the same level of income in most European countries is about 40%.
You want Europe, DUmmies? Pay taxes.
I agree BFDU and with everyone else above. EVERYONE needs some skin in the game. When you can simply vote yourself a raise without any repercussions at ALL, it's time to do something.
Either those who pay no federal tax get banned from voting or they get some skin in the game.
KC