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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on October 23, 2014, 10:43:04 AM
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Hillary running on the victim card in 2016?
mfcorey1 (4,987 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025702437
Shame on Monica Lewinsky[snip]
Ignore the fact that she was patently not the primary victim in the Zippergate affair (poor Hillary Clinton was) or that any comparison with someone suffering a disease, especially at a time when people are dropping dead from Ebola, is tasteless in the extreme.
O-)
And, of course, this will be embarrassing for Hillary Clinton. Lewinsky has joined Twitter, which will allow her to make uncensored remarks in the course of the 2016 campaign. And Lewinsky has also lashed out at the way the White House machine trashed her in its desire to protect Bill Clinton's reputation (as it was paid to do -- she had an affair with the President of the United States, not an anonymous bank manager no one gave a damn about)
Oh for ****'s face... Hillary might as well start wearing sack cloth and dump ashes on her head...
Hekate (26,391 posts)
3. I'm was kind of hoping this was some sort of ploy to get the Monica story out of the way early...
...so we wouldn't have to hear it breathlessly retold from the RW shills in 2015-2016.
But yeah, she's in a class by herself alright. I'm sorry for her troubles and all, but there are some mistakes that a person pretty much pays for the rest of their life, and this seems to have been in that category. "Monica â¤ï¸ Bill" was not a love story; it was the story of two people of vastly unequal status using each other.
She was young and dumb. I was once that young, but I was never that dumb. There's a part of me that feels sorry for her...but... I don't want to hear from her again. Once was enough.
compassion. not a word the DUmpmonkiez understand or use.
Fumesucker (37,643 posts)
4. Yes, Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story and Lewinsky is the Evil Hussy who seduced him
Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful.
If Clinton had been a Republican president Lewinsky would be universally seen as purely the victim here on DU.
:o oooooo..... maybe we are gonna see a fight?!?
muriel_volestrangler (73,865 posts)
7. Doesn't look like it paints Bill Clinton as a 'golden boy' at all; it is pro-*Hillary* It calls Hillary the victim of the affair. I think this is its main message about the Clintons: "Does Hillary Clinton not have a right to put this scandal behind her and have a political identity separate from her husband's?"
Meh...
muriel_volestrangler (73,865 posts)
34. Strange that you bring that up when talking about an article not on DU
"Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story" would seem, then, to be false.
"Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful" seems, from #25, to be aimed at one or more DUers, not the article writer. Or are you saying that a woman is not allowed to forgive her husband? Do you see Hillary as guilty for not leaving Bill?
better...
Divernan (11,546 posts)
52. A wife who stays w/ a serial adulterer for political power and prestige?
What's not to love!?!? (sarcasm). Fooled her (HRC) once, shame on him; fooled her over and over and over again for decades? Shame on her! I fully empathize with giving someone a second chance - but not 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I can even understand and empathize with wives who stay with a serial adulterer because they lack the self-confidence, education, resources, and or ability to support themselves post divorce, or whose children would face a significant reduction in quality of life if adulterous daddy is kicked out. That was not the case with HRC. With a law degree from Yale? Gimme a break! When Bill was Governor of Arkansas and she was with a prestigious law firm, Bill joked that she was supporting the family.
No wife has ever been so publicly, brutally and internationally humiliated by a husband's philandering. Where is her self-respect? What has tolerating such humiliation done to her psychology? I think it explains her aggression. She's displaced what she'd like to do to her husband to being a war-monger, and documenting political enemies as targets for her eventual revenge.
An unguarded look into the Clintons
Blair's documents give an unguarded look into the lives of Hillary and Bill Clinton, from Bill Clinton's days as Arkansas governor and rising Democratic star to the couple's time in the White House, warts and all.
Blair wrote in her diary that Hillary Clinton called Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who nearly brought down her husband's presidency, a "narcissistic loony toon." Hillary Clinton defended her husband's adultery by saying it was caused, partly, because "the ugly forces started making up hateful things about them, pounding on them."
Diary: Hillary kept records for 'revenge'
Blair also noted a 1994 conversation in which the first lady asked her for advice on "how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular." When asked why she wanted to keep the documents, Clinton replied, "Revenge."
Confidante's diary: Hillary wanted to preserve records for 'revenge'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/17/politics/diane-blair-hillary-clinton-documents/
:rotf:
Dorian Gray (8,375 posts)
11. I'm uncomfortable
with all the vitriol thrown at her because of this.
Having said that, I have no idea what rolling her story out does to HILLARY. It's an unfair tarring and feathering of her in this election cycle. She was not the perpetrator, and if it affects her it sucks. She (Hillary) should be judged solely on her own governing record, and not as the wife of Bill Clinton during his "affair" with Monica Lewinsky.
weak...
Justice (4,634 posts)
26. "Can't wrap my mind around the fact that author considers Hillary to be the main victim"
Really, why not? I don't think Hillary is responsible for the affair or the leak of the affair - aside from Chelsea, why isn't Hillary the main victim on a personal level?
weaker...
Warren DeMontague (57,746 posts)
44. ...Didn't give a shit in 1998
definitely don't now.
:thatsright:
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Dorian Gray (8,375 posts)
She was not the perpetrator,
Prove it. Hillary likes it wet and hairy, just like Bill.
and if it affects her it sucks.
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
She (Hillary) should be judged solely on her own governing record
Namely, "none".
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The Democrat War on Women...any women who don't STFU after putting out for their icons, that is.
She (Hillary) should be judged solely on her own governing record
Dodging snipers in the Balkans? The 'Reset' fiasco? The glorious successes of Arab Spring, bringing jihadists and turmoil to an area that had been quiet for thirty years? The essentially-pointless air war in Libya? The Benghazi clusterf*ck? The lack of any real effort to negotiate a stabilization and training force in Iraq?
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Lewinsky has joined Twitter, which will allow her to make uncensored remarks in the course of the 2016 campaign.
Sounds like that DUmmie doesn't believe in freedom of speech. :rofl:
muriel_volestrangler (73,865 posts)
7. Doesn't look like it paints Bill Clinton as a 'golden boy' at all; it is pro-*Hillary* It calls Hillary the victim of the affair. I think this is its main message about the Clintons: "Does Hillary Clinton not have a right to put this scandal behind her and have a political identity separate from her husband's?"
Really? No DUmmies ever attacked Laura Bush about the accident she had in high school?