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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: JakeStyle on October 03, 2014, 10:41:20 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025618408
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:16 PM
Veilex (991 posts)
Three women pass Marine Corps endurance test...
...paving way for possible first female graduates of infantry school
This is a really big deal. This is also very scary.
The infantry is a bastion of the cult of machismo. Nothing, and I mean nothing, exemplifies the pernicious impact that machismo has on young minds, than what occurs within the ranks of the infantry. How Would I know? Because I was an Infantryman.
Infantry life is brutal in a way most people don't understand. Not only is an infantryman trained to kill in a variety of ways, but Infantry are trained to dehumanize anything and everything that is not part of the chain of command... it makes target acquisition and killing easier. This goes so far as to have an inordinate number of cadence "hymns" that glorify killing, saturating the ground with the remains of your enemies, and overall teach that violence to get what you want is good. Add to that, every single infantryman is "encouraged" to attend church while in boot camp. Those who make the mistake of choosing not to go, nearly never do so again. Suffice it to say, the military takes a dim view of "heathens".
I'm encouraged to see women pass the infantry standard... but I'm also fearful of what could happen when, eventually, they are allowed to join the infantry. Allowing women to choose to be infantry needs to happen.
I just hope there are sufficient protections in place as women join what is perhaps the last "all-boys-club".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/03/three-women-pass-marine-corps-endurance-test-paving-way-for-possible-first-female-graduates-of-infantry-school/?tid=sm_fb
Response to Veilex (Original post)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:20 PM
Star Member NYC_SKP (61,924 posts)
1. Sounds like a description of a terrorist cult of violence and bigotry, something we should loathe.
Maybe it should be abolished.
We should have a department of peace.
Says the faggot that couldn't pass even the standard PFT.
Response to Veilex (Original post)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:25 PM
MADem (104,888 posts)
5. The military is changing. These young people aren't like the old paradigms.
I'm not fearful at all.
Rhonda Cornum (POW, retired as a BGEN) and Tammy Duckworth (Congresswoman, lost her legs in combat flying a helo), among many others, have demonstrated that women aren't lacking in the "moxie" department.
And no matter what some old fart bellowing at them says, young people today just aren't as sexist as their older counterparts. I think the most trouble the Army will have is from OLDER recruits--they're the ones who will have to get their act together and step up to the 21st Century.
As long as existing standards aen't lowered, I'm all for it.
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Standards are lowered. "In a report to Congress last June, the Marine Corps stated that its plans for women in land combat would involve “gender-neutral†standards. The “catch†was in the fine print. Footnotes explained that in physical-fitness tests, obstacle courses and combat-fitness tests, “gender-normed†requirements and scores would be used “to account for physiological differences between genders.â€
And: "Under the physical-fitness test that the Marines just suspended, for example, minimum requirements are the same, but men still have to do 20 pullups to earn a perfect score, compared to eight for women."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/12/donnelly-pullups-are-needed-to-avoid-a-battlefield/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/12/donnelly-pullups-are-needed-to-avoid-a-battlefield/?page=all)
Cindie
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Standards are lowered. "In a report to Congress last June, the Marine Corps stated that its plans for women in land combat would involve “gender-neutral†standards. The “catch†was in the fine print. Footnotes explained that in physical-fitness tests, obstacle courses and combat-fitness tests, “gender-normed†requirements and scores would be used “to account for physiological differences between genders.â€
And: "Under the physical-fitness test that the Marines just suspended, for example, minimum requirements are the same, but men still have to do 20 pullups to earn a perfect score, compared to eight for women."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/12/donnelly-pullups-are-needed-to-avoid-a-battlefield/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/12/donnelly-pullups-are-needed-to-avoid-a-battlefield/?page=all)
Cindie
What a stinking load of crap, I thought that if any service would refuse to knuckle under, it would be the Marines.
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If the military were run by the DU:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI[/youtube]
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What a stinking load of crap, I thought that if any service would refuse to knuckle under, it would be the Marines.
I don't think they will. They're going through the motions. 2016 will have another CinC. Regardless of what generic polls show now, the odds of Hillary or any other person with a D behind their name, winning is slim to none. Just because they're forced to let them in doesn't mean they'll end up seeing any action. Plenty of jobs for them to do without putting them in the middle of a battle.
Cindie
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MADem (104,888 posts)
5. The military is changing. These young people aren't like the old paradigms.
I'm not fearful at all.
Rhonda Cornum (POW, retired as a BGEN) and Tammy Duckworth (Congresswoman, lost her legs in combat flying a helo), among many others, have demonstrated that women aren't lacking in the "moxie" department.
And no matter what some old fart bellowing at them says, young people today just aren't as sexist as their older counterparts. I think the most trouble the Army will have is from OLDER recruits--they're the ones who will have to get their act together and step up to the 21st Century.
Oh, phucking puh-leeeeze............. :thatsright:
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:16 PM
Veilex (991 posts)
Three women pass Marine Corps endurance test...
...paving way for possible first female graduates of infantry school
This is a really big deal. This is also very scary.
The infantry is a bastion of the cult of machismo. Nothing, and I mean nothing, exemplifies the pernicious impact that machismo has on young minds, than what occurs within the ranks of the infantry. How Would I know? Because I was an Infantryman.
Infantry life is brutal in a way most people don't understand. Not only is an infantryman trained to kill in a variety of ways, but Infantry are trained to dehumanize anything and everything that is not part of the chain of command... it makes target acquisition and killing easier. This goes so far as to have an inordinate number of cadence "hymns" that glorify killing, saturating the ground with the remains of your enemies, and overall teach that violence to get what you want is good. Add to that, every single infantryman is "encouraged" to attend church while in boot camp. Those who make the mistake of choosing not to go, nearly never do so again. Suffice it to say, the military takes a dim view of "heathens". Absolute bullshit......
I'm encouraged to see women pass the infantry standard... but I'm also fearful of what could happen when, eventually, they are allowed to join the infantry. Allowing women to choose to be infantry needs to happen.
I just hope there are sufficient protections in place as women join what is perhaps the last "all-boys-club". Because that's all that matters right, infanty man?
Calling bullshit. :bouncy: This clown was not a grunt.
And: "Under the physical-fitness test that the Marines just suspended, for example, minimum requirements are the same, but men still have to do 20 pullups to earn a perfect score, compared to eight for women."
Been that way forever.
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I don't think they will. They're going through the motions. 2016 will have another CinC. Regardless of what generic polls show now, the odds of Hillary or any other person with a D behind their name, winning is slim to none. Just because they're forced to let them in doesn't mean they'll end up seeing any action. Plenty of jobs for them to do without putting them in the middle of a battle.
Cindie
I agree, Cindie. Matter of fact, I think that the Obamessiah knows this, and is busy 'poisoning the well' for Hillary.
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Maybe he was back in the early 70s or the 60s.
Alot has changed since then.
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I don't think they will. They're going through the motions. 2016 will have another CinC. Regardless of what generic polls show now, the odds of Hillary or any other person with a D behind their name, winning is slim to none. Just because they're forced to let them in doesn't mean they'll end up seeing any action. Plenty of jobs for them to do without putting them in the middle of a battle.
Cindie
I wish I could believe that but I fear after the inevitable amnesty by decree and another squishy "Republican" nominee that will be the final nail in the coffin.
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Three women pass Marine Corps endurance test...
In DUmmie logic this equals consensus.
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In DUmmie logic this equals consensus.
DUmmies don't care who takes his/her place in combat....just as long as it's not them. And this would put the other half of the population between them and combat.
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Along the same line;
Justice Dept Sues Police Force for Treating Women Equally
Apparently, requiring all candidates to pass the same standard physical fitness test is sexist. See, women are having a tough time passing the test – and this is obviously by design. According to the DOJ lawsuit:
“Through the use of these physical fitness tests, Defendants have engaged in a pattern or practice of employment discrimination against women in [Pennsylvania State Police's] selection process for entry-level trooper positions in violation of Title VII [of the Civil Rights Act of 1964].â€
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/michaelschaus/2014/09/01/eric-holder-sues-police-dept-for-treating-women-equal-n1885728/page/full
:thatsright:
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Along the same line;
:thatsright:
They do the same thing by claiming tests are racist when blacks can't pass written tests that other people pass.
The left doesn't want equal rights, they want special rights.
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They do the same thing by claiming tests are racist when blacks can't pass written tests that other people pass.
The left doesn't want equal rights, they want special rights.
Why? Are the tests written in cursive?
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Why? Are the tests written in cursive?
Nope.
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Now DUmmie menz can hide behind women's skirts without confessing their cowardice.