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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on September 28, 2014, 11:12:54 AM
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I went with MNS over the DUmpster because this is really more of an obsession or fixation with them. Facts be damn, it was those evil demons Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. Not the public unions, nor Big Ed and Special Ed, his little brother. Nope not that. Evil Republicans done it. We have been shoveling more and more money at education for years with no tangible results. Ditto the War on Poverty. DUmmies can't differentiate between systemic failure and their own political preference. And more's the pity.+
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TheMastersNemesis (4,131 posts)
School System Was Never Broken Until The Reagan Devil And GOP Broke It.
I went to school in the 50's and 60's and it worked just fine. It was not perfect but it worked. We put a man on the moon with slide rules and a 64K computer. Now we depend on the Russians to get to a space station. The moon program was government and private enterprise at its best. And the engineers were American engineers.
I had a great education that included critical thinking and a desire to keep learning for a lifetime. Now we have allowed billionaires like the Kochs to destroy our system because of pathological greed.
Note the bolded name.
Just take a quick peek at Quack Bill's response
quaker bill (7,495 posts)
18. I do not know how good the "schools" were, however I can state my experience.
I first attended in 1960. The first day of class the school gave out, books, paper, pencils, composition books, whatever you needed to complete the work. During the year, as assignments were given, supplies to complete them were handed out, to everyone, I was not living in poverty. There were art and music classes. My parents did have to rent my clarinet (in third grade we started music for band), otherwise everything was handed out.
There was vocational ed., but there was also what would easily pass as AP, as college bound seniors were generally taking calculus II before graduation.
Sure, it was the 1960s, so girls were not allowed to wear pants (only dresses), and there was very little diversity.
My experience was that schools were far better funded and resourced back then.
Of course in 1966 I moved south. A different story for sure, schools were poorly funded even in the wealthy mostly white enclaves, and it only got worse once integration was required because the politics were all about white flight to private schools and doing everything they could to deny tax funds for bussing and integration.
So I would say the schools were fine, perhaps even better in various places around the country, but clearly far far worse in the deep south, perhaps so in inner cities as well.
Bouncy? Or, just had to get a shot in at the south? Quacker Bill probably spent more time looking up the plaid, pleated skirt of Peggy O'Neil hoping to snatch a peek at her panties than at his history book.
ReRe (7,571 posts)
15. You're right, TMN
And in-particular, under RWR, the whole war on education was begun by none other than William Bennett. He was the Education Sec from Feb 1985 - Sep 1988. I remember my head almost exploding upon hearing him say he wanted to abolish the Education Dept. Click on this link and scroll down to "Political Viewpoints" and see for yourself who the godfather of school privatization was and really, what has happened to our school system since then:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett
I hate this self-righteous SOB.
Um ReRe and then MiniMe....
MiniMe (14,069 posts)
20. In general, educated people do not vote GOP unless they are in the 1%
So they are trying to keep people stupid and change the curriculum to dumb things down and change history to think this is good. Critical thinking breeds rebellion. I keep hoping for the rebellion
I fall into the demographic the op speaks of so I will share a bit of my experience here in New England where Maine was still solidly Republican Held Territory.
My eighth grade science teacher graduated from what use to be called a 'normal school' with a teaching certificate after two years and made $3,500 per year according to the town warrant which was published and distributed every year listing such things prior to the annual town meeting. Textbooks and paper were provided but you were on your own for everything else. Girls wore skirts and blouses, boys slacks and shirts with collars. Leather shoes were worn in school, no taps. We carried a bag lunch and bought our own milk. There were very few wealthy folk save the doctor's kids and the car dealer's kids but they weren't all that flush either.
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Me and DUmmie have something in common..."I went to school in the 50's and 60's and it worked just fine."...but I don't remember things the same way he does. My parents bought all my school supplies, paid for my lunch and we rented the books. The school taught real math, not 'new math', real history, not revisionist history, real English, not ebonics......and they didn't waste time teaching perverted sex.
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Hmm, I remember it a bit differently DUmbass. US education started going downhill is when liberals started taking over education in the 70's.
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That's quite a tap dance they do in order to avoid the Elephant in the room.
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How ass-backwards the DUmmies are. :whatever: The more educated I became, the more conservative views I adopted, especially economically. Of course, that's because I earned degrees in job-related fields of business, not abstract crap that the left considers more important.
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Why are they so obsess about Nixon and Reagan? Things went downhill in the 1960s.
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Me and DUmmie have something in common..."I went to school in the 50's and 60's and it worked just fine."...but I don't remember things the same way he does. My parents bought all my school supplies, paid for my lunch and we rented the books. The school taught real math, not 'new math', real history, not revisionist history, real English, not ebonics......and they didn't waste time teaching perverted sex.
Well that explains a lot. :rofl:
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Me and DUmmie have something in common..."I went to school in the 50's and 60's and it worked just fine."...but I don't remember things the same way he does. My parents bought all my school supplies, paid for my lunch and we rented the books. The school taught real math, not 'new math', real history, not revisionist history, real English, not ebonics......and they didn't waste time teaching perverted sex.
Yeah, I went to school in Indiana in the same time frame and I remember it pretty much the same way. I don't know for sure about the earlier grades, but we definitely had to cough up for our textbooks from junior high onward. Of course that was all before there was a 'Department of Education' in the Federal government.
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ReRe (7,571 posts)
15. You're right, TMN
And in-particular, under RWR, the whole war on education was begun by none other than William Bennett. He was the Education Sec from Feb 1985 - Sep 1988. I remember my head almost exploding upon hearing him say he wanted to abolish the Education Dept. Click on this link and scroll down to "Political Viewpoints" and see for yourself who the godfather of school privatization was and really, what has happened to our school system since then:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett
I hate this self-righteous SOB.
We're waging a war on education now? Wow! I hope that doesn't reduce our resources in the war against women.
I was in school in the 60s. We bought our own stuff. I will tell you a big difference between now and then.
In 6th grade I walked into my History class on the first day of school and got my first look at the teacher. He had the look of a bleeding-heart liberal hippy. I just knew that we wouldn't hit it off at all. By the end of the year I thought that maybe appearances were deceiving and I had been wrong about the teach because the teacher never taught an agenda or pushed any political ideology. He taught factual and honest history. It was one of my favorite classes.
A few months back on the net I found some of the teacher's past and current writings. Turns out that I wasn't wrong. The teacher was and still is a bleeding-heart liberal, but he was professional enough in his teaching career to leave that outside of the classroom. Most liberal teachers these days do not do that.
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I remember joking about taking non existent classes in underwater basket weaving.
Nowadays we have classes and degrees in subjects like black studies.
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I went with MNS over the DUmpster because this is really more of an obsession or fixation with them. Facts be damn, it was those evil demons Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. Not the public unions, nor Big Ed and Special Ed, his little brother. Nope not that. Evil Republicans done it. We have been shoveling more and more money at education for years with no tangible results. Ditto the War on Poverty. DUmmies can't differentiate between systemic failure and their own political preference. And more's the pity.+
Yes, perfect example of seeing, but not understanding due to the very reason you mentioned.
TheMastersNemesis (4,131 posts)
School System Was Never Broken Until The Reagan Devil And GOP Broke It.
I went to school in the 50's and 60's and it worked just fine. It was not perfect but it worked. We put a man on the moon with slide rules and a 64K computer. Now we depend on the Russians to get to a space station.
Earf to (D)Ummie....Earf to (D)Ummie: Who cut funding for NASA? The sCiEnCy party, that's who. The same party who left South Vietnam swinging in the breeze and enabled the murder of a few million....give or take, you asshole. :bird:
The moon program was government and private enterprise at its best. And the engineers were American engineers.
Earf to (D)Ummie: Who created a Department to fix what was not broken?
I had a great education that included critical thinking and a desire to keep learning for a lifetime. Now we have allowed billionaires like the Kochs to destroy our system because of pathological greed.
Name the cuts in funding done by the ebil eLeBiNty!!11111 rEiChwiNgNutZ, please? There has never been any, douche rocket.
ReRe (7,571 posts)
15. You're right, TMN
And in-particular, under RWR, the whole war on education was begun by none other than William Bennett. He was the Education Sec from Feb 1985 - Sep 1988. I remember my head almost exploding upon hearing him say he wanted to abolish the Education Dept. Click on this link and scroll down to "Political Viewpoints" and see for yourself who the godfather of school privatization was and really, what has happened to our school system since then:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett
I hate this self-righteous SOB.
..and that was not done because the (D)Marxists backstabbed Reagan into a tax increase. Now, what is your excuse, numbnutz? Sometimes, I think Reretards like this just post this crap to be cool at the (D)Umper Room lunch table.
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Why are they so obsess about Nixon and Reagan? Things went downhill in the 1960s.
It HAS to be Nixon and Reagan. To admit the truth, starts the process of crumbling their faulty worldview. These are broken, diseased people.
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One word: unions.
Cindie
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One word: unions.
Cindie
Actually, Cindie, I think it was due more by the removal of God from the classroom . . . At least the educational part, along with the breakdown of the family. Throw in LBJ's 'Great Society' and it's a hat trick.