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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on September 17, 2014, 05:02:28 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025550921
Oh my.
kpete (43,726 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:52 PM
Chelsea [sic] E Manning in Fort Leavenworth: "How to make Isis fall on its own sword"
How to make Isis fall on its own sword
Degrade and destroy? The west should try to disrupt the canny militants into self-destruction, because bombs will only backfire
he Islamic State (Isis) is without question a very brutal extremist group with origins in the insurgency of the United States occupation of Iraq. It has rapidly ascended to global attention by taking control of swaths of territory in western and northern Iraq, including Mosul and other major cities.
Based on my experience as an all-source analyst in Iraq during the organization’s relative infancy, Isis cannot be defeated by bombs and bullets – even as the fight is taken to Syria, even if it is conducted by non-Western forces with air support.
I believe that Isis is fueled precisely by the operational and tactical successes of European and American military force that would be – and have been – used to defeat them. I believe that Isis strategically feeds off the mistakes and vulnerabilities of the very democratic western states they decry. The Islamic State’s center of gravity is, in many ways, the United States, the United Kingdom and those aligned with them in the region.
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Based on my intelligence work in Iraq during that period, I believe that only a very focused and consistent strategy of containment can be effective in reducing the growth and effectiveness of Isis as a threat. And so far, Western states seem to have adopted that strategy. With very public humanitarian disasters, however, like the ones on Mount Sinjar and Irbil in northern Iraq, and the beheadings of journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, this discipline gets tested and can begin to fray.
As a strategy to disrupt the growth of Isis, I suggest focusing on four arenas:
Counter the narrative in online Isis recruitment videos – including professionally made videos and amateur battle selfies – to avoid, as best as possible, the deliberate propaganda targeting of desperate and disaffected youth. This would rapidly prevent the recruitment of regional and western members.
Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
Establish an international moratorium on the payment of ransom for hostages, and work in the region to prevent Isis from stealing and taxing historical artifacts and valuable treasures as sources of income, and especially from taking over the oil reserves and refineries in Bayji, Iraq. This would disrupt and prevent Isis from maintaining stable and reliable sources of income.
Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state†– in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.
Much more & Thank you Chelsea [sic]:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/16/chelsea-manning-isis-strategy?CMP=ema_565
misterhighwasted (596 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:58 PM
1. Most reasonable solution spoken yet.
Thank you.
Now to get those calling the shots to listen.
NYC_SKP (61,472 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:18 PM
2. I like it: "I suggest focusing on four arenas"
--rest of comment not worth bringing over :yawn:
jmowreader (28,317 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:26 PM
3. There's a fifth one she [sic] didn't mention
* Uncover and shut down all sources of ISIS' funding and their logistics system.
Without money and supplies, no combatant force can function...think of Third Army on August 31, 1944, when its advance to Berlin was halted completely because the Red Ball Express couldn't get them any fuel. Cut off ISIS' flow of money and materiel, and ISIS will be defeated.
misterhighwasted (596 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:32 PM
4. Yes #5 also. And its a critical one. Money
Enough is enough.
MohRokTah (4,160 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:33 PM
5. I cannot trust anything that felon has to say.
sabrina 1 (46,561 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:39 PM
6. Maybe if you knew a little more about her [sic], you would understand why so many people
trust her [sic] a whole lot more than many of our elected offiicials and our lying, corporate media.
It might, or might not, interest you to know that Chelsea [sic] Manning WARNED about this way back when she [sic] was still serving in Iraq.
She [sic] was the canary in the goldmine as it were. For some inconceivable reason she [sic] was told to 'stfu'.
And she [sic], who told the truth, like so many other Whistle Blowers in today's America, became the TARGET.
Too bad the decision was made to accuse HER [sic] of wrong doing rather than those she [sic] reported and who are directly responsible for the creation of ISIS.
misterhighwasted (596 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
8. ^10000
I want to hear more from Manning on this matter. So far it makes more foreign policy sense than the indulgent talking heads currently directing this war bus down an endless drop over the cliff.
msanthrope (26,329 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:41 PM
7. "My intelligence work?" Dear sweet christ....pure comedy gold.
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Why are they putting [sic] after s/h/it's name. Shouldn't it be "sick"? There are plenty of people who know a lot more about the ISIS situation that it does. Chadley hasn't had access for quite some time and most likely the situation has changed and intel communities in all branches of the government probably know more. But then, the DUmmies will believe anything if it comes from certain people.
Cindie
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Why are they putting [sic] after s/h/it's name. Shouldn't it be "sick"?
<<<inserted the [sic]s because it's silly.
One is what one's born, and surgery doesn't change it.
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Bradley Manning's plan to defeat ISIS involves showtunes blasting from speakers on a bunch of helicopter gunships, 2 square miles of pink taffeta, and a KC-135 load of KY Jelly.
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/15/1410797618833/Chelsea-Manning.jpg) WTF
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Let me get this straight. This freak wants to:
1) Create counter-recruitment videos that ISIS will turn around and say "See! The Great Satan is trying to stop you from doing the will of Allah!",
2) Tell ISIS a certain area is not to be invaded because it could cause a humanitarian disaster, as though they care,
3) Don't pay them for hostages, anything else of historical value, and don't let them have any oil fields so they have less money (Was this something we had planned on neglecting? Why is this fool bringing up things that would be part of any plan?),
4) Let them have their own territory, and then when they fail to deliver the goods the people will turn against them, as though the people living there would have the right, the means, or even the ability to revolt if they wanted.
Brilliant!! :banghead: :loser: :hammer: :thatsright:
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/15/1410797618833/Chelsea-Manning.jpg) WTF
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That picture belongs on the cover of Mad Magazine, not the byline of a news story. :???:
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/15/1410797618833/Chelsea-Manning.jpg) WTF
Is that supposed to be what it will look like after cutting off it's wanker? That's worse than the poor imitation of Sean Cassidy on my grade school lunch box.
Cindie
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Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly[/b]. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
Establish an international moratorium on the payment of ransom for hostages, and work in the region to prevent Isis from stealing and taxing historical artifacts and valuable treasures as sources of income, and especially from taking over the oil reserves and refineries in Bayji, Iraq. This would disrupt and prevent Isis from maintaining stable and reliable sources of income.
Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state†– in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.
I'm interpreting this to say that if we'll just let them have what they've taken (first bolded) we'll have peace in our time (second bolded).
Peace in out time?
I'm pretty sure that was tried a few decades back elsewhere, and it didn't work too well. I'm sure that since we're dealing with "the religion of peace" that it'll work this time.
By the way, what is the definition of mental illness? Isn't something like doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
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This is what happens when you let "wymin" openly serve in the military.
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It would work a whole lot better if we could get them to hire the mentally unstable into sensitive positions out of 'Inclusiveness' and 'Diversity,' but I don't think they're stupid enough to fall for it.
Counter the narrative in online Isis recruitment videos – including professionally made videos and amateur battle selfies – to avoid, as best as possible, the deliberate propaganda targeting of desperate and disaffected youth. This would rapidly prevent the recruitment of regional and western members.
Downright silly, the target audience of the ISIS videos will tune out anything that's obvious counter-propaganda and the ISIS propagandists will turn around the counterpoints faster than we can rebut new issues.
Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
That should go over really well with all the sovereign governments we're trying to get help from, though the Kurds might actually buy into a promise we can't deliver.
Establish an international moratorium on the payment of ransom for hostages, and work in the region to prevent Isis from stealing and taxing historical artifacts and valuable treasures as sources of income, and especially from taking over the oil reserves and refineries in Bayji, Iraq. This would disrupt and prevent Isis from maintaining stable and reliable sources of income.
Not going to happen. The Continental EU countries are still going to pony up, just like they did with the Somali pirates.
Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state†– in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.
Should work about as well as allowing Hitler to set up Grossdeutschland, Mussolini to achieve his irridentist goals by regaining all the old Roman territories, and Putin to incorporate every place with a substantial ethnic Russian population into Great Russia, and then waiting around for the crash.
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Based on my experience as an all-source analyst...
(http://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/stop-lemur.jpg)
He misspelled "anal-ist."
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Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state†– in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.
I'm interpreting this to say that if we'll just let them have what they've taken (first bolded) we'll have peace in our time (second bolded).
Peace in out time?
I'm pretty sure that was tried a few decades back elsewhere, and it didn't work too well. I'm sure that since we're dealing with "the religion of peace" that it'll work this time.
By the way, what is the definition of mental illness? Isn't something like doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
What is to stop ISIS from adopting leftist thinking? They would believe that the "right people" didn't try their stupid idea of Utopian socialist/communist ideas.
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What is to stop ISIS from adopting leftist thinking? They would believe that the "right people" didn't try their stupid idea of Utopian socialist/communist ideas.
Well, they hate Jews, Christians, America, freedom, etc. Sounds like they've already adopted leftist thinking. About all they're missing is homosexuality, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that homo activity is okay with them as long as you're stretching things to make room for a bang.
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Well, they hate Jews, Christians, America, freedom, etc. Sounds like they've already adopted leftist thinking. About all they're missing is homosexuality, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that homo activity is okay with them as long as you're stretching things to make room for a bang.
By "bang", I'll assume you mean less K-Y, and more C-4. :lmao:
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He or she or whatever should be executed.
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Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly.
We can't set clear temporary borders in the southern US region.
But based on the concept that the most incompetent be put in charge maybe Manning could recommend someone for the job.
Top prospects...
owebuma
Psaki
Wasserman
Reid
Clinton (either one)
Kerry
Holder (kinda iffy on him though)
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Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
The utter,self created,ignorance of that statement is all one needs to know as far as listening to this mutant about anything.
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Have they cut off its balls yet?
That's the only question left to answer.
The rest of its screed isn't worth reading. Why does its "analysis" make its way where hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are reading it and commenting on it?
The polesmoker is in prison. It is a criminal, by definition. It doesn't have a worthwhile opinion about anything other than how far to bend over in the shower.
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Have they cut off its balls yet?
That's the only question left to answer.
The rest of its screed isn't worth reading. Why does its "analysis" make its way where hundreds, perhaps thousands of people are reading it and commenting on it?
The polesmoker is in prison. It is a criminal, by definition. It doesn't have a worthwhile opinion about anything other than how far to bend over in the shower.
Cut off his balls but not his dick....I like that punishment....no testosterone, no erections, no climaxes. A lifetime of whipping a wet noodle with no happy endings.
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Cut off his balls but not his dick....I like that punishment....no testosterone, no erections, no climaxes. A lifetime of whipping a wet noodle with no happy endings.
If they would take the whole package that li'l Brad doesn't want, they could start a spirited auction at the DUmp.
Big Bertha, Lioness, UGP, Aerows and the other Klam lesbos would like to have them.
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"How to make Isis fall on its own sword"
Hey brad, stick to things you know about.
Yeah, I know a piece about sword swallowing wouldn't apply...
:rotf:
CMD
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The utter,self created,ignorance of that statement is all one needs to know as far as listening to this mutant about anything.
I stopped at this one:
Based on my experience...
Back in the active duty days, when I wanted an informed opinion from an E-3, I had to give it to him first.
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Back in the active duty days, when I wanted an informed opinion from an E-3, I had to give it to him first.
Pretty much. Even as a young 2LT, I knew when not to speak.
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I stopped at this one:
Back in the active duty days, when I wanted an informed opinion from an E-3, I had to give it to him first.
If you want the opinion of a Private, you beat it out of him.
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If you want the opinion of a Private, you beat it out of him.
From what I understand these days, you have to first ask his permission to beat it out of him. Otherwise, it's an EO complaint.
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Plus, he has not knowledge about current intelligence. And the idea that ISIS would say, "Hey, thanks guys, we're so happy you gave us our own town, we'll just stay here like good little terrorists, we promise!" What about the people who live in the "territory" their given? They either have to give up their homes & jobs & leave (providing ISIS allows them) or submit to the radical version of Sharia they practice. You want a war on women? What do you think will happen to the women living in ISISland? These people are incapable carrying a thought past platitudes.
Cindie
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Its entire essay is nothing more then the usual leftist wet dream of incoherent and mutually exclusive dreck that serves the sole purpose of providing fodder for fellow leftitsts that are too stupid to know what is going on.
With very public humanitarian disasters, however, like the ones on Mount Sinjar and Irbil in northern Iraq, and the beheadings of journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, this discipline gets tested and can begin to fray.
Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
Within the space of only a few sentences it writes this.
Tell me freak,what makes you think the group that has already done the former will respect the latter?
Why on Earth would these supposedly Isis free safe havens simply not be a killing field for a group that takes glee in savagely butchering people?
Why are you all so God damned stupid?
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/15/1410797618833/Chelsea-Manning.jpg) WTF
Chelsea Clinton, Is that you?
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Put a low cut, sheer, miniskirt on him and DUmp him in the middle of ISIS territory.
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Why does this traitor have access to internet? Or was this correspondence from his lawyer?
Regardless, last I checked, having access to the internet is what for him in trouble in the first place.
This oxygen thief should not be trying to draw attention to himself. As this particular S/H/IT was responsible for one of the largest leaks of information in US history while in the country in question. That does not make him an expert I would listen to anything they had to say pertaining to the military. By the way 'Chelsea', Even in military prison, 'snitches get stitches'.