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Title: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: franksolich on August 06, 2014, 09:21:40 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025346527

Oh my.

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BainsBane (28,117 posts)    Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:48 PM

The invisible victims of victimless crime

In a discussion about legalizing prostitution, no one wants to pay attention to my personal first-hand experience with the subject. The frustration I feel at being ignored in that discussion mirrors my personal experience with the subject matter.
 
People say prostitution is a victimless crime, but that only imagines two people in the scenario: the John and a willing sex worker, presumably an adult. There is lots of evidence about underage prostitution and how legalizing prostitution leads to increased human trafficking, which is a fancy word for slavery. I set that aside here to speak of my own experience as someone who grew up in an area where prostitution flourished.
 
The inner city neighborhood I grew up in was a main area for prostitution. The main street in the neighborhood housed a police station, but since the cops were paid off, prostitution was essentially legal in the area.
 
Starting at age 9 or 10 (as soon as I moved to the neighborhood), adult men would stop me when I walked down the street to try to get me to have sex with them. It happened to my sister, and I imagine every other little girl (and likely many boys) in the neighborhood as well. This was part of my daily experience growing up. These Johns didn't live in the area. They had cars (many in my neighborhood did not), and their cars were nice. They doubtless came from the suburbs, where guys like them always come from. Preying on children came with no consequences because they were protected by the police. As residents of that neighborhood, we had little recourse. As a child, I was completely powerless. The police didn't care.
 
Now, when I try to share that story to demonstrate that prostitution is not the victimless crime people insist, I am again rendered invisible. The OP proclaimed he would not read my post, even though in the subject line of my second response I was clear I was talking about children being preyed upon. The victims of this victimless crime remain invisible. Our experiences are ignored because we don't fit the popular neoliberal narrative. Well I am here to say we exist, even if some find our lives inconvenient. I am no longer 10 yrs old and now, and I will shout my story for all to hear so that people understand there is another aspect to this issue. If people ignore it, they ignore the lives of children and adults in poor communities throughout this country--communities that serve as Third World playgrounds for the middle- and upper-middle class men who want us to remain invisible.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Delmar on August 06, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
What the hell town is she from where the cops are okay with and protect perverts propositioning 9 and 10 year old girls?
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 06, 2014, 09:34:51 PM
What the hell town is she from?
Funkytown.

It's deep blue.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: thundley4 on August 06, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
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Starting at age 9 or 10 (as soon as I moved to the neighborhood), adult men would stop me when I walked down the street to try to get me to have sex with them.

PHDD must have been a preteen DD and looked older than her true age.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Chris_ on August 06, 2014, 10:18:40 PM
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Starting at age 9 or 10 (as soon as I moved to the neighborhood), adult men would stop me when I walked down the street to try to get me to have sex with them.
It explains her obsession doctorate on South American criminals.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on August 06, 2014, 10:21:09 PM
Well, she may be right, but isn't "Legalizing it will make everything better because then it will be regulated lawfully" the exact mantra they sing when the subject of marijuana is under discussion?
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: USA4ME on August 06, 2014, 10:28:34 PM
Wow!! PhDD is more immature than I imagined.

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no one wants to pay attention to my personal first-hand experience with the subject. The frustration I feel at being ignored in that discussion mirrors my personal experience with the subject matter.

Oh, poor baby, No one will take her seriously. And what she has to say is something that everyone should hear and immediately agree with her.

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Now, when I try to share that story to demonstrate that prostitution is not the victimless crime people insist, I am again rendered invisible. The OP proclaimed he would not read my post, even though in the subject line of my second response I was clear I was talking about children being preyed upon. The victims of this victimless crime remain invisible. Our experiences are ignored because we don't fit the popular neoliberal narrative. Well I am here to say we exist, even if some find our lives inconvenient. I am no longer 10 yrs old and now, and I will shout my story for all to hear so that people understand there is another aspect to this issue. If people ignore it, they ignore the lives of children and adults in poor communities throughout this country...

Oh yeah, it's all about you and what you experienced and are convinced is the truth. And your bound and determined that people listen to you because..... well ....... you have something to say on the topic. And it's important! And everyone should agree with you! And if they don't, then they don't care about children and the poor and doughnuts and ice cream and anything else you say they don't really care about. And when you say it then it's written in stone and none of their denying it can change anything.

Regardless of the topic at hand, that's your attitude, Alex. And it's immature.

Alex, you wouldn't last 5 seconds face-to-face against me.

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Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Big Dog on August 06, 2014, 10:42:19 PM
Wow, she really blasted them with her twin .44s of victimhood.

Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Chris_ on August 06, 2014, 10:44:21 PM
Well, she may be right, but isn't "Legalizing it will make everything better because then it will be regulated lawfully" the exact mantra they sing when the subject of marijuana is under discussion?
You're not supposed to notice that. :whatever:
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 06, 2014, 11:39:46 PM
Bainsbane is trying to be DOTY.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 07, 2014, 01:08:00 AM
Bainsbane is trying to be DOTY.

Not a prayer.

She's not even the top Klam.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Carl on August 07, 2014, 05:37:10 AM
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Starting at age 9 or 10 (as soon as I moved to the neighborhood), adult men would stop me when I walked down the street to try to get me to have sex with them. It happened to my sister, and I imagine every other little girl (and likely many boys) in the neighborhood as well. This was part of my daily experience growing up. These Johns didn't live in the area. They had cars (many in my neighborhood did not), and their cars were nice. They doubtless came from the suburbs, where guys like them always come from. Preying on children came with no consequences because they were protected by the police. As residents of that neighborhood, we had little recourse. As a child, I was completely powerless. The police didn't care.



There is not a bit of truth to her tale of woe.
She is a typical DUmp liar and lunatic.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: franksolich on August 07, 2014, 08:10:10 AM
There is not a bit of truth to her tale of woe.

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These Johns didn't live in the area. They had cars (many in my neighborhood did not), and their cars were nice. They doubtless came from the suburbs, where guys like them always come from.

<<<notices she's trying to blame conservative white guys.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: SVPete on August 07, 2014, 08:19:23 AM
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In a discussion about legalizing prostitution, no one wants to pay attention to my personal first-hand experience with the subject. The frustration I feel at being ignored in that discussion mirrors my personal experience with the subject matter.

(Ahem ...) Me, me, me ... ME! ME! ME!

Assuming her tale is true, it's pretty pathetic that she "had to" adulterate it with her own narcissism. That aside, I think those who parrot the victimless crime mantra should live a year in a prostitute-filled neighborhood or in a neighborhood with strip clubs and porn theaters. Spend lots of time outdoors taking in the sights and rubbing shoulders with the neighborhood's denizens.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: JohnnyReb on August 07, 2014, 09:12:06 AM
I thought this might be about black ghost chickens......I wish it was.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: DUmpsterDiver on August 07, 2014, 09:17:54 AM
It's a thinly veiled demand to be compensated for her adolescent pole smoking.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Dori on August 07, 2014, 11:38:37 AM
It explains her obsession doctorate on South American criminals.

She should have become a lawyer and gone after those cops on the take.

She complains about the men from the suburbs looking for young girls while the cops looked the other way.  Where were her parents?  Where were her teachers? 

Where are her complaints towards liberal policies that allow pedophiles to be put back on the streets near schools and kids?  Where are her complaints about a President and a political party that promotes child trafficking?

Hey BB, if you really were so traumatized by your "invisible" victimhood, why aren't you doing something about it, instead of complaining about being ignored on some stupid message board?


Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 07, 2014, 12:20:07 PM
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Assuming her tale is true

See? There's your problem.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: 67 Rover on August 07, 2014, 12:43:42 PM
Coach's message to PHDD.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Wineslob on August 07, 2014, 12:44:36 PM
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In a discussion about legalizing prostitution, no one wants to pay attention to my personal first-hand experience with the subject. The frustration I feel at being ignored in that discussion mirrors my personal experience with the subject matter


Honey, if you can't get Frank to do the deed........... :rofl:
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Ogre on August 07, 2014, 05:26:49 PM
Meh, why would anyone listen to PhDD?

Is it crude that she reminds me of the Nickelback song "Something in your mouth"?
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: I_B_Perky on August 07, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
Funkytown.

It's deep blue

For some strange reason that brought to mind this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4lhkGDMKcY[/youtube]
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on August 08, 2014, 12:22:51 AM
Funkytown.

It's deep blue.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: vesta111 on August 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
She should have become a lawyer and gone after those cops on the take.

She complains about the men from the suburbs looking for young girls while the cops looked the other way.  Where were her parents?  Where were her teachers? 

Where are her complaints towards liberal policies that allow pedophiles to be put back on the streets near schools and kids?  Where are her complaints about a President and a political party that promotes child trafficking?

Hey BB, if you really were so traumatized by your "invisible" victimhood, why aren't you doing something about it, instead of complaining about being ignored on some stupid message board?

The fact that BB says there are invisible victims in the city is BS.  It is in the small towns that the big bucks are located.

In the last 20 years we up here have had 2-3 big time in your face busts of both adult and kiddie sites that made national news.

One bust up north in Maine was a dilly.  Some woman started up a dance school and with her Lawyer boyfriend began a business that was located down town in sight of the residents, the police and the townies that passed by.   

By the time the dance instructor and boyfriend were arrested  the police found records of over 150 + local and out of town that  had taken advantage of her lessons.

The local paper took to publishing the names and addresses of her students. Cops Doctors, Lawyers a Judge or two.    Lots of everyday family men, got to the point that the school system had to call in mental health for the children of the parents that had been named as those that wanted nothing more then to learn to dance the Zumba, to surprise their wives they said.

No need to mention the Health club that operated in a very small town on our Coast.  Owned and operated by a Lawyer, friends of the police and a big donator to the town schools and Library   Could not have been any town resident over the age of 12 that did not know what was going on.

The Feds got wind when a 13 year old girl was brought up from Mass.   For some reason when the Feds moved in, protocol was they inform the local police they were there and why, so the police that received a new car at Xmas were not surprised when the Feds found NOTHING out of line.

Finally the Feds broke protocol and just swooped in followed by the IRS.  Those of us in town or outer towns hung on to our seats as each day some local paper would reveal more and more of the Best Little Whore House in Maine.

 
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Big Dog on August 09, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
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BainsBane (28,117 posts)    Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:48 PM

The invisible victims of victimless crime

blah, blah, blah

At no point did Alex ever say she didn't take the money or do the deed, which tells us more about her than she may have intended.

(http://www.escapeintolife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sf1.jpg)
"Hmmm..."

You know how some things just naturally go together, like steak and eggs, chocolate and peanut butter, bourbon and cigars, strippers and poles, or bacon and pretty much anything.  Well, there is only one thing that could go with Alex's flight of fantasy about being a 9 year old streetwalker in the barrio: a soundtrack.  So, turn the volume up to 11, objectify the woman below by clicking on her triangle, and jam out with your Klam out!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEf00GC1rlQ[/youtube]

Lyrics:
They cry in the dark, so you can't see their tears
They hide in the light, so you can't see their fears
Forgive and forget, all the while
Love and pain become one and the same
In the eyes of a wounded child

Because Hell, Hell is for children
And you know that their little lives can become such a mess
Hell, hell is for children
And you shouldn't have to pay for your love
With your bones and your flesh

It's all so confusing, this brutal abusing
They blacken your eyes, and then apologize
Be daddy's good girl, and don't tell mommy a thing
Be a good little boy, and you'll get a new toy
Tell grandma you fell off the swing

Because Hell, Hell is for children
And you know that their little lives can become such a mess
Hell, hell is for children
And you shouldn't have to pay for your love
With your bones and your flesh
No, Hell is for children

(guitar solo)

Hell, Hell is for Hell
Hell is for Hell, Hell is for children

Hell, Hell is for Hell
Hell is for Hell, Hell is for children

Hell, Hell is for Hell
Hell is for Hell, Hell is for children

Hell is for children
Hell is for children


Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 09, 2014, 12:02:05 PM
Not a prayer.

She's not even the top Klam.

Bainsbane really leaves an impression on me.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: El Jefe on August 09, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
<<<notices she's trying to blame conservative white guys.

That's what I took away from her nonsense too.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: franksolich on August 09, 2014, 03:05:35 PM
That's what I took away from her nonsense too.

As I've said, it's probable she's been used or misused or abused by guys, which yes is too bad and I wish it wouldn't have happened, but I don't think they were white conservative guys; I think more they were probably guys from ethnic groups that it's politically incorrect to criticize.

The primitives are notorious for misdirecting their anger at the wrong targets.

The Bostonian Drunkard and George Bush, for example; one could tell every time the Bostonian Drunkard was having problems with his father--and he's had considerable--by the way he lashed out against George Bush.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: El Jefe on August 09, 2014, 03:28:15 PM
As I've said, it's probable she's been used or misused or abused by guys, which yes is too bad and I wish it wouldn't have happened, but I don't think they were white conservative guys; I think more they were probably guys from ethnic groups that it's politically incorrect to criticize.

The primitives are notorious for misdirecting their anger at the wrong targets.

The Bostonian Drunkard and George Bush, for example; one could tell every time the Bostonian Drunkard was having problems with his father--and he's had considerable--by the way he lashed out against George Bush.

When I was in college, I witnessed several females date 'interesting' guys and then be shocked when they were treated poorly. Some women it seems are just drawn to creeps. Its even worse when your hipster politics are involved in your decision making.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: thundley4 on August 09, 2014, 05:30:22 PM
Bainsbane really leaves an impression on me.

Those double D's leave an impression on anything she leans against.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: GOBUCKS on August 10, 2014, 12:56:32 AM
Can you imagine how desperate a man (aside from stevenumbers) would have to be to do Alex Jugs?

Maybe she'd look good to an addled submarine rider coming off a long submerged mission with inadequate oxygen.

Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: vesta111 on August 10, 2014, 08:05:42 AM
When I was in college, I witnessed several females date 'interesting' guys and then be shocked when they were treated poorly. Some women it seems are just drawn to creeps. Its even worse when your hipster politics are involved in your decision making.

The youth crowd seldom think about politics and it amazes me how I went for so many years too busy working, then raising a family to give it much thought.

As a dependent of the Military I had to keep my mouth shut, not discuss politics with even my family 3,000 miles away as they feared the phone lines in Navy Housing may have been tapped.   Paranoia from parents that had worked for the Government in one way or the other for years and knew the system.

  Mantra was the husbands service and career  came first before the welfare of their wives and children.

God, Country and Family in that order.

Children pick up the way the wind blows just listening to adult conversation. What they do not know is what party the parents follow, at times it seems just a personal dislike for someone and the views they express.

Bad Boys, yes we all have to at some time or another go through that time of our teen daughters or even adult daughters find it is more fun to date the boys with motorcycles then a boy driving his dads car.    Girls just want to have fun and escape the reality of life they live. 

The down side is when these females find a friend or sibling dead in a ditch or body parts turn up in trash cans, or read about the woman who followed a man named Manson, to take them to the other side of reality.

All one has to do is to follow the time line of Patty Hurst going from a student to a full out warrior.  Anyone say  she was not having the thrill of her life has to be a fool.

Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: Delmar on August 10, 2014, 08:48:21 AM

All one has to do is to follow the time line of Patty Hurst going from a student to a full out warrior.  Anyone say  she was not having the thrill of her life has to be a fool.
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As Patty writes:

Cin came into the closet, shut the door, and said, “take

off your clothes,” and he had me. I lay there like a rag

doll, my mind a million miles away. It was all so mechanical

and then it was over. I said to myself, rationalizing again.

“well, you’re still alive.” What did this kind of abuse matter?

if I had been raped on a dark side street in Berkley, it would

have been the same thing, perhaps worse. If they killed me,

after all, none of this would matter one bit. If I somehow

survived, perhaps these rapes would have saved life. My

thoughts at this time were focused on the single issue

of survival… There was no point in objecting to anything

anymore, not even in my thoughts. I would have to do

anything they wanted in order to survive. At the same time

I could not think of any further humiliation to which they

could subject me. I did not what to think anymore at all.
http://www.customessaymeister.com/customessays/Criminology/15870.htm

Patty Hearst isn't a good example of a woman attracted to bad boys.  She was brainwashed and tortured by leftist terrorists.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: RobJohnson on August 13, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
She needs to organize a topless protest to support the invisible victims.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: miskie on August 14, 2014, 07:16:34 AM
I don't see what the big deal is BB -

The 'town' you describe is just part of the natural evolution of the phrase "My body, my choice." I can't see how its possible that a highly educated PhDD such as yourself could not see that coming.
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: franksolich on August 14, 2014, 08:10:43 AM
I don't see what the big deal is BB -

The 'town' you describe is just part of the natural evolution of the phrase "My body, my choice." I can't see how its possible that a highly educated PhDD such as yourself could not see that coming.

^^^ :clap:
Title: Re: BainsBane describes invisible victims
Post by: vesta111 on August 14, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
http://www.customessaymeister.com/customessays/Criminology/15870.htm

Patty Hearst isn't a good example of a woman attracted to bad boys.  She was brainwashed and tortured by leftist terrorists.

Not exactly DELMAR, Patty was raised around the Elate, the people that had power and prestige and were movers and shakers in our country and country's over seas.

 No idiot Valley Girl she had smarts, and had been as you say brainwashed into the life she was raised in all her life.   

Strange how she threw all her upbringing into he wind and turned on her own family and became a commando with machine gun in full commando outfit, hair looking washed and set in front or a set made for Hollywood just a few weeks or months after her kidnapping.

No brain washing or torture needed here, I believe the bad boys fascinated her, and at her young age was perhaps the most interesting thing she had even seen in her life.

What did she get out of this, perhaps the attention of family that ignored her.   Family ready to pay thousands to get her back, Finally someone shows love and respect for her.

Bad Boys, what you going to do when they come for you ?   I watched all this on TV as it unfolded and wondered at the time about the truck loads of food came into the town for the poor and street people. 

Here we had a child held hostage for the trucks of food sent in and the people who received it went nuts, I will never forget a large woman swinging a 3 pound chicken over her head yelling the chicken was too small.

On the other side I wondered how street people could cook these bags of raw food with no place to live.    On the other side cars and trucks came in to buy for a buck a piece a bag of food to go out and sell it to others for 4 bucks a bag.

One had to be there to see this, it was most amazing.

As far as Patty herself, she had many chances to escape if she wanted to.   When she was caught the old " I was made to do this" worked and her family's money backed her up.

  I have no good feelings about this female as you can see,  she was just a child from a wealthy family that was running crazy with people that she would have never met had she not been targeted.

And that leaves the question, why was she targeted and by who ??????