Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:21 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,352 posts)
My only post on the ME crisis
Meet the future soldiers.
And the future fighters.
This will go on until their parents find a way to break the cycle, a cycle that is much older than any of us.
Both sides are committing war crimes, I speak as a former humanitarian worker who actually had to live under those rules and understands how damn easy it is to lose that neutrality.
It is easy to forget that children, like always, bear the brunt. Or not understand why we are at this point. Some in Israel would love to kill every man, woman and child in Gaza. They are not human you see. Likewise for Hamas, if they could, the med would be red from Jewish blood.
Until you all understand this, all your wonderful one side is evil will continue to sound hollow.
Evil acts are being committed. Yes, one side has more power, it's been asymmetrical like forever. The tunnels are real, the fighters who have gone into them are the parents of this kids. The planes and bombs are real, they are the parents of those children. Remember those photos. You are seeing the future soldiers and fighters, who will hate each other because you know what, them evil ones took mommy and daddy, and dropped bombs on us, and made us run, and scared us. Children in Gaza and Ashkelon have a right to live care free.
Those kids, all of them, will have nightmares, real nightmares. They are learning to see the other as distant monsters.
I expect very snarky, in some cases very hateful responses, why this is my only post on the issue. But yesterday I deleted a post pointing out that yes, munitions were placed in a UN school. That is just as much of a war crime as dropping bombs on a market. It does not matter who has more or less power. A war crime is a war crime.
I only talk from actual knowledge in applying the Conventions, not what I read in a book and losing neutrality this fast after one of my crews was cowed by an army officer. I would think I have a tad of a clue. But if you do nothing else today, study those photos. Those are the next wave of active combatants in this endless cycle.
Oh and if Israel feels it's about to lose, they will enact MAD. It is called the Samson Option, google it up.
Response to bigtree (Reply #23)
nadinbrzezinski (135,352 posts) Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:06 PM
45. You think I have made up my ten years as a medic for an actual NGO
That actually dealt with this day in and day out? Or the fact that I know how easy it is to lose that neutrality? When one of my crews got an armed (injured) Lt into the back of the clearly marked ambulance with his side arm and battle rifle, we were no longer neutral. We got there later...boy was I pissed!!!!
I made a show of returning those two items to his Colonel. When the round went through the ambulance we used to drive him to the hospital we were no longer neutral, thank you very much. Charges, due to that mistake by scared shitless young medics were never filed against the sniper. Oh there were charges, but not for shooting at a clearly marked ambulance.
That happened in a fairly low intensity conflict, nothing like this one.
Oh kids went to remedial class and I did lodge a pretty official complaint with the military zone commander and his legal office, with copies to Geneva and Mexico City.
:lol:
You are reading words...I know what those words mean. A war crime, is a war crime, is a war crime. It matters little if you are the most powerful nation in the world (Abu Graib comes to mind) or a member of a unit storing your bombs in a vacant facility that is neutral otherwise anywhere in the world. You do indeed risk the other side bombing other equal facilities, because quite frankly, you and me have no way to know what their intel service thinks there is in that facility. And I doubt they will tell us if we ask either.
Nor does that mean Israel has not targeted civilians m'kay. In fact, both sides have. Both sides have continued to do such.
Oh and most war crimes will never, ever like never, be prosecuted. It's not as if there is a war crime cop issuing tickets.
And when they are...yeehaw, the dust came off the Rios Mont file for genocide...oh he is too old and cannot really serve time, bad, bad Rios Mont, don't ever do that again! (That be Guatemala, the 1980s and the Maya Genocide. I actually debriefed one of his victims...I am sure that kid, now adult, is really impressed with ladino justice, not. Suffice to say, I was pissed he was not given one day behind bars.)
So it is what it is.
Why this is the only OP I will post on this. Quite frankly, I would prefer the wall and banging my head on it. And yes, mine is an informed perspective.
That actually dealt with this day in and day out? Or the fact that I know how easy it is to lose that neutrality? When one of my crews got an armed (injured) Lt into the back of the clearly marked ambulance with his side arm and battle rifle, we were no longer neutral. We got there later...boy was I pissed!!!!
I made a show of returning those two items to his Colonel. When the round went through the ambulance we used to drive him to the hospital we were no longer neutral, thank you very much. Charges, due to that mistake by scared shitless young medics were never filed against the sniper. Oh there were charges, but not for shooting at a clearly marked ambulance.
(No, not the kind your husband gives you between the teeth)eww.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:34 PM
Spider Jerusalem (17,807 posts)
7. Your deleted post contained other info that's not strictly accurate
Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #7)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:38 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,352 posts)
9. I deleted a post reporting munitions in a UNWRA
School, go argue with the UN on that ok.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:51 PM
Spider Jerusalem (17,807 posts)
15. Palestine is an officially recognised state, now, is it?
Since when, exactly? I must have missed that.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #20)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:16 PM
Spider Jerusalem (17,807 posts)
33. It was your last word two posts ago?
Sorry, but you're still very shockingly wrong.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #48)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:13 PM
U4ikLefty (3,278 posts)
70. You don't like your lies & distortions to be challenged....poor baby!!!!
Just admit you support Israel over Palestine and this is an attempt to give the "both sides do it" argument.
Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #70)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:16 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,352 posts)
73. I am supporting neither
I realize this is way too complex for you.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:43 PM
Star Member closeupready (22,396 posts)
11. I'm not sure what your point is, or why this thread was necessary.
War is hell, we get it. The Israelis will defend themselves. We all know that. The Palestinians will terrorize in response to these lates hostilities, check.
??? Honestly confused what your point is.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:49 PM
Star Member MineralMan (65,742 posts)
13. I can't imagine that this will be your only post on the subject.
I'll wait to see.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:42 PM
Star Member bigtree (53,116 posts)
23. no snark
Thank you for the thread and your informed and experienced *perspective.
gNads the Incomprehensible
5. You think I have made up my ten years as a medic for an actual NGO
That actually dealt with this day in and day out? Or the fact that I know how easy it is to lose that neutrality? When one of my crews got an armed (injured) Lt into the back of the clearly marked ambulance with his side arm and battle rifle, we were no longer neutral. We got there later...boy was I pissed!!!!
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:06 PM
ChromeFoundry (3,073 posts)
19. Is there anything you have not done for at least 10 years?
Teacher, Artist, EMT (still not sure if you think that is the same as a Paramedic), Combat, Chemist, Author, Journalist, Trauma Surgeon, Ballistics Expert, Telemetry, Nuclear Physicist, Hazmat First Responder, Paramedic Instructor, President and CEO, Paranormal Activity Investigator, Coal Mine Safety Expert, Bridge Engineering, Software Developer, Producer, Space Exploration and Jet Propulsion Scientist, Veterinary Clinic Worker, Protein-Folding Expert, Quantum Mechanics and String Theory Expert, Postal Worker, Dietitian, Farmer, Dairy Products Specialist, Alternative Energy Expert, Theologian, History Analyst? ...and I have barely scratch the surface on the breadth of your self-acclaimed knowledge!
Oh, and most importantly, Skilled in Argument Defection when anyone questions your authority on any subject that is covered in a Wikipedia posting or a first page Google search result.
No, really!?!? Is there any topic you are not the expert authority, other than Humility?
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:26 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,364 posts)
100. I know this is difficult to understand
But some of us have not had boring lives. Some have.
It might also be incredibly hard, but this laughing and pointing fingers is what bullies do, and it is about your needs, not mine.
Have a good day. Thank you for trying to turn something serious into a joke, but that is also what school yard bullies do.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:26 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,364 posts)
100. I know this is difficult to understand
But some of us have not had boring lives. Some have.
She lives in an apartment with her husband (the retired nuclear submarine captain) and some birds. When she is not covering city council meetings and chasing brush fires for an online rag no one reads, she is listening to a police scanner (because after all the years she has been credentialed as a real-life-honest-to-goodness-reporter, she has not developed one contact in the first responder field who can feed her tips - which is kind of insulting actually given her impressive background in the military and as a "medic")...
Stop. The excitement is killing me.
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235. You really are thick.
What do you mean obliterating Israel means? it is not a figure of speech. I love stubbornness in the afternoon.
In my mind you are best case willfully ignorant. Worst case an anti-Semite, and no link, or translation will be enough for you. In my mind, you will not be happy until Israel is indeed obliterated.
Have an excellent day.
I do not try to educate those who wish to remain ignorant.
Looks like she's on another mandatory break from DU
She won't be able to post again until Aug 16th.
By my reckoning, she lasted 28 hours, 37 minutes before she was locked out again.
She'll never make DOTY at that rate!
Looks like she's on another mandatory break from DU
She won't be able to post again until Aug 16th.
Looks like she's on another mandatory break from DU
She won't be able to post again until Aug 16th.
his could be her plan all along, BD, to "f" up so badly at DU that we discount her DOTY campaign, to distract us, make us take our "eye off the prize" so to speak.