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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on July 21, 2014, 10:04:59 AM
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Comrade Grumpy (8,245 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014851310
Hamas 'Captures Israeli Soldier' Amid Shelling
Source: Sky News
Hamas' armed wing says it has captured an Israeli soldier, amid an assault on the Gaza Strip that has killed at least 100 Palestinians.
Israel has already denied the claim.
Rhinodawg (231 posts)
1. If...if it's true, Hamas just made a bad mistake. Video Reports on cnn,show the Palestinians population cheering in the streets.
The palestinians don't care. More Pal deaths, more pro-Pal media reports.
The Stranger (11,031 posts)
14. Are the people on this thread openly supporting the murder of innocent Palestinians because a uniformed, openly attacking Israeli soldier was captured?
If Hamas treated the soldier like a POW nobody would care. Hamas has a nasty habit of kidnapping Israelis then killing them.
NickB79 (11,058 posts)
26. And if Palestinian civilians DID cheer when an IDF soldier is captured or dies.......???
Does it somehow make the deaths of hundreds of civilians a little less objectionable?
Yes. Kind of like killing NAZIs.
JDPriestly (44,734 posts)
62. What do you prefer?
War or peace?
If the negotiations for peace are not fruitful, there will be war.
What do you prefer?
I prefer peace. To get peace, the Palestinians need to show Israel that they can give Israel what Israel wants as long as Israel gives Palestinians what they want.
The Palestinians have failed to establish that they are capable of respecting and keeping a peace should they and Israel negotiate it.
It's very simple.
Israel, on the other hand, has demonstrated a) that they can return prisoners, b) that they can evict settlers and hand over land to the Palestinians, and c) that they can enforce a peace within the borders of Israel, i.e. prevent Israeli citizens from attacking Palestinians or at least arrests Israeli citizens for attacking Palestinians without the direction of the Israeli government.
Palestinians have not demonstrated their capacity to do those three things that are essential to peace. Therefore, since the choice is necessarily between probably lengthy and difficult peace negotiations or war, the Palestinians have chosen war.
JoeyT (6,382 posts)
33. My ancestors openly cheered when they killed settlers that shot at them. Apparently we deserved our freedom blankets.
Yes. The American West in the 1870s is exactly the same thing.
Recursion (33,474 posts)
9. Taking prisoners of war is a bad strategy now? Most militant forces have found it very effective in the past.
Most MUSLIM militants kill their prisoners.
azurnoir (34,434 posts)
13. Not so much with Israel right now during the search for the 3 Israeli teenagers Israel rearrested a number of the prisoners released in exchange for Gilad Shalit and there was something in the Knesset to prevent any additional prisoner releases in exchange for Israeli's in the future-I'm not sure where that went if anywhere, but suffice it to say such exchanges are not a popular idea right now
No shit. If the plan doesn't work a hundred times, stop doing the plan.
Fred Sanders (2,300 posts)
6. One Israeli soldier captured gets wall to wall media, hundreds of kids blown away gets 30 seconds. The loss of 13 soldiers in a single battle seems to have woken up the crowd to the realities of war.
ONCE AGAIN the left balloons the casualty numbers. Its to the point where no one even reads them any more. You can't trust a single report.
billhicks76 (1,116 posts)
18. Funny How That Works. Not a peep from Israelis or Americans about dismembered, massacred Palestinian children but gasps and reflective mourning for 13 soldiers with guns who died. Racism is such a simple thing. If you're skin is light you matter...if its darker you don't. God must have a hard time forgiving this.
Do I need to link to the Paliwood site again?
PeoViejo (618 posts)
50. We were run out of town by a bunch of Afghan Hillbillies just like they ran out the Soviets and the Brits before them.
Not really. Our government and this administration pulled out costing us a vicotry in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just like in Vietnam.
azurnoir (34,434 posts)
12. Hamas releases soldiers name Israel says he's one of the dead
Hamas says it has captured Israeli soldier in Gaza
Al-Qassam Brigades said during a speech by spokesman Abu Ubaida aired live on Ma'an News that the captured soldier is named Shaul Aron and his military number was *
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714871
Report: Hamas Military Wing Claims Capture Of An Israeli Soldier
A spokesman for Hamas' armed wing said on Sunday the group had captured an Israeli soldier during fighting in the Gaza Strip.
Derek StoffelVerified account â€@DerekStoffelCBC
Israeli defence reporters saying IDF denies Hamas claim that a soldier was captured. Name used belongs to 1 of soldiers killed. #CBC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/20/hamas-captures-soldier_n_5603977.html
* serial number removed for posting on DU
geek tragedy (39,793 posts)
43. The Israelis are holding several million Palestinians prisoner. Some get yard privileges though.
several million? The us prison population is only 2,019,234 prisoners! Where the **** is Israel going to keep several million Pal prisoners? Israel had 11,055 prisoners in 2002.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Prisoners
In December 2011, 4,772 security prisoners were serving terms in Israeli jails. Of these, 552 were sentenced to life terms.[3] As of April 2013, there were approximately 4,700 security prisoners in Israeli jails, 169 of them held under administrative detention without having been charged. Most of the prisoners are Palestinian men from the West Bank and Gaza area, convicted of participating in terror attacks.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel
The DUmpmonkiez are so used to lying about everything they just can't help themselves.
unreadierLizard (418 posts)
36. The visceral hate that Hamas has for Israel extends beyond any kind of land dispute. These people genuinely hate Jews of any age, gender or occupation. They delight in launching rockets into civilian areas and think nothing of using their own people as human shields to gather international sympathy. Which, sadly, DU still buys in to the narrative that Hamas are "freedom fighters".
Clear truth spoken at DU. Lizard isn't long for this world...
Hissyspit (43,131 posts)
56. Buying into racist narratives, hunh?
of course.
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Not positive, but I think geektragedy was trying to frame it as all of Gaza being a giant prison. Could've just been being an idiot, of course.
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Not positive, but I think geektragedy was trying to frame it as all of Gaza being a giant prison. Could've just been being an idiot, of course.
wow... good thing american prisons aren't like that. could you imagine inmates having the ability to launch rockets and mortars at the surrounding neighborhoods?
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wow... good thing american prisons aren't like that. could you imagine inmates having the ability to launch rockets and mortars at the surrounding neighborhoods?
If it weren't for the gangs spending all their energy trying to kill each other, there're some where it could happen, I guess.
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If it weren't for the gangs spending all their energy trying to kill each other, there're some where it could happen, I guess.
If only the palestinians would spend up all their resources killing each other, Israel would have some darn nice realestate to work with once the smoke cleared.
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If only the palestinians would spend up all their resources killing each other, Israel would have some darn nice realestate to work with once the smoke cleared.
I do not know about the real estate but there should be a lot of free aggregate lying around for building and making roads.
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I want Israel just to wipe Gaza and the surrounding area clean. They are going to be accused of this forever so just go ahead and do it. :p
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unreadierLizard (418 posts)
36. The visceral hate that Hamas has for Israel extends beyond any kind of land dispute. These people genuinely hate Jews of any age, gender or occupation. They delight in launching rockets into civilian areas and think nothing of using their own people as human shields to gather international sympathy. Which, sadly, DU still buys in to the narrative that Hamas are "freedom fighters".
That brought out some nasty, hidden hatred. Cervezagrada, and a name removed spoke in the thread.
Anyone know what they said? Cerveza's was hidden.