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Title: primitive professional ethics
Post by: franksolich on July 20, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
There’s a certain primitive, the Aristus primitive, who hasn’t been featured in the DUmpster much, if at all, even though he’s boss of the Lounge, the second-largest forum on Skins’s island.  To his credit, he doesn’t throw his weight around, he doesn’t enforce his “authority,” and probably he never even intended to become boss there.

It seems to be something that just happened naturally; when the Lounge primitives are in need of some sort of guidance, they immediately look to him.

The Aristus primitive is a physician’s assistant, practicing in Washington state.  He was born and raised in Texas, and served in the military.  (Information supplied by the Aristus primitive himself.)  I’m guessing he’s probably in his early 40s.

Now, usually such an individual would turn out a decent and civilized person, but the Aristus primitive ended up being, well, being a primitive.

I’m not sure how that happened, his evolution into primitivity, but judging from examining his eyes in self-posted photographs of himself, he might’ve been a victim of “blunt force trauma” to the back of his head.  And yes, it’s possible to sustain significant brain damage and still be a highly-functioning human being, if one’s lucky enough, and some are.

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The Aristus primitive, given his professional longevity, undoubtedly observes the ethics of his profession; I’m not a medical professional myself, but I’ve never seen him come anywhere near violating what I understand to be generally-practiced ethics of the medical profession.

It’s true that I grew up in a medical family where the atmosphere, the environment, was suffused with discussion of things medical, but being a late child and deaf, I didn’t have much time or talent to absorb much of it, before that home-life evaporated, and I was left a sullen, morose, woebegone orphan.

But I need to stress this point; if I were seeking medical advice and assistance, if the Aristus primitive were one of my options when seeking an ethical professional, I’d have no hesitation seeking him out.

But still, there’s something that, well, kind of bothers me.

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I’d thought about this much, when observing CaliforniaPeggy and Dennis the Menace, the “denninmi” primitive.  CaliforniaPeggy is a now-retired registered nurse of long standing, and Dennis the Menace was one of the nuts.

When Dennis the Menace figured out he was being light-heartedly lampooned in certain quarters, he got all upset and bent out of shape, and went to CaliforniaPeggy for advice and counsel.

Given the ethics of her profession, CaliforniaPeggy should’ve gently suggested to Dennis the Menace that because he was nuts, he really had no business hanging around Skins’s island; that he should be seeking professional help, not primitive enablement.

But no, she didn’t do that; she instead whined to Skins about how certain people were being mean to him.

Maybe because she’s retired now, CaliforniaPeggy didn’t feel compelled to observe the ethics of her former profession; I dunno.

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The Aristus primitive however is still a practicing medical professional.

Some here might, or might not, know this, but anyway, the Aristus primitive and the greasy bloated Bostonian Drunkard are bosom-buddies, chums, pals.

(The Bostonian Drunkard by the way’s currently vacationing in England, courtesy Mama Raven.)

They get along like strawberries-and-cream.

Now, the Aristus primitive is surely aware that the Bostonian Drunkard has a serious problem, a really serious problem, with sucking on the bottle.  This is a guy who the evening of his infant daughter’s first birthday, went out and got sordidly drunk, among other things.

The Bostonian Drunkard’s weakness is destroying his body and his life, and the Aristus primitive knows it.

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However, one looks in vain for any suggestion, even the gentlest one, from the Aristus primitive, counseling the Bostonian Drunkard to cool it with the bottle, to lay off.  In fact, at times the Aristus primitive seems to encourage this self-destructive habit, suggesting it’s not any big deal, it’s only a minor, meaningless thing, the Bostonian Drunkard making an ass of himself.

And the bitch of it is, given the Aristus primitive’s standing among the primitives, if he were to suggest something to the Bostonian Drunkard, the Bostonian Drunkard’d do it.

Thus my question here, given my inadequate understanding of professional medical ethics; is the Aristus primitive violating those ethics by encouraging, rather than discouraging, a self-destructive habit?
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: franksolich on July 20, 2014, 09:52:58 AM
"the Bostonian Drunkard's enabler"
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=97303.0
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Big Dog on July 20, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Thus my question here, given my inadequate understanding of professional medical ethics; is the Aristus primitive violating those ethics by encouraging, rather than discouraging, a self-destructive habit?

This is probably the best question arising from the DUmpmonkey's behavior, I have ever read. Seriously.

Professional ethics, whether they are for a medical professional like Aristus, a lawyer, a CPA, or any other profession, apply to the provider's actions in the practice of his/her profession. A doctor doesn't violate medical ethics by recommending that someone ignore a subpoena, and a lawyer doesn't violate legal ethics by recommending  that someone ignore abdominal pain.

But a doctor (or PA) who offers any kind of medical advice, solicited or unsolicited, creates a provider/patient relationship. Once that relationship has been established, the professional bears an ethical and legal responsibility for his/her side of the relationship- the responsibility to obtain a proper medical history, to examine the patient to a degree sufficient to properly diagnose AND to rule out other diagnoses, to prescribe treatment in accordance with state and federal law, to follow up on the treatment, and to keep documentation sufficient for his/her actions to be reviewed by the appropriate licensing board.

At the heart of it, anything Aristus writes about the health of any other DUmpmonkey, even if it appears innocuous, could create a liability problem. Sure, he's a DUmpmonkey, but he's not stupid. He's one of the DUmp bourgeoisie, not the unterprimitiven.

Aristus is also under no legal or ethical obligation to provide his professional services (which are his Wealth) to the DUmmies with no remuneration; although the DUmmy would mightily protest my application of libertarian, capitalist, and objectivist  principles to his actions, he knows what side his bread is buttered on. If Poor, Poor Pitiful Pitt wants medical advice, he can find a local doctor, or haul his drunken ass out to Aristus on the West Coast, and pay for it.

Cal/Peg, the geriatric tranny, is not bound by the ethics of the nursing profession, because she no longer works as a nurse nor holds a nursing license. She may choose to follow those parts which would still apply, if there are any, but is under no ethical or legal obligation to do so.

Celtic Rose is much better qualified than I am to discuss the details of nursing ethics; maybe she'll educate us all.  Celtic Rose, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

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Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: franksolich on July 20, 2014, 10:19:02 AM

Good answer, great answer, wonderful answer, even though it doesn't agree with my own imperfect understanding of medical professional ethics--and yours is undoubtedly more on the mark than mine.

I guess my perception's based upon personal experience.  There are just s-o-o-o-o-o many people who changed this life, usually for the better, that I can't think of them all.

And some of those happened to be professionals in one field or another, who offered by-chance unsolicited but gentle advice and counsel.

I suppose I was imagining that if one's an expert in something, he has a moral, personal, and social obligation to set someone straight, who's not, and whether or not it's asked for.

It worked for me--outstandingly--but maybe I'm just one-of-a-kind.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Big Dog on July 20, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
Good answer, great answer, wonderful answer, even though it doesn't agree with my own imperfect understanding of medical professional ethics--and yours is undoubtedly more on the mark than mine.

I guess my perception's based upon personal experience.  There are just s-o-o-o-o-o many people who changed this life, usually for the better, that I can't think of them all.

And some of those happened to be professionals in one field or another, who offered by-chance unsolicited but gentle advice and counsel.

I suppose I was imagining that if one's an expert in something, he has a moral, personal, and social obligation to set someone straight, who's not, and whether or not it's asked for.

It worked for me--outstandingly--but maybe I'm just one-of-a-kind.

When we were young was a simpler, less litigious time. Those days are gone, my friend.

There is also a significant difference between a professional giving you advice directly, and posting professional advice (solicited or unsolicited) onto an Internet board.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 20, 2014, 10:54:19 AM
If he's piling on the revs while the pompous trustbaby is hurtling toward self-destruction, I have to take the larger view that it's for the greater good of mankind.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Big Dog on July 20, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
If he's piling on the revs while the pompous trustbaby is hurtling toward self-destruction, I have to take the larger view that it's for the greater good of mankind.

If Poor, Poor Pitiful Pitt joins the round red sodomite and Chief S itting Bull in the great hereafter, I'm going to nominate Aristus for Dummy of the Year. A solid gold one, not the plated brass one we usually give out. He's grand bourgeoise, so he could tell the difference.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Dori on July 20, 2014, 12:25:58 PM

Thus my question here, given my inadequate understanding of professional medical ethics; is the Aristus primitive violating those ethics by encouraging, rather than discouraging, a self-destructive habit?

Aristus seems to have his own drinking issues.  Does he ever post anything without mentioning what he's drinking?

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Aristus (33,826 posts)

I'm staying up late and getting blitzed. Anybody want to hang out? [View all]
 
I'm sipping on some authentic Polish vodka. I can't read the label, so I can't tell if it's distilled from grain, like a proper vodka, or from potatoes, like the cheap stuff...

How's everybody doing tonight?

 
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pscot (17,806 posts)

3. All quiet here on the banks of the Salish Sea
 
If you aren't Slavic, be careful with that stuff. It's deadly.


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Aristus (33,826 posts)

4. Yeah, but it has a low hangover index.
 
I have to work tomorrow...

 
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Aristus (33,826 posts)

10. ourselves.
 
I think.

I can't remember the quote right now. I'm a little hammered. Will's outside puking in the bushes. He'll be back in a minute ordering a round for the house...

Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: obumazombie on July 20, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
"Oever : Alright, Give me Hamm on 5, hold the Mayo."
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: franksolich on July 21, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
Okay now, I got this, from ostensibly a primitive:

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please tell frank and big dog that in this thread he has posted
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=97301.0

that the William that Aristus is talking about and who was puking in the bushes is that ****ing idiot Aristus's imaginary friend William Shakespeare.

If I had to see him for health care I would slit my wrists and bleed to death but it stands to reason he would have to have an imaginary drinking partner because he is such a creep LOL

I knew that the Aristus primitive is a fan of William Shakespeare, whose plays the Earl of Oxford really wrote, and sometimes carries on "conversations" with the old bard, but I was referring to his interactions with the sordid sleazy greasy Bostonian Drunkard, Bill, not Will.

It startles me however that not every primitive is a fan of the Aristus primitive.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Big Dog on July 21, 2014, 07:48:44 PM
Okay now, I got this, from ostensibly a primitive:

I knew that the Aristus primitive is a fan of William Shakespeare, whose plays the Earl of Oxford really wrote, and sometimes carries on "conversations" with the old bard, but I was referring to his interactions with the sordid sleazy greasy Bostonian Drunkard, Bill, not Will.

It startles me however that not every primitive is a fan of the Aristus primitive.

Until this post, I thought Aristus was drinking with an imaginary William Rivers Pitt, who vomits in the bushes just like the real one.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: franksolich on July 21, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
Until this post, I thought Aristus was drinking with an imaginary William Rivers Pitt, who vomits in the bushes just like the real one.

But given his high standing and reputation among the primitives, I'll bet that if the Aristus primitive said to the Bostonian Drunkard, "okay, here's a list of Alcoholics Anonymous meetings in and around Rindge, New Hampshire, and another list of in- and out-patient drying-out clinics," the Bostonian Drunkard would obey him.

In fact, I'm rather surprised that Mama Raven never made Bill drying out, cleaning up, a condition of his receiving any trust funds.

Why are those who can do the most about something, don't do it?
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: obumazombie on July 21, 2014, 09:24:45 PM
Until this post, I thought Aristus was drinking with an imaginary William Rivers Pitt, who vomits in the bushes just like the real one.
Post of the day.
I just hope his mother wasn't a hamster, and his father didn't smell of elderberries.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: GOBUCKS on July 22, 2014, 01:54:34 PM
In fact, I'm rather surprised that Mama Raven never made Bill drying out, cleaning up, a condition of his receiving any trust funds.

Why are those who can do the most about something, don't do it?

Take another look at those photos of Dummy Mama Raven.

There's a high probability she's as much a drunkard as Bill.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 22, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
Take another look at those photos of Dummy Mama Raven.

There's a high probability she's as much a drunkard as Bill.

Also trusts differ in their terms; she may not be able to cut him off, even if she wanted to do that.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: Carl on July 22, 2014, 04:43:59 PM
Never forget that no matter how much surface civility they may extend to each other at times,deep down they still hate each other with demonic passion.
It is who they are.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: obumazombie on July 22, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
This thread topic reminds me of a missive...
A doctor a lawyer and an accountant are at sea after surviving their boat sinking.
Sharks come along and eat the doctor and accountant, but leave the lawyer alone.
Why ?
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: BlueStateSaint on July 22, 2014, 07:05:05 PM
This thread topic reminds me of a missive...
A doctor a lawyer and an accountant are at sea after surviving their boat sinking.
Sharks come along and eat the doctor and accountant, but leave the lawyer alone.
Why ?

Professional courtesy.
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: dutch508 on July 22, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
There are some things even a shark can't stomach.

 :lol:
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: obumazombie on July 22, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
^Well done my caver friends...
Hi5 for BSS, BS for dutch...because he loves them so much !
Title: Re: primitive professional ethics
Post by: GOBUCKS on July 27, 2014, 12:44:39 PM
Also trusts differ in their terms; she may not be able to cut him off, even if she wanted to do that.

It's very unlikely that much if any of it remains.

It was an act of financial desperation when the alcoholic city boy Bill was forced to give up his Boston apartment and move, with his tattooed bride and their whelp, into mama DUmmy Raven's cabin in the wilds of New Hampshire.