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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on June 30, 2014, 08:43:58 PM
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Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:35 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,859 posts)
I just wrote to a lawyer about this gift card I have for Hobby Lobby
Last edited Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:26 PM - Edit history (1)
First I called their corporate headquarters and told them I wanted my money back because of their abuse of women concerning blocking contraception. I got the CEO's assistant and he was very curt and told me they would not give the money back and then hung up on me.
In case anyone else wants to contact them and tell them what a bunch of shit asses they are, (or maybe don't use those words) And to tell them that you will never shop in their store and you will tell all your family and friends not to shop there. (And whoever else - you church?)
DAVID GREEN - Hobby Lobby
405-745-1110 - Wouldn't it be nice if their phones blew up?
david.green@hobbylobby.com
We really can do something about this travesty if we try. I imagine they don't pay their female workers much so it would be hard for them to get contraception without health care. (more abortions you hobby lobby misogynists!)
Here is a link describing the reason these people do this things.
https://www.aclu.org/using-religion-discriminate
Here is my letter to the lawyer in case anyone wants to read it and see some of the points I made - not that I know they will contribute to his taking my case.
Hello Mr.
I am writing to you because I am furious that Hobby Lobby, who just got permission from the Supreme Court to deny its employers birth control coverage. I have a gift card that has a small amount of money on and I called the corporate office and spoke with his assistant. I was told that they would not give my money back and that was that.
I believe that should I find out a company is doing harm to its employees I have a right to not support that company and in this case it would be to get my money back from a gift card I got while bringing and item back to the store. Instead of giving my money back they gave me the gift care, (a practice that I also think it unfair since they are basically saying you can only spend that returned in their store)
I find their views on contraception misogynist, irresponsible and manipulative. I believe at the bottom of all these anti-contraception laws are men who don't like women in the workplace. Of course this highly religious company does not care that by not covering contraceptives that are only increasing the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus the number of abortions.
I would like to sue them for the amount they owe me on the card and hopefully it will get publicity and others will do the same, (or a class action suit). I believe there are not many people who do not want the gift card or maybe their purchases from Hobby Lobby now.
And I did not know about their desires for this ability to deny health care when I brought back the item that I received the gift card from. It was a few years ago.
Sincerely,
This DUmmy is worth keeping an eye one. It's a special kinda stupid.
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:55 PM
wilsonbooks (377 posts)
1. the phone number did not work for me.
Response to wilsonbooks (Reply #1)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:21 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,859 posts)
8. I just tried it and got static. I wonder if they shut the phone off because they
are getting so many calls. I'm going to look for some other numbers for them.
Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #8)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:12 PM
Star Member emsimon33 (1,693 posts)
19. The "static" is a FAX machine--which some of us are old enough to remember
:rotf: Wonder how he called and talked to the CEO's assistant? No one called her on it.
Response to lame54 (Reply #2)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:00 PM
derby378 (29,376 posts)
17. I'm trying to organize a protest at their North Dallas location
So far, it's just me, so I took refuge at a nearby McDonalds to see if I have any takers.
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:02 PM
Mr.Bill (2,153 posts)
4. Tell them you will buy something at their store
then sell the item on Craigslist and donate the money to Planned Parenthood.
Won't happen. They only donate other people's money.
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:07 PM
Star Member yeoman6987 (2,047 posts)
5. I hope you didn't send that yet
Reread it. There are problems throughout. The very last line, you have, "I was a few years ago".....I believe you mean "It was a few years ago" or "It has been a few years ago". Additionally, if this is store policy, I doubt that the lawyer can do anything.
Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #5)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:22 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,859 posts)
9. Wait, that was the letter to the attorney. I'm sure people write to attorneys with grave grammer
and the attorneys don't much care if it is a good case. And I checked and there were only a few problems.
But thank you for pointing it out otherwise and I did correct it on this thread.
And of course I had already sent it!
Response to hollysmom (Reply #6)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:49 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,859 posts)
14. This gift care thing is new. And yes, if the thing is not broken why should they give you back the
cash? And I may have had the receipt because I usually keep receipts but like I said this was a long time ago.
Look for a new tantrum tomorrow as the DUmbass discovers that her gift card expired. HL gets to keep the money.
Response to Moostache (Reply #18)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:22 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,859 posts)
32. That great but I'd rather take as much as possble and post them on street lamps around the city
Maybe I could do both.
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Sounds like a case for "Laser Haas, private attorney general".
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Go for it DUmmy. I bet a lawyer would love to charge you $500 per hr to fight for that $5 gift card.
:lmao:
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Sounds like a case for "Laser Haas, private attorney general".
Snork :)
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Maraya1969
... it would be to get my money back from a gift card I got while bringing and item back to the store. Instead of giving my money back they gave me the gift care, (a practice that I also think it unfair since they are basically saying you can only spend that returned in their store)
Let me guess, you didn't have a receipt for the item so they gave you a refund on a gift card. Am I right? Of course I am. Standard retail procedure.
Grow up, primitive.
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In honor of the moronnumbers primitive, I will go to Hobby Lobby tomorrow and spend $5.
I'll spend another $5 to celebrate the Supreme Court decision.
This one's for you, DUmmy!
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Call Kingfish's lawyer, Aljonquin J. Calhoun.
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Not worth it. But hey, they are DUmmies! :mental: :loser: :lmao:
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In honor of the moronnumbers primitive, I will go to Hobby Lobby tomorrow and spend $5.
I'll spend another $5 to celebrate the Supreme Court decision.
This one's for you, DUmmy!
I like your idea, there is a Hobby Lobby next to Bass Pro in Independence.
I'll stop in the next time I head up that way for fishing/hunting supplies.
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Maraya1969
... it would be to get my money back from a gift card I got while bringing and item back to the store. Instead of giving my money back they gave me the gift care, (a practice that I also think it unfair since they are basically saying you can only spend that returned in their store)
Of course the DUmmy had no receipt, so got store credit.
The DUmp should be outraged.
How's a shoplifter supposed to make a living?
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She needs to file a class-action suit. Round up a bunch of angry delinquents with gift cards and hire a lawyer. You'll get about five cents each while the lawyer pockets the rest.
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I like your idea, there is a Hobby Lobby next to Bass Pro in Independence.
I'll stop in the next time I head up that way for fishing/hunting supplies.
Completely off topic - Are you coming to BaconFest?
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Completely off topic - Are you coming to BaconFest?
I was planning to go. It's 23 August isn't it?
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Don't Dummies realize that these protests always backfire? Remember what we did when you wanted to boycott Chic-Fila? We had lines out the door, and cars circled around the restaurant.. all over the country.
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Don't Dummies realize that these protests always backfire? Remember what we did when you wanted to boycott Chic-Fila? We had lines out the door, and cars circled around the restaurant.. all over the country.
Well, everyone eats lunch.
I doubt crowds will line up for styrofoam balls and glitter, though those things are in high demand among democrats.
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Well, everyone eats lunch.
I doubt crowds will line up for styrofoam balls and glitter, though those things are in high demand among democrats.
That's true, but it wouldn't be hard for conservatives to shift over from AC Moores or Michael's to Hobby Lobby.
It's a moot point though. Dummies don't have disposable income. I'm pretty sure Hobby Lobby doesn't accept SNAP.
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I was planning to go. It's 23 August isn't it?
Excellent!
Yes, August 23. Watch for updates on the Baconfest thread in the Lounge.
<<<- still working on convincing franksolich to attend.
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Go for it DUmmy. I bet a lawyer would love to charge you $500 per hr to fight for that $5 gift card.
:lmao:
No they wouldn't. Lawyers prefer to be paid in something other photo copies of hands, empty Cheetos bags and healing white light. Skinner would have the same problem with the DUmbshits, if he wasn't being paid handsomely by the DLC to keep these clowns off the streets for at least 12 hours a day.
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Well, everyone eats lunch.
I doubt crowds will line up for styrofoam balls and glitter, though those things are in high demand among democrats.
Balls for their women and glitter for their men.
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Thanks, Tucker, for rowing over a highly entertaining thread! I've been laughing and laughing. :rotf:
Response to lame54 (Reply #2)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:00 PM
derby378 (29,376 posts)
17. I'm trying to organize a protest at their North Dallas location
So far, it's just me, so I took refuge at a nearby McDonalds to see if I have any takers.
:lmao:
Someone else pointed out that they pay their employees almost double the minimum. Those pills they're all insane about are $25 at Walmart.
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:10 PM
Moostache (1,694 posts)
18. Use the gift card to buy markers and poster board...
Then get a permit to protest and stand outside their door with signs denouncing them for their positions...or use the card to buy paper and find a Hobby Lobby that sells printer ink...print out 10,000 flyers denouncing the store, its manager, the CEO and the bastard familiy behind it all and dump them on their front door.
It's a $5 gift "care." Printer ink is $50 alone. And do you realize how much work you're asking this DUmmie to do?
:rofl:
And now, just to put on display how stupid they really are:
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:05 PM
NV Whino (16,154 posts)
27. Go buy something with the gift card
And then return it for a refund the next day
Response to NV Whino (Reply #27)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:01 PM
Star Member Maraya1969 (10,866 posts)
36. Ha! Good idea too. So many good ideas here.
Response to NV Whino (Reply #27)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:31 PM
WillowTree (2,402 posts)
60. Nice try, but the receiipt will show that it was purchased with a gift card
In that case, they'd just issue another gift card. And trying the return without the receipt will get a gift card, as well
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:15 PM
Star Member pnwmom (53,430 posts)
29. Take the card to the store and buy something with it. Then immediately return the item for cash. n/t
They never read each others' posts.
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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:12 PM
AngryAmish (20,832 posts)
49. The best thing you can do is poo in a box
Then mail it to hq.
I see a striped uniform with numbers on it in this DUmmy's future.
Now for the death strike.
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:41 PM
jberryhill (34,303 posts)
54. Would you like a lawyer's take on that letter?
First off, the circumstances under which you obtained this card are not clear. You say:
"a gift card I got while bringing and an item to the store"
I'm going to assume that this means you were given the stored balance card when you returned a previously purchased item to the store.
"Instead of giving my money back they gave me the gift care"
And you accepted that. The reason you accepted that is because it is probably posted as their return policy.
I assume you are aware that the store doesn't have to take returns at all. It's not clear why you were returning an item - whether it was defective or you just decided you didn't want it. However, a lot of stores do take returns pursuant to whatever policy they provide, which brings us to:
"(a practice that I also think it unfair since they are basically saying you can only spend that returned in their store)"
Marching through the grammar there, let me tell you about another unfair practice - People who buy stuff on credit cards, return the item for cash, and then deny the charge on their credit card. How often does that happen? Oh, about a zillion times a day. As a result of that, many stores issue in-store credit for returns. Alternatively, a lot of stores deduct a "restocking fee".
But whether you like their return policy or not, you accepted the terms of that policy.
And I will bet you dollars to donuts that one of the terms to which you agreed, when you agreed to take that card as a refund on your returned item is the fairly mundane and standard term that applies to these things.... That you can only redeem it for purchases, not cash.
The bottom line here, and there have been all kinds of class action suits in the past which have sorted out the terms on which these things are issued, is that ANY attorney looking at that letter is going to have one, and only one, question on his or her mind:
What are the terms on which the card is issued?
That card was issued pursuant to a contract to which you agreed. Whether their refund policy is referenced on your original receipt or posted in the store, the odds of there being terms in that policy under which you agreed you were not entitled to a cash refund of any balance on that card are, in the general likelihood of these kinds of things, close to 100%.
And... here you are:
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http://www.hobbylobby.com/customer_service/return_policy.cfm
In-Store Return Policy
Hobby Lobby values customer satisfaction -- with or without the receipt.
With Original Sales Receipt:
Within 90 days of purchase, we will gladly exchange the merchandise, give a store credit, or issue a refund based on the original method of payment. There will be a wait of 10 calendar days on check purchases, or merchandise credit can be issued.
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As I suspected without looking, depending on the original method of payment, it is up to them whether to issue a refund or give a store credit.
They gave you a store credit because you did not pay with cash.
Even if you did pay with cash, the point is moot, since you accepted the store credit.
The question then becomes "What part of 'store credit' do you not understand?"
So, here is what you are going to waste some attorney's time on:
1. Figuring out the circumstances under which you obtained the card, as the letter is not at all clear on the details of that.
2. Figuring out the Hobby Lobby return policy.
3. Explaining to you that you accepted "store credit" when you returned the item, and that the fact that you have now changed your mind does not change the fact that "store credit" is what you agreed to.
4. If necessary, further explaining to you that "store credit" means you were issued a credit to purchase items from the store for the stated value of that credit. It does not mean you were entitled to obtain that value or any part of it in cash.
I hope you know this attorney and that you have at least offered to buy him or her lunch.
(bonus point: if the card is issued pursuant to their normal gift card terms, it is likely that the balance expires at some point, because no company can simply carry as a liability an ever-growing number of small balances. At some point, the expired value becomes theirs and they take that as income for reporting purposes.)
At least the atty is gonna get a good laugh. Wouldn't surprise me if he forwarded it to all of his atty friends.
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In my JAG days, I once had a retired military couple come to see me in legal assistance over a $2.67 dispute with a book club, I should've just pulled three bucks out of my wallet, but I figured I'd probably get in trouble for that, the Army and JAG Corps being what they were (And generally they haven't improved a bit since), so I wrote a letter for them, consuming about an hour of attorney time altogether. I believe an equally-bemused customer service rep at the book club eventually cut them a check, which probably cost more than its face value to generate and process.
On a side note, my Dad was almost that nuts, he basically stole water from a dripping meter for over a year in Arizona, collecting it in a bucket to force-flush the toilet, all over a $30 dispute with the water company. When I found out what he'd been doing, I went downtown and paid them off the same afternoon.
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What happened last time they tried to boycott a company whose head was extremely religious? Oh.....that's right....
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/02/article-2182139-14559F9F000005DC-837_634x399.jpg)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-50197174/turbine/mc-pictures-chick-fil-a-day-20120801-007/600)
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:popcorn:
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Here's another idea to go with the poo-in-a-box:
Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:17 PM
Star Member Jim Lane (5,052 posts)
57. This is better than my first idea...
which was to find one of their stores and go shoplift something.
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I imagine they don't pay their female workers much so it would be hard for them to get contraception without health care.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Hobby-Lobby-Salaries-E7537.htm
$8 to $14 an hour
they could work one hour to pay for that months birth control
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derby378 (29,376 posts)
17. I'm trying to organize a protest at their North Dallas location
So far, it's just me, so I took refuge at a nearby McDonalds to see if I have any takers.
This sounds like the lonely homely DUmpette who picketed a Hooter's restaurant in that great photo.
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In honor of the moronnumbers primitive, I will go to Hobby Lobby tomorrow and spend $5.
I'll spend another $5 to celebrate the Supreme Court decision.
This one's for you, DUmmy!
At the risk of answering my own post (which may cause a tear in the fabric of the universe, or something):
I didn't spend $10 at Hobby Lobby, lurking DUmmies.
I spent $12.42, with sales tax.
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