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Title: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 05:50:14 PM

BHO is desperately trying to modify his position in extreme opposition to a war we are winning, but the
nutrootz and the MSM (God bless 'em) won't let him wriggle off the hook.

and this quote is just priceless:

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I was surprised by how finely calibrated every single word was measured

what does he think he's running for?  city council? :whatever:

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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

ST. LOUIS – Two days ago, Senator Barack Obama said he had not been clear enough in explaining his Iraq policy. Today, there was a different rationale.

The confusion was not his fault, Mr. Obama said, but rather the media’s for seizing on three words he uttered in Fargo, N.D., when he suggested he would be open to “refine my policies” on Iraq.

“I was surprised by how finely calibrated every single word was measured,” he said, speaking to reporters as he flew here from Montana.

Mr. Obama touched off a stir on Thursday when he said he would consult American military commanders in Iraq before saying whether he would continue to pursue a proposed timetable of withdrawing combat troops within 16 months of taking office. A few hours later, he took the rare step of calling a second news conference to reiterate his commitment to end the war.

“I was a little puzzled by the frenzy that I set off by what I thought was a pretty innocuous statement,” he said, speaking on Saturday about the episode for the first time. “I am absolutely committed to ending the war.”

When asked whether his Iraq views would be difficult to explain to voters, Mr Obama said: “What’s important is to understand the difference between strategy and tactics. The tactics of how we ensure our troops are safe as we pull out, how we execute the withdrawal, those are things that are all based on facts and conditions. I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

So did he misspeak on Thursday when he said he would gather additional information in Iraq and “continue to refine my policies?”

No, he said, he did not.

“I wasn’t saying anything that I hadn’t said before,” Mr. Obama said.

As he spoke here, a dozen or more reporters furiously took notes and recorded his words. Aides later conceded that Mr. Obama knows the office he seeks – the Oval Office – comes with a job description of calibrating and measuring every single word.

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: docstew on July 05, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 09:14:48 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)

the fact that the iraqi government met most of the benchmarks got ZERO play in the MSM.

Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 09:18:01 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)
For cryin' out loud! I cannot believe even the left would want this empty suit to be Commander In Chief. He doesn't have a ****in' clue!!!!!!!!!!! :thatsright:
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 09:21:20 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)
For cryin' out loud! I cannot believe even the left would want this empty suit to be Commander In Chief. He doesn't have a ****in' clue!!!!!!!!!!! :thatsright:

"change" almost never involves what we are changing to.  ask the Mensheviks.
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 09:28:11 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)
For cryin' out loud! I cannot believe even the left would want this empty suit to be Commander In Chief. He doesn't have a ****in' clue!!!!!!!!!!! :thatsright:

"change" almost never involves what we are changing to.  ask the Mensheviks.

What the hell are "Mensheviks"?
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
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Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue

I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/obama-refines-the-blame-on-iraq-miscue/)


ummmm... that's exactly what you're doing... ignoring facts on the basis of preconceptions

FACT: WE ARE WINNING
There is a long-standing military principle that you reinforce success.  The reason it is long standing is because it is exactly correct.  So we are going to violate the precepts of strategy that have worked for the last 5000 years because he wants to win an election?

FACT: THE IRAQI GOV'T HAS MET MOST OF THE "BENCHMARKS" WE SET FOR THEM
So now that they are doing exactly what we have asked of them, he's gonna say "ok guys, we know you can handle it, so we're outta here.  If we aren't happy with what happens from here on out, we're coming back and we're gonna be pissed..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_progress)
For cryin' out loud! I cannot believe even the left would want this empty suit to be Commander In Chief. He doesn't have a ****in' clue!!!!!!!!!!! :thatsright:

"change" almost never involves what we are changing to.  ask the Mensheviks.

What the hell are "Mensheviks"?

they opposed the bolsheviks in 1917.
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 09:43:13 PM

"change" almost never involves what we are changing to.  ask the Mensheviks.
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What the hell are "Mensheviks"?
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they opposed the bolsheviks in 1917.

Ah! That's a new one on me. Never heard of them before.  :bow:
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 09:48:06 PM

"change" almost never involves what we are changing to.  ask the Mensheviks.
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What the hell are "Mensheviks"?
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they opposed the bolsheviks in 1917.

Ah! That's a new one on me. Never heard of them before.  :bow:

I am a frustrated history major, in the body of a computer science major.   :-)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: franksolich on July 05, 2008, 10:03:37 PM
What the hell are "Mensheviks"?

The Mensheviks were Communists in pre-1917 Russia, but not under the control of Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

The Mensheviks were used by the Bolsheviks until they weren't needed any more, and then purged with 8 grams of lead each.

As with what happened to the Cadets in Russia, who although more towards the center, had been useful idiots for Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

The purge of the Mensheviks and Cadets were later overshadowed by the Great Purges of the 1930s, but at the time, this particular purge was one of the bloodiest in history.

This is something the primitives don't understand.

The useful idiots go first, and then later, the opposition.

If the primitives' fondest dreams come true, and we have a left-wing "revolution" in this country, the primitives will be the first to go, while decent and civilized people will be around a little longer.

It's always happened.  It's never not happened.
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 10:13:13 PM

a much better explanation than mine.  I am watching baseball. :-)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 10:23:57 PM
What the hell are "Mensheviks"?

The Mensheviks were Communists in pre-1917 Russia, but not under the control of Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

The Mensheviks were used by the Bolsheviks until they weren't needed any more, and then purged with 8 grams of lead each.

As with what happened to the Cadets in Russia, who although more towards the center, had been useful idiots for Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

The purge of the Mensheviks and Cadets were later overshadowed by the Great Purges of the 1930s, but at the time, this particular purge was one of the bloodiest in history.

This is something the primitives don't understand.

The useful idiots go first, and then later, the opposition.

If the primitives' fondest dreams come true, and we have a left-wing "revolution" in this country, the primitives will be the first to go, while decent and civilized people will be around a little longer.

It's always happened.  It's never not happened.

That explains everything I needed to know, thanks Frank!  :cheersmate:

That is one thing I always fail to understand, these idiots at the DUmp do not understand they will be the first to be 'weeded out', compared to the rest of us who still have something they will need. Libbers will have no usefull value, so they will be the first to be expunged. I have no idea why they do not comprehend this fact of life!

Oh well, I guess that's one way to get rid of our garbage, as long as we can also rise to the occasion and exterminate our enemies!
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: NHSparky on July 05, 2008, 10:51:25 PM
Ol' Hussein is running out of bodies to throw under the bus.  Think the MSM will notice?
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 11:03:56 PM
Ol' Hussein is running out of bodies to throw under the bus.  Think the MSM will notice?

Not a chance!

It's like Rush says, everytime the MSM has a layoff, it diminishes the Messiah's election crew!
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Zeus on July 05, 2008, 11:16:59 PM

and this quote is just priceless:

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I was surprised by how finely calibrated every single word was measured


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cd-AJeJvBE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Jim on July 05, 2008, 11:29:48 PM
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I was surprised

He gets surprised a lot as its his standard response for a screw up.

Can we afford a president who is continually surprised at the most predictable things ?
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Zeus on July 05, 2008, 11:39:33 PM
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I was surprised

He gets surprised a lot as its his standard response for a screw up.

Can we afford a president who is continually surprised at the most predictable things ?

Baractrack Obama makes Walter Mondale smile   ::)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 05, 2008, 11:40:42 PM
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I was surprised

He gets surprised a lot as its his standard response for a screw up.

Can we afford a president who is continually surprised at the most predictable things ?

This empty suit can't find his ass with BOTH hands! How in the hell does he figure he could be PRES?  :bird:
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Wretched Excess on July 05, 2008, 11:45:39 PM
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I was surprised

He gets surprised a lot as its his standard response for a screw up.

Can we afford a president who is continually surprised at the most predictable things ?

This empty suit can't find his ass with BOTH hands! How in the hell does he figure he could be PRES?  :bird:

we just nominated john mccain.  no one is excited.  he could very well be our next president.

Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Zeus on July 05, 2008, 11:46:25 PM
NOBAMA
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&eurl[/youtube]
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: AllosaursRus on July 06, 2008, 12:01:44 AM
NOBAMA
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&eurl[/youtube]

THAT is fantastic! What a voice! She's exceptional! What a Sweetheart.

I just hope being political won't hurt her chances of becomuing a STAR!

We need more of our conservative blacks to come forward and express their views.

This Babe is a SWEETHEART!!!! What a voice!!!   :blowkiss: Oh, I guess I said that already! LOL  :-)
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on July 06, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
"I am not somebody – unlike George Bush – who is willing to ignore facts on the basis of my preconceived notions.”

This coming from the guy who vowed unconditional surrender to a brutal and sadistic enemy without knowledge of or care for the facts on the ground because such a stance would help him secure his party's nomination.
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2008, 08:57:55 PM
NOBAMA
...

THAT is fantastic! What a voice! She's exceptional! What a Sweetheart.

I just hope being political won't hurt her chances of becomuing a STAR!

We need more of our conservative blacks to come forward and express their views.

This Babe is a SWEETHEART!!!! What a voice!!!   :blowkiss: Oh, I guess I said that already! LOL  :-)

I am serious when I say this -- she is probably in physical jeopardy. If the racists on the left find out one of them uppity negras has left the plantation, they will physically try to hurt her.

This was very courageous and principled -- I hope she stays safe.
Title: Re: Obama Refines the Blame on Iraq Miscue
Post by: DixieBelle on July 07, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
great video! yes, I'm sure she's been exiled.