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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on June 01, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
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Does your attitude about individual primitives change over time?
For the primitives, first impressions are engraved in granite, no matter what subsequently happens.
For decent and civilized people, first impressions aren't even traced in the sand on the beach; one takes one's time as things happen, to uncover the true primitive.
I'm sure that for most here, which includes myself, over time one sees how the primitives are even worse than our first impressions of them led us to believe.
In my case, perhaps the best illustration of this is Ms. Hindenberg, the defrocked warped primitive, "Warpy." Years and years ago, I used to admire Ms. Hindenberg--the archives, if one digs back far enough, show this--thinking she was just about the smartest, wisest, most competent primitive a primitive could be.
I was her number one fan.
But as time went on, I got to know her better, and see how mean, nasty, bitter, hate-filled, grouchy, spiteful, she is, and so my assessment of her got constantly downgraded; now it's to where Ms. Hindenberg rates, in my perception at least, in the bottom of the barrel. She's a drek primitive, and the sooner she self-combusts in a frenzy of hate and rage, the better a place this world will be.
<<<impressions of primitives are always pretty fluid, in this mind.
It goes the other way, too--franksolich is if nothing else open-minded--and there have been instances where a primitive's been civil, if not downright cordial, about franksolich, and I've had to think more highly of the primitive than I did before, being much less caustic than I used to be.
However, in these sorts of cases I'm not going to name names.
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My disgust for them grows daily.
It is one thing for them to be deranged idiots,it is another for them to demand more and more a dictatorial takeover of the country.
There may be those in power that think a population has their back on that and the result will be ugly and bloody.
Btw DUmbasses,you will lose if that is really what you think you want to have happen.
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Does your attitude about individual primitives change over time?
It can't.
I wish them nothing but inconceivable suffering from the first day they log on.
By the way, DUmmy Elad better dust off the Dead DUmmy forum.
The Cleveland ward heeler will come slithering through its gates any day now.
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My disgust for them grows daily.
Yeah, that's the most common, and understandable, reaction among decent and civilized people, and the primitives usually warrant it.
But what I'm finding are some stray exceptions; for example, there's one POGP (primitive of great prominence, bigger than a mere POP) whom I used to make much merriment of, given all of her vanity and silly pretensions.
But after she was cordial to me on Discussionist, and then publicly mentioned it on Skins's island what a cordial guy franksolich is, suddenly it all changed. It was a natural, not a conscious, change.
I used to refer to her by a different name, always appending the word "primitive."
But now I find myself referring to her simply by her self-chosen screen-name, and without the word "primitive."
For another example, there's another primitive, a middle-aged wishy-washy guy from down south, who said a couple of nice things about franksolich on Skins's island, and now good manners dictates that I call him only by his self-chosen screen-name, again without adding the descriptive "primitive" after it.
And in both cases, I no longer have the stomach to make merry of them; I'll quote them, but not taunt them.
<<<civility goes a long way with.
Of course, there's some primitives beyond redemption--in fact, the great majority of them--for one reason or another, usually because of their unrestrained hate and intolerance.
But it's not always because of their unrestrained hate that they're beyond redemption; I'm thinking here of Atman and Skippy, the NYC_SKP primitive, who even if they were nice guys (I know, it stretches the imagination to conceive such a thing), would still warrant mockery and ridicule because of their really crummy choices in haberdashery; it's as if they on purpose want to look like clowns.
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Coach got the hots for the CalPig.
Probably has something to do with that gaping mouth.
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DUmmies are communal animals, they run in a herd. How can you tell one from another?
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My disgust for them grows daily.
It is one thing for them to be deranged idiots,it is another for them to demand more and more a dictatorial takeover of the country.
There may be those in power that think a population has their back on that and the result will be ugly and bloody.
Btw DUmbasses,you will lose if that is really what you think you want to have happen.
I'd intended to use the word 'loathing' in place of 'disgust', but this covers it pretty well. :hi5:
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Coach got the hots for the CalPig.
Oh now, hardly.
But I will admit my attitude about her slightly shifted, because she didn't call me nasty names, which is the standard primitive behavior.
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I'd intended to use the word 'loathing' in place of 'disgust', but this covers it pretty well. :hi5:
"Loathing" is my preferred word.
How else can one feel about uncouth barbarians who get orgasmic about murdering infants, who don't care about millions being ground under the heels of socialist tyrants, who whine because they can't have sirloin steak when tens, if not hundreds, of millions go hungry for even a crust of bread, and who have nothing but contempt for those of us (the taxpayers) that sustain their standard of living without any help from them?
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DUmmies are communal animals, they run in a herd. How can you tell one from another?
Usually one can't; I think it'd be fair to say that even among those of us who've long-termed observed and studied the primitives, 99.9% of them remain lumpenunterprimitiven, a faceles blob of a gigantic lynch mob.
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A very few of them look like their might be a flicker of the light on somewhere. Most of them make such a bad impression, I just skip their posts after that- knowing what to expect.
@marv, cowards run in packs. Or in their case, bullies. These people are the epitome of the classic "go-ahead-crap-on-me, everyone-else-does", chip on their shoulder daring anyone to knock it off, drowning in self pity bullies. Ugh. They need to just FOAD
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A very few of them look like there might be a flicker of the light on somewhere.
It's unfortunate that while there's a few exceptions, the trend's nearly always downward.
I'm a very flexible person; I'm always willing to change my mind, either "up" or "down."
Perhaps the most drastic change in mind occurred the night of December 17, 2009, when the now-late Tangerine LaBamba showed up here, and began spilling the beans on the primitives.
She did some public posting, but I chatted with her nearly all the night long, behind the curtains.
She wasn't quite that easy, though; for example, she adamantly refused to say anything bad about the sparkling old dude--wouldn't even utter half a syllable against him--because they were old friends and pals, both of them being of Italianate derivation.
But all the other primitives, oh boy.....
I'm sure to this day it must've been a deathbed confession, making herself right with God, as she alas died (really) a few days later.
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Can't say I dislike any of them anymore now than I did a year ago, except for maybe the Klams. That's one bunch I'm on board with FOAD attitude. There are a few of the more outcast ones that I feel somewhat sorry for.
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Every time I think DUmmies hit a new low, they reach a much lower point. A clannish bunch.
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Can't say I dislike any of them anymore now than I did a year ago, except for maybe the Klams. That's one bunch I'm on board with FOAD attitude. There are a few of the more outcast ones that I feel somewhat sorry for.
As I mentioned, my feelings are fluid; I feel differently on Tuesday than I had on Monday, if a primitive's said or done something to justify changing the mind.
As for the unHoly Trinity of the screeching banshee she-women women's libbers on Skins's island, I never cared for the seabeyond bitch--not because of anything she's ever said, but simply because she's so incoherent, her postings so sloppy, she's so out of it, that one has no idea what she's saying. A waste of time.
The redqueen's nothing but a ball-cutter, so one can guess what I think about her.
The BainsBane primitive is, currently, rather problematic. Because she was so arrogant in her presumption that she's smart and we're stupid when she came here, the impression was wholly negative, a turn-off.
Well, she left here and tried dominating Skins's island, flapping her jugs around.
She's been brought down some notches--not enough, but some--on Skins's island, and maybe been humbled some. So right now the impression of her's in a state of uncertainty; I'm hovering, waiting for the next thing she says or does, to figure out if she needs upgraded or further downgraded in my own estimation of her.
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Every time I think DUmmies hit a new low, they reach a much lower point. A clannish bunch.
I tell you, sir, the biggest nose-dive occurred that memorable night, December 17, 2009.
If one checks my threads and comments dealing with the hippywife primitive prior to that date, one finds nothing but awed admiration for her; I thought she was the best thing since strawberries-and-cream.
But then Tangerine LaBamba illuminated me about the real hippywife.
I was blown away; hippywife had always seemed so nice, so homey, so pleasant, so chatty.
You're aware that the late Tangerine LaBamba showed up here that particular night because she'd just been kicked off of Skins's island. The powerful hippywife-Warpy-grasswire cabal that ran the cooking and baking forum were jealous of her wit and warmth, and wanted rid of her.
Also, the Bostonian Drunkard had a long-standing grudge against her.
At the time, it was known that Tangerine LaBamba was seriously ill and dying (although no one expected her to leave this time and place as quickly as she did), and to me, that was the most craven act of cruelty perpetuated by primitives on one of their own; kicking off a sick and dying woman, driving her away from her fellow primitives into the embrace of their foes, who took better care of her than they ever did.
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I tell you, sir, the biggest nose-dive occurred that memorable night, December 17, 2009.
If one checks my threads and comments dealing with the hippywife primitive prior to that date, one finds nothing but awed admiration for her; I thought she was the best thing since strawberries-and-cream.
But then Tangerine LaBamba illuminated me about the real hippywife.
I was blown away; hippywife had always seemed so nice, so homey, so pleasant, so chatty.
You're aware that the late Tangerine LaBamba showed up here that particular night because she'd just been kicked off of Skins's island. The powerful hippywife-Warpy-grasswire cabal that ran the cooking and baking forum were jealous of her wit and warmth, and wanted rid of her.
Also, the Bostonian Drunkard had a long-standing grudge against her.
At the time, it was known that Tangerine LaBamba was seriously ill and dying (although no one expected her to leave this time and place as quickly as she did), and to me, that was the most craven act of cruelty perpetuated by primitives on one of their own; kicking off a sick and dying woman, driving her away from her fellow primitives into the embrace of their foes, who took better care of her than they ever did.
What a horrible bunch they are. Such self-absorbed bunch. We are talking about a dying person and they just cast her away. They would be more sympathetic as they are older crowd.
Than again, they do not grow up and act like overgrown adolescents.
No wonder why DUmmies are for death panels.
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Does your attitude about individual primitives change over time?
For the primitives, first impressions are engraved in granite, no matter what subsequently happens.
For decent and civilized people, first impressions aren't even traced in the sand on the beach; one takes one's time as things happen, to uncover the true primitive.
I'm sure that for most here, which includes myself, over time one sees how the primitives are even worse than our first impressions of them led us to believe.
I am not so sure that axiom holds (although rigid thinking is a hallmark of primitives).
I like you from the beginning and I like you now and have no reason to change my opinion of you.
Unless you have been drowning puppies or something else of which I am unaware.
Damn you Frank! Your drowning puppies messes up my image of you. But not so much I will change my image of you!
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
(that latter part was an example of how the primitives keep attached to Teh Won in the face of facts and also how the MSM turns rumor into fact --I know in reality Frank loves puppies, kitties, butterflies, and most CCers...)
:)
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TLB committed suicide, and not a minute too early.
Good riddance.
I remember how giddy, how happy she was, discussing the death of Barbara Olson on 9/11.
No matter how bad hippywife and the Klams may be, and they are contemptible, they can't hold a candle to the evil of TLB.
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TLB committed suicide, and not a minute too early.
Good riddance.
I remember how giddy, how happy she was, discussing the death of Barbara Olson on 9/11.
No matter how bad hippywife and the Klams may be, and they are contemptible, they can't hold a candle to the evil of TLB.
Huh?
(http://www.logan.cc/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Johnny-5-from-Short-Circuit.jpg)
Suicide and evil?
DETAILS! DETAILS!!
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Oh now, people are always evolving, always changing, and so it's not good to keep a permanent impression of them.
I'm sure that franksolich before January 20, 2001 (the foundation of Skins's island) is a great deal different from franksolich since then.
For example, I used to be immediate and unconditional in accepting other people, no matter who and what they were; nowadays, I need to see their resume, their academic transcripts, their credit reports, their criminal records, their blood-alcohol-drug content, and learn their family history going back six generations, before I decide to accept and like them or not.
Some might consider that wise, being cautious; others might find the loss of trust disturbing.
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DETAILS! DETAILS!!
She had terminal cancer, a condition about which her detractors were fully aware.
It got too painful for her, and so she took an overdose of pharmaceuticals prescribed to help her deal with the pain.
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TLB committed suicide, and not a minute too early.
Good riddance.
I remember how giddy, how happy she was, discussing the death of Barbara Olson on 9/11.
No matter how bad hippywife and the Klams may be, and they are contemptible, they can't hold a candle to the evil of TLB.
Oh now.
I always considered the late Tangerine LaBamba a great deal like my good pal Manny, the "MannyGoldstein" primitive.
If one wants to get along with the primitives, one's compelled to make statements that earn the approval of the primitives, even though one doesn't really mean it.
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Judy grasswire must've been here, and reported back to her fellow primitives.
I swear, the whole cooking and baking forum from Skins's island has been here, reading this.
<<<hopes Judy's enjoying the story dedicated to her, too.
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You may also recall TLB bragging about conspiring with a grocery clerk to shoplift cheese.
Of course DUmmies lie, all the time, but it's usually about doing something good.
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You may also recall TLB bragging about conspiring with a grocery clerk to shoplift cheese.
Of course DUmmies lie, all the time, but it's usually about doing something good.
True, that wasn't one of her finer moments, like her comment about Barbara Olson--also she wasn't too kind about Robert McNamara--but on the scale of repulsive things that primitives do and say, it was pretty minor.
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You're a kind person, frank. And obviously generous by nature. I used to think of leftists the way I think about people in general- because...they're people. But eventually, I realized (or maybe the word is "accepted") that these are people who are so brainwashed & so inherently damaged & dysfunctional, the only thing you can do is keep your distance & watch your back very carefully. If you give them a quarter of an inch, it's not going to be pretty.
That's why I keep an eye on du. I saw it coming in 2007 & it's 1000 times worse now. Pinch yourself. Bite your tongue. But never, EVER let your guard down. They screw people over because they get off on it.
Something really, really bad is going to happen if we don't get our country back PDQ.
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I voted changed for the worse because just when I think a particular dummie... could be any of the dummies... have hit rock bottom he/she/it brings in a large back hoe and starts digging deeper.
I've watched the dummies off and on since 2003 or so and they never fail to surprise me with their utter lack of human decency... and the thing that gets me is they are proud of it!
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But never, EVER let your guard down. They screw people over because they get off on it.
Something really, really bad is going to happen if we don't get our country back PDQ.
Others may remember differently, and my memory isn't the definitive one, but this is the way I recall it: when I was growing up, politics played little, if any, role in associations between two individuals. One person was a Republican, the other a Democrat. Big deal; it didn't matter, because there were other things (shared interests, shared tastes, shared talents) that counted for more.
Politics didn't make any more difference than if one person collected postage stamps, and the second person had blond hair. It was a difference, but it was so trivial.
That all changed in November 1980.
And man, did it change.
That was when I first discovered that people who were Democrats didn't want to have anything to do with me.....only, and only, because I was of the other political party.
It got evil. I was stunned.
Of course, the elections of 1980 had a profound effect on Democrats, liberals, and primitives; it was after all a crushing, humiliating, embarrassing defeat for them. (Everybody nowadays thinks only back to the landslide of 1984, forgetting that 1980 too had been a landslide of historic proportions, although not as big as the one four years later.)
But hey, as a Republican, I'd lived through crushing, humiliating, embarrassing defeats myself, and that never affected how I felt about family and friends who were Democrats.
Why were these people taking things so personally; it was only politics, after all. There's bigger, more important, things in life than politics.
It got worse and worse and worse as we went through the Reagan-Bush-Gingrich-Bush prosperity; these people were really angry, really bitter, and didn't want to get along at all.
I haven't even bothered to try befriending a Democrat since 1992. It's pointless.
They, not us, were the ones who made ideology the single criteria for friendship, or non-friendship.
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The old saying "familiarity breeds contempt" applies to me - the more I know about them, the less I like them at all. These people live and breathe far-left politics, half or more are insane, and are overall miserable creatures with few exceptions. It is possible to be friends with a Democrat, though, if you can get the Democrat to never talk about politics or religion.
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It is possible to be friends with a Democrat, though, if you can get the Democrat to never talk about politics or religion.
Back before the elections of 1980, it was possible even to discuss politics with them.
It was politics; it wasn't any big deal, any more than arguing the virtues of the Nebraska Cornhuskers versus the Oklahoma Sooners.
Now, God forbid.....
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What a horrible bunch they are. Such self-absorbed bunch.
They are. It wouldn't be quite as bad if they didn't put on such nonsensically altruistic airs. Their benevolence, with other peoples' stuff, knows no boundaries. Their covetous nature is the worst type of greed and none of them understand this to the slightest degree whatsoever.
It is funny to watch the light bulb go from .0005W to 1W, on occasion, but it's purely accidental. Just when you think a few of the shriveling puss buckets are stumbling onto a clue, they shit down both legs and recline back into the stupid. They can't help themselves. The Cognitive Disconnect opens some relay in their indoctrination and, .... back to drooling idiot consumed with envy, self-loathing and a weird childlike fear of, just the possibility, of being totally wrong.
A horrible bunch, indeed.
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Their benevolence with other peoples' stuff knows no boundaries.
Oh yes, there's that too.
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Quote from: the county on Today at 09:32:50 PM
It is possible to be friends with a Democrat, though, if you can get the Democrat to never talk about politics or religion.
I know a couple who refuse to shuck the (D)Marxist party, primarily because they haven't woken up yet. They just can't admit what is staring them in the face. They're simple acquaintances, nothing more.
Back before the elections of 1980, it was possible even to discuss politics with them.
It was politics; it wasn't any big deal, any more than arguing the virtues of the Nebraska Cornhuskers versus the Oklahoma Sooners.
Now, God forbid.....
The reign of Ronaldus Maximus, crushing that putz Carter, really set quite a few off. AFAIAC, Carter was the last (D)Marxist elected honestly. It was the 70's and lots of actual well-meaning folks with functioning brains, were bamboozled. They learned their lesson and woke up for 1980. I tried to have some honest discussion in college around 81-83.
Impossible.
They had run off the rails, completely. These were hard left Marxist and Trotskyites and it was very chilling to experience.
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@frank, I remember the same. Not many people saw it at the time (unless they were in the thick of it, where stuff was happening), but in my memory, this goes back to the 60s. (Actually, it's much further back than that) There have been things going on, under the radar, all these decades. It makes no sense why they would freak out about President Reagan- or even Dubya, really, but that's because people are still unaware of what's been going on behind the scenes in "foundations", "think tanks", "NGOs", & "endowments".
Look up a guy named Mark Gerzon & some of the other Weathermen/ SDS types & see where they've been these past 4 decades.
Check out the acknowledgements on PBS & see what those people do. If you haven't read Paul Kengor's The Communist, you should. These people are like termites. And to a brainwashed person, it *is* personal. Each one of them is personally accountable for their role in bringing America down. That is their motivation. (Maybe that's why President Reagan is such an anathema to them. Newt Gingrich, too, although he gets blamed as the catalyst for the "new" acrimony)
I don't think that things have changed for them. They just decided it's safe (because things are so far gone) to show everyone who they really are.
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She had terminal cancer, a condition about which her detractors were fully aware.
It got too painful for her, and so she took an overdose of pharmaceuticals prescribed to help her deal with the pain.
I cannot revel in someone whose physical pain led him/her to the end.
I entered the discussion thinking we had a standard-issue prog who realized it was too stupid to live.
The loss of a primitive is a gain to mankind always. But we should not dance on that grave.
But I guess I was thinking the classic last words "President Gore" of a total idiot.
ALL THAT BEING SAID...
I understand the dearly departed was an evil witch whose terrible invective will not be missed...
So let her hate be buried with her.
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I understand the dearly departed was an evil witch whose terrible invective will not be missed...
So let her hate be buried with her.
Well now, even though it's been a long time ago, I for one feel deeply indebted to the late Tangerine LaBamba, because she was a gold mine of information that, without her, we'd still be trying to find much of it these five years later.
She was most generous, most giving.
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I don't remember references to cancer in the case of the hateful bitch TLB, even when her sister briefly posted here after her timely demise.
But if that's what it was, it doesn't change my impression of her by a millimeter.
I went back to see if there was a reference I've forgotten, and found some nice quotes.
When she was tombstoned, shortly before allegedly killing herself, most DUmmies were dancing with joy because she hated DUmmies as much as she hated normal people.
One of her least-favorite DUmmies was Pam Dawson, who was constantly a target due to her ludicrous, habitual lies.
Many DUmmies mentioned how Pam was brutalized (this was 2009, before Pam's DOTY win and before the envious DUmp started hating her).
It prompted this great post from Pam:
greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Dec-16-09 12:11 PM
71. Thank you all. I know she was very hateful to me. I do not know why
I have never lied on this forum, if anything, maybe I am too honest and too open.
And this:
madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Dec-16-09 09:19 AM
58. T LaB and I have become very good friends.
She is one of the kindest and most caring people you would ever want to meet.
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@frank, I remember the same. Not many people saw it at the time (unless they were in the thick of it, where stuff was happening), but in my memory, this goes back to the 60s. (Actually, it's much further back than that) There have been things going on, under the radar, all these decades. It makes no sense why they would freak out about President Reagan- or even Dubya, really, but that's because people are still unaware of what's been going on behind the scenes in "foundations", "think tanks", "NGOs", & "endowments".
Look up a guy named Mark Gerzon & some of the other Weathermen/ SDS types & see where they've been these past 4 decades.
Check out the acknowledgements on PBS & see what those people do. If you haven't read Paul Kengor's The Communist, you should. These people are like termites. And to a brainwashed person, it *is* personal. Each one of them is personally accountable for their role in bringing America down. That is their motivation. (Maybe that's why President Reagan is such an anathema to them. Newt Gingrich, too, although he gets blamed as the catalyst for the "new" acrimony)
I don't think that things have changed for them. They just decided it's safe (because things are so far gone) to show everyone who they really are.
My sentiments exactly......H5
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Well I loved zappaman but I don't see him being so funny anymore :(
I hope he's feeling well.
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Back before the elections of 1980, it was possible even to discuss politics with them.
It was politics; it wasn't any big deal, any more than arguing the virtues of the Nebraska Cornhuskers versus the Oklahoma Sooners.
Now, God forbid.....
I can talk with a handful of democrats. The one's that will actually condemn Obama and actually get pissed off at his law breaking.
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Every time I think DUmmies hit a new low, they reach a much lower point. A clannish bunch.
Libs are depraved. But they always leave room for deprovement.
Courtesy of my erstwhile next door neighbor.
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Every time I think DUmmies hit a new low, they reach a much lower point. A cKlannish bunch.
Fixed for accuracy.
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It always does - sometimes for the worse, but more often my opinion of the primitive moves laterally.
For example, I could start off thinking a primitive is dumb as a box of rocks, and that it 'deserves what it gets' in life - But after reading more posts I end up feeling that the same primitive is as dumb as a box of rocks, yet feel pity for it because its obvious something is malfunctioning in its head that might be from being dropped one too many times as an infant by its primitive parents.
In the above example, I still feel that the primitive is stupid. But instead of pure willful ignorance on its behalf, it could be there is a defect responsible for at least part of its behavior.
Occasionally my opinion improves, but only when the primitive proves itself to be a likely mole.
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Libs are depraved. But they always leave room for deprovement.
Courtesy of my erstwhile next door neighbor.
My opinion has only gotten worse. Liberals are the evil they blame on Conservatives. Further reading DU, KOS and other lib sites, liberals will kill if they feel they can get away with it.
A liberal has no friends, no sense of humor. But he will force his views on others at the point of a gun if he can.
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I can understand some evolution in how hone feels about a particular DUmpmonkey.
Each one is a blend of stupidity and evil.
A DUmmy without a whit of stupidity would be pure evil, while a DUmmy of absolute stupidity may not be evil.
But those are two types of DUmmy that don't exist. They're like absolute zero and infinity.
Skimmer might be the closest thing to the former, while Pam Dawson and Amber approach the latter.
As you learn more about a DUmmy, your assessment of his stupidity may be adjusted up or down, but is always accompanied by an corresponding, opposite change in his evilness.
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I don't know of any DUmmy I've ever met towards whom I've mellowed over time.
If my first impression was not correct, it was only in the sense that the individual was an even greater asshole than I first estimated.
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If my first impression was not correct, it was only in the sense that the individual was an even greater asshole than I first estimated.
Yeah, I think that's the most common experience.....like 99% of time.
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Look at it this way,one of their pet sayings is that we vote against our own best interests because some day we think capitalism will magically make us rich.
No one with a brain (excludes leftists) actually holds such a thought but whatever.
Despite what is now just short of a full century of history and evidence,these cretins actually do think that for being good and faithful servants,after the great marxist revolution,the overlords they dream of will reward them with riches and power.
If that day ever came DUmbasses,you will be bulldozed over in a trench.
For that level of willful idiocy as they demand their way be forced on the public it is almost impossible to not despise them.
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Libs are depraved. But they always leave room for deprovement.
Courtesy of my erstwhile next door neighbor.
The more I see DU, the more I realize they can really go off the rails.
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The more I see DU, the more I realize they can really go off the rails.
But, you have to ask yourself this question: Does one want to assist their 'going off the rails,' or does one merely watch? :confused: :whistling: :fuelfire:
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I voted Yes, for the worse.
Over the years, I've often wondered what kind of people exist that would elect the stupidity we have in DC.
After visiting the DUmp, I no longer wonder why...