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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 24, 2014, 07:15:30 PM
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MoonRiver (19,111 posts) http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10024993017
Madman Running Amok With Gun Du Jour
This time in Santa Barbara CA area. Gunman plus six others dead.
But hey, let's hand out guns to the "severely mentally disturbed" because you know, it's their constitutional right to bear arms. And if we go down the road of denying them access to weapons, it's a slippery slope to, gasp, SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL!!
Doubt the kid got the gun legally, but who am I to **** up a good leftist meme.
MoonRiver (19,111 posts)
29. I would make it much more difficult to obtain a gun.
We need extensive background checks, including mental health issues. Every gun purchase should be put into an FBI database. People who sell guns without doing background checks, or who sell to those who fail the background checks, along with adults who allow children access to guns, should be severely punished. I'm sure there are many other ideas about how to control the rampant gun violence in our country. Shrugging it all off, or deciding the situation is hopeless, are not responsible positions. But clearly gun lovers like you will fight tooth and nail to keep the status quo going.
Lizzie Poppet (4,199 posts)
87. I agree with most of those suggestions.
•Extensive background checks, including mental health issues. - Absolutely. The criminal part of the required checks is already extensive, but I think it's very possible to include comprehensive mental health data in the NICS system w/o compromising privacy. A big undertaking...but worth it.
•Every gun purchase should be put into an FBI database. - I'm not fond of ideas like this. I'm not sure what the actual benefit is.
•People who sell guns without doing background checks, or who sell to those who fail the background checks, along with adults who allow children access to guns, should be severely punished. - Again, absolutely. Straw purchasers should get prison time, as should sellers who fail to comply with the law.
I also want background checks to be extended to all transfers, proper firearms security mandated by law, and the idiotic war on drugs* ended. And I'm a gun owner and competitive shooter...
*Drug-related murders don't get the kind of media attention that incidents like this latest madman's rampage do, but they're orders of magnitude more common and much more of a problem.
Drug related murders are almost all black on black... We can't dare to talk about those.
malaise (118,818 posts)
2. 3...2...1
for the NRA defenders
dickthegrouch (1,884 posts)
124. Proposed gun control laws
Registration of all guns just like cars
No-one can transfer a gun to anyone else without registration forms being completed.
Regular testing of competence to use a gun, just like cars.
Get caught with even one unregistered gun, or commit any crime of violence, or make any threat to use the gun against a person and lose any and all weapons available to you (including those owned by/registered to family members at the same address, or any weapons at any address for which you have unlimited access).
Registered owner is the person responsible for any and all harm done by the weapon, unless a proof of theft from an appropriately strong safe can be furnished.
Anyone who shoots someone else in the dark without establishing their identity and the fact of their being armed is guilty of an offense (no more ridiculous stand your ground BS).
I'm sure others can come up with equally reasonable other suggestions
Nuclear Unicorn (11,178 posts)
3. We already give guns to the mentally ill, ego maniacs with god-like delusions.
They're called cops.
Duckhunter935 (3,275 posts)
141. If someone saw that prior to the shooting
they should have reported it and called the police. He posted the day prior and could have been stopped.
Looks like a spoiled little brat
Someone did see it. The police and the school were warned. They didn't do anything.
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Go ahead, DUmmies, change your traditional stripes and fight to make it easier to brand people as mental incompetents, I'm sure you'll want to be using it for your disability claims and to explain why nobody will hire you...you may not be quite so happy when you all lose your driver's licenses and have to have conservators appointed to handle you finances. Of course you'll be taking every vet with PTSD or a recorded TBI down with you, but I know that doesn't mean shit to you.
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Hmm... cops say the kid bought all three guns, all the mags and ammo legally...
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Hmm... cops say the kid bought all three guns, all the mags and ammo legally...
In California no less.
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Maybe we should ban guns from liberals? Seems like they're the biggest problem.
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Go ahead, DUmmies, change your traditional stripes and fight to make it easier to brand people as mental incompetents, I'm sure you'll want to be using it for your disability claims and to explain why nobody will hire you...you may not be quite so happy when you all lose your driver's licenses and have to have conservators appointed to handle you finances. Of course you'll be taking every vet with PTSD or a recorded TBI down with you, but I know that doesn't mean shit to you.
that may happen...BUT...it will be twisted and used to disarm political opponents. Been to a Tea party rally? You're not mentally competent to own a gun.
Liberals are criminally insane: utterly evil without a soul. DU cares nothing for the dead in Santa Barbara, all they care about is using the tragedy to further their agenda.
That's why I know all of you at DU are worthless pigs.
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Maybe we should ban guns from liberals? Seems like they're the biggest problem.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/democratviolence_zps92f66cce.jpg)
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/democratviolence_zps92f66cce.jpg)
Excellent graphic! It doesn't get any clearer than that. ^5
Banning Liberals. An idea who's time has come. Do it for the children that they either won't have or will abort casually for energy production.
Leftism is death.
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that may happen...BUT...it will be twisted and used to disarm political opponents. Been to a Tea party rally? You're not mentally competent to own a gun.
Liberals are criminally insane: utterly evil without a soul. DU cares nothing for the dead in Santa Barbara, all they care about is using the tragedy to further their agenda.
That's why I know all of you at DU are worthless pigs.
Gotta give them one thing. They are pretty loyal soldiers no matter the price. One of the victim's parents has already started blaming the NRA for this. http://www.keyt.com/shooting-rampage-victims-father-blames-nra/26158546
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Hmmmmm.
That is good; that needs to get out all over the place, so as to illuminate.
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Excellent graphic! It doesn't get any clearer than that. ^5
Banning Liberals. An idea who's time has come. Do it for the children that they either won't have or will abort casually for energy production.
Leftism is death.
Note my home state of S.C.. The western tip is very red, mostly white and very republican(except transplanted Yankees). Now look at central S.C. to coastal area very blue, large black population and mostly democrat.
OUTLAW DEMOCRATS! Problem solved.
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No one in the NRA has ever promoted giving guns to those mentally incapable of owning them I dare DU to prove it otherwise. We have had the head of the DOJ give guns to drug dealers and people were killed and yet none of them seem to care. Must because most of the dead are poor Mexicans.
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Go ahead, DUmmies, change your traditional stripes and fight to make it easier to brand people as mental incompetents, I'm sure you'll want to be using it for your disability claims and to explain why nobody will hire you...you may not be quite so happy when you all lose your driver's licenses and have to have conservators appointed to handle you finances. Of course you'll be taking every vet with PTSD or a recorded TBI down with you, but I know that doesn't mean shit to you.
They'll really be hating having somebody control that $16 life savings they had hid under that stained mattress.
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Depends on what is considered mental health.
People do snap from one thing or another, crimes of passion, find wife in bed with your best friend and in TX it use to be one could shoot them both with no problem.
It is the calm and well known, the Ministers and Rabies beloved men and woman in the community that are featured on Dateline for offing their spouses.