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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: I_B_Perky on March 29, 2014, 10:26:16 PM
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Real small bonfire. Sure to get bigger.
The OP:
Brigid (14,114 posts)
Well, for me Obamacare is a washout.
Went to a sign up event today and came away with nothing. Nada. Zip. El zilcho. Niente. Rien. You get the idea. I'm glad for those who are getting help. But for the rest of us, it's a big fat zero.
Own it dummie!!!
The link:
Reality hits Brigid in the face (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024751972)
The two comments before it goes down the skinner hole:
Sarah Ibarruri (20,360 posts)
1. What happened? And are you in Illinois? nt
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Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:28 PM
Star Member CaliforniaPeggy (108,289 posts)
2. What happened?
What kind of trouble did you have?
I brought this here before it disappears. If it stays up, gonna be a big bonfire.
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I won't be surprised if it gets deleted.
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It sounds like she found out she'd have to pay for it out of her own pocket.
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With about 58 responses it has turned into a 'blame the victim' swarm, slapping Brigid quite a bit.
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It sounds like she found out she'd have to pay for it out of her own pocket.
That's what us responsible folk do!
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If you are making less than $12K/yr as an individual, or whatever the cut off is for states that didn't do the medicaid expansion, you are permitted to claim you expect to make at least 12K. That will put you into the exchanges at the maximum level of subsidy getting you a bronze plan for free at the low end or a platinum for around $90 a month at the high end.
So what happens to all the people that will claim they don't make enough? You know they will and it will be a lot. Will they be prosecuted?
6 hrs ago
Fumesucker
25. For some of us estimating an income over $12,500 is not remotely plausible
For instance the long term unemployed can have incomes of zero.
Evidently lying about one's income on official documents is now Democratic policy.
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6 hrs ago
VanillaRhapsody
34. First of all you are in a Red State....that didn't expand Medicaid. THAT is not President Obama's
fault....as he himself has said....the reason there are not enough people WITHOUT insurance signing up is BECAUSE of so many Red State Govs NOT expanding Medicare. This means those folks that the Affordable Care Act was needed by THE MOST (because most of the uninsured are IN Red States) would not be receiving the much needed help. But you cannot blame that on the man.....he was planning for far fewer states outright balking than there currently are.
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this does point out a major FACT that the Rightwing doesn't want to acknowledge. Even though this many Red States are NOT expanding Medicaid....they have STILL nearly reached their goal of 7 million people. NOW...what's interesting IS...this means that even more that already HAVE coverage but are finding less expensive plans on the Affordable Care Act Marketplace......which means....TADA...its WORKING! It is bringing down the cost of health insurance....this means that private not on the Affordable Care Act policies are going to have to compete with those prices.....
WINNING!!!
ERMAGOD. :lmao:
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I did try the ACA website when shopping for insurance in January. Didn't work. Couldn't access pages, set a password, etc. The same issues others have run into. Finally tried to set a password of "screWthiS" just for fun. It was taken, of course. But, using their calculations and my states plans, I wasn't eligible for many options anyway.
So, I checked with a couple companies that friends use and doctor accepts. Picked one and called. Crummy plan that I consider "bankruptcy insurance" with a high deductible. My premium is higher than what friends are, but they've been customers for years. I dunno...
Got my first bill and it is in the neighborhood of what others I know pay. But, there is a line with an "Advance Premium Tax Credit" that is more than half of what the premium is! What? I never applied for a tax credit. Don't think I need a tax credit. Don't want said tax credit to come back and bite me next year.
Calling tax guy this week.
Have insurance frustrations? Thank a DUmmie.
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I did try the ACA website when shopping for insurance in January. Didn't work. Couldn't access pages, set a password, etc. The same issues others have run into. Finally tried to set a password of "screWthiS" just for fun. It was taken, of course. But, using their calculations and my states plans, I wasn't eligible for many options anyway.
So, I checked with a couple companies that friends use and doctor accepts. Picked one and called. Crummy plan that I consider "bankruptcy insurance" with a high deductible. My premium is higher than what friends are, but they've been customers for years. I dunno...
Got my first bill and it is in the neighborhood of what others I know pay. But, there is a line with an "Advance Premium Tax Credit" that is more than half of what the premium is! What? I never applied for a tax credit. Don't think I need a tax credit. Don't want said tax credit to come back and bite me next year.
Calling tax guy this week.
Have insurance frustrations? Thank a DUmmie.
From the sound of it, that's the insurance company anticipating what your Ocare tax credit will be based on whatever income etc. disclosures you made to them, not sure your tax guy will have a clue what you're talking about as I'm not sure the IRS has even developed the regs he would have to look at to figure it, so far the credit seems to be kind of an ad hoc deal applied by the insurers and exchanges based on HHS guidance, in anticipation of IRS rules that don't even exist yet.
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Hey, all of you lurking DUmbasses, check this out! Las Vegas Culinary Union Local 226 has voted to authorize a strike against their corporatist masters. Put on your comfortable shoes and show your solidarity with your Vegas brothers and sisters! I googled Las Vegas Culinary Union Local 226 strike on democrat underground.com and was shocked to find zero results. Your silence on this matter might be taken as showing tacit approval of the corporatist masters. Get on the stick, DUmmies.
Here is a link where you can learn all about it, you hypocrites.
AP Ignores Why Vegas Culinary Workers Have Authorized Strike: Obamacare
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/03/30/ap-ignores-why-vegas-culinary-workers-have-voted-strike-obamacare#ixzz2xSUv7Mae
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Hey, all of you lurking DUmbasses, check this out! Las Vegas Culinary Union Local 226 has voted to authorize a strike against their corporatist masters. Put on your comfortable shoes and show your solidarity with your Vegas brothers and sisters! I googled Las Vegas Culinary Union Local 226 strike on democrat underground.com and was shocked to find zero results. Your silence on this matter might be taken as showing tacit approval of the corporatist masters. Get on the stick, DUmmies.
Here is a link where you can learn all about it, you hypocrites.
Lump it all together, state and fed unemployment, workers comp, health insurance, 1/2 SocSec and add it to the workers hourly wage ...THEN TAKE IT ALL BACK so workers will see where the money is going and what they cost their employer. Won't be but a few socialist left to vote democrat then.
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Lump it all together, state and fed unemployment, workers comp, health insurance, 1/2 SocSec and add it to the workers hourly wage ...THEN TAKE IT ALL BACK so workers will see where the money is going and what they cost their employer. Won't be but a few socialist left to vote democrat then.
I'm going to go even further so maybe the Klu Klux Klams even piece this crap together in the context of their pet issue.
Let me start by first saying, I don't need separate bills; I look at what has been taken out and I cringe. Here is the part where the feminists and their ilk and all those bemoaning their livable wage come in. At middle income(which a lot of average single women are) that chunk taken out in taxes amounts to a roof over one's head. Losing enough income that could have paid for rent at the very least forces single women to consider pooling resources with either a roommate or the easier route for many women not being inclined to being assertive enough to manage a roommate situation is to shack up with a man.
Now, you boil all that down and essentially the mandated insurance and ridiculous tax burdens are more of a war on women and 'working families' then any other you could pretend to orchastrate the right as having on either of those groups. Onerous tax burdens are the enemy of free living. Reproductive freedom you say? To what end? Women don't have that freedom when they can not afford to even think about having children. Freedom to choose relationships; well that gets scrapped too when a woman must make a desperate move to shack up in order to maintain financial feasibility. Freedom to develop professionally? Not when you can't navigate that middle income area where you end up making less as you lose tax credits and have a greater burden but you are still a couple or a few years away from reaching the point of equilibrium. Freedom to choose the job you want? Not when such a huge chunk is taken out that taking jobs that might be more attractive to females is not an economically smart thing to do. Just think about it for a moment dumbasses and maybe just maybe you will get what I'm saying. Not hopeful, but maybe. And I'm speaking only to the rabid feminists there that support the continued debacles. How in the hell does an onerous tax burden that will penalize your protected group as they try and rise out of economic instability benefit women? How does making it harder to obtain a living wage for a woman ON HER OWN MERITS AND EFFORTS only hindered by tax policy improve the quality of life for that woman? I know they hate to hear this but this war is on ALL of us who want a better life and to live on our own merits and accomplishments but it's easier to point your finger at the evil men in the world while you support tax hikes, entitlements, and forced commerce that actually hurt women more then any misogynist boss or shitty boyfriend ever could because unlike the former, you can leave the latter. Your CHOICE is still in tact in optional situations like choosing a job or a lover. Your choice diminishes when you are forced to buy something, pay something to a tax authority, etc.
The crux of it is if you create an onerous tax burden like we have at this point including forced commerce, you put working families(many of whom are single women) at a substantial disadvantage to meeting their basic living expenses once all those onerous taxes are taken out. This discourages women from either remaining single(and making smarter relationship choices down the road) and from moving ahead where that middle income area can be a losing situation until they reach a little higher wage to make up for it AND you all cry for even MORE tax legislation that puts a livable wage out of their grasp by taxing middle income people even MORE to make up the difference for your already burdensome mistakes that are causing the inequities to begin with. Who has encouraged and created many of the growing tax burdens and forced commerce? I'm sure every dummie has a mirror--go look in it. that's all--I fear I'm getting in over their stupid heads at this point.
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Hate to break it to the DUchebag but it ain't no wash. Look at what your new deductibles, co-pays, and how thin your networks are. If you can find it, it's going to cost a lot more for all things health care thanks to Obama-democrat Care.
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The DUmmies on the thread are taking a page from Harry Reid's book and calling anyone who complains a liar. What a winning strategy that is.
I'm getting sick to death of that bitch VanillaRhapsody. Every bit as obnoxious as ProSense.
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The DUmmies on the thread are taking a page from Harry Reid's book and calling anyone who complains a liar. What a winning strategy that is.
I'm getting sick to death of that bitch VanillaRhapsody. Every bit as obnoxious as ProSense.
Me too.
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"So far, about 4 of every 5 people enrolling have qualified for tax credits to reduce the cost of their premiums."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101530699
That won't work in the long run.
This whole process has taken the Actuarial Tables that insurance companies have developed for years and tossed them out. Just wait until you see the primitives boil over when the Fed has to allocate money to big insurance to make up for this.
On another issue, all those here who are pointing out primitives like prosense, vanillarhapsody, cha, seabeyond. phdd, etc..., how you noticed that the most vile, and vicious primitives on Skin's island are their women?
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"So far, about 4 of every 5 people enrolling have qualified for tax credits to reduce the cost of their premiums."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101530699
That won't work in the long run.
This whole process has taken the Actuarial Tables that insurance companies have developed for years and tossed them out. Just wait until you see the primitives boil over when the Fed has to allocate money to big insurance to make up for this.
On another issue, all those here who are pointing out primitives like prosense, vanillarhapsody, cha, seabeyond. phdd, etc..., how you noticed that the most vile, and vicious primitives on Skin's island are their women?
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Hell hath no fury like a woman.............period.
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On another issue, all those here who are pointing out primitives like prosense, vanillarhapsody, cha, seabeyond. phdd, etc..., how you noticed that the most vile, and vicious primitives on Skin's island are their women?
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Or the gay dudes that are trying to be women...
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"So far, about 4 of every 5 people enrolling have qualified for tax credits to reduce the cost of their premiums."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101530699
That won't work in the long run.
This whole process has taken the Actuarial Tables that insurance companies have developed for years and tossed them out. Just wait until you see the primitives boil over when the Fed has to allocate money to big insurance to make up for this.
On another issue, all those here who are pointing out primitives like prosense, vanillarhapsody, cha, seabeyond. phdd, etc..., how you noticed that the most vile, and vicious primitives on Skin's island are their women?
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Yep, that's why I addressed them directly on their pet topic of empowering women and war on women specifically in regards to this legislation and other tax legislation. I think ultimately what they prove is that they accentuate the worst in women and the stereotypes ie bitchy, nagging, over-emotional, no economic sense, helpless, unable to weigh facts versus emotion, etc. Their stereotype was exactly what those against suffrage in the early part of the 20th century were concerned about were women like that making decisions when they were unable to dissect issues of emotion versus issues of fact. They are a disgrace to women and a disgrace to the suffragists who worked hard to assert that women could rise above their natures in matters of policy. Sadly, today that doesn't seem to be possible with the generations of women that have been raised over the last 50 years.
And dumbass women, that doesn't relieve men either. The above behavior and the inclination to push men into roles of irresponsibility has only nurtured the worst side of men as well. Nobody in this is innocent and how you think and what you perpetuate does NOTHING to improve civilized life in this country or empower women.
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DUmmies, you should all be rejoicing! Your Gods and Masters have pronounced O'care the greatest thing since buttered bread!
Look, look, beloved UNIONS LOVE IT!
http://www.seiu.org/the-healthcare-law/
Oh, wait.......
http://netrightdaily.com/2014/02/seiu-front-group-wisconsin-jobs-now-promotes-obamacare-law-breaking/
LOOK at the MONEY you can make with O'care!
http://www.examiner.com/article/acorn-seiu-planned-parenthood-activists-get-48-hour-as-obamacare-navigators
So quit your bitching and sign up! Union thugs are counting on you!
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This cannot be good news for the DU cheerleaders for Obozocare
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obamacare-healthcare-obama-senate/2014/03/31/id/562698/
<<<some paragraphs before and after this quote were snipped out by me. There is more at the link>>>
The Obama administration is claiming victory for the program, announcing last week that 6 million people had enrolled. But according to The Washington Post, the healthcare law will face serious political, financial, and legal challenges in the coming months that could ultimately determine its survival.
The threat of significant premium increases next year is at the top of the list of concerns. Some insurance industry experts predict double-digit increases in premiums in some states for next year, varying by the health plan and location, according to the Post.
Many plans "low-balled" prices for 2014 to attract customers, and while some plans may continue to keep rates low to build market share, others will probably raise prices to boost profits or compensate for the costs of participating in the new law.
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This cannot be good news for the DU cheerleaders for Obozocare
Many plans "low-balled" prices for 2014 to attract customers, and while some plans may continue to keep rates low to build market share, others will probably raise prices to boost profits or compensate for the costs of participating in the new law.
They'll figure someway around it. It was written into the law that for the first couple of years, the insurance companies will be guaranteed an income.
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"Low-balled"? $1350.00 a month* is low-ball?
*covered California website for MY estimated cost