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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 26, 2014, 09:50:21 AM
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BACKGROUND OP: Woman being pawed by Muslim savages at Cairo University
So leave it to the resident Anglo-phobes to show their Sphinx-ters
Jesus Malverde (3,912 posts)
34. The madness in Egypt is the result of years of the saudi's exporting their radical islamic
practices to Egypt through the use of guest workers who go to Saudi to work and then come back to Egypt radicalized.
Here are Egyptian women in the 1950's
(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110424_Port%2001.jpg)
(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110424_0_Montazah%20Beach.jpg)
(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/110424_Pages%20from%20beach_proof_2.jpg)
and after years of radicalization by the Saudi's and the muslim brotherhood
(http://carnegieendowment.org/images/article_images/azzam2.jpg)
philosslayer (242 posts)
39. More bashing of Islam?
Thanks for playing. Sure you're in the right place?
joeglow3 (4,613 posts)
126. What you see as bashing of Islam, I see as sticking up for women's rights
But, keep trying to shut people up.
MensesQueen loves her some good strong Muslim ****
seabeyond (93,197 posts)
128. oh my. lmao. my my my. wow. hm. joeglow, having your support, as a woman,
simply warms my heart.
keep 'em naked, right?
sure glad we have you on our side. where would we be otherwise
truly, lmao
Then PootALoo joins in and I'm pretty sure he also like Muslim ****
Scootaloo (10,747 posts)
97. Yes, let's DO look at the pictures of Cairo University over the years.
Now, you claim that women are disenfranchised - enslaved, even! - by the living hell that is a *GASP!* hijab. As opposed to skirts, stockings, and lifts, I guess.
Know what you AREN'T noticing, Malverde?
In each picture you posted there are successively more women in it. 1959 is an utter sausage festival. 2004 looks like Cairo University became an all-women college or something.
Tell me. Why is it that "Progressives" like you define women's progress solely by the amount of skin you get to see? Because that is the only argument you're making here. You set your standards by bathing suits, then complain that the women cover their hair in 2004. All while ignoring, by the very evidence you present, the growing prevalence of women in at least Egyptian academia and student bodies. Also women have been at the front and center of Egyptian protest - Against Mubarak, against Morsi, and now against Sisi. Again, bolstered by your own images.
Further, your complaint is based on another area of ignorance - The "Western Dress" you long for was government-imposed. During the Nasser era it was next to impossible to get a job if you wore anything else. You were treated as a provincial rube, harassed by police, mocked, and otherwise mistreated. This was part of the "Westernization" policy adopted by an unelected strongman government. The people of Egyot nowadays are actually more free in their fashion choices than they were then, even if those choices may often reflect more conservative or - GOD FORBID - less western taste.
Jesus Malverde (3,912 posts)
99. Strange takeaway.
Conservative Islam is not empowering for women.
Peace.
Scootaloo (10,747 posts)
100. You really don't know what you're talking about
This is a veil:
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This is a veil:
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These are veils:
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This isa veil (albeit the berber take on the concept)
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Do you see the difference?
No, just as you are of the opinion that more and more Egyptian women are educated is utterly irrelevant compared to the fact that they choose to cover their hair.
And yeah. Choose. Egypt has no laws or impositions regarding head garments.
Jesus Malverde (3,912 posts)
104. I think the point that totally went over your head
is that women in the 1950-1995 could dress in a western way and not cause a riot.
You seem to imply that freedom was some kind of cultural imperialism that was imposed by the evil socialist. (I don't get it.)
Regarding the Hijab.
Hijab" or "ḥijÄb" (/hɪˈdÊ’É‘Ëb/, /hɪˈdʒæb/, /ˈhɪ.dʒæb/ or /hɛˈdÊ’É‘Ëb/; Arabic: Øجاب‎, pronounced ) is a veil that covers the head and chest, which is particularly worn by a Muslim female beyond the age of puberty in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family. It can further refer to any head, face, or body covering worn by Muslim women that conforms to a certain standard of modesty. It not only refers to the physical body covering, but also embodies a metaphysical dimension, where al-hijab refers to "the veil which separates man or the world from God". Hijab can also be used to refer to the seclusion of women from men in the public sphere. Most often, it is worn by Muslim women as a symbol of modesty, privacy and morality. According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and Muslim World, modesty in the Qur'an concerns both men's and women's "gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia." The Quran admonishes Muslim women to dress modestly and cover their breasts and genitals. The Quran has no requirement that women cover their faces with a veil, or cover their bodies with the full-body burqua or chador. Some claim that the Qur'an does not mandate Hijab.
Scootaloo (10,747 posts)
109. And they still can, and do so every day
This incident is an exception, as in, not the norm, which is why it is - according to the article itself - sparking outrage in egypt. Given that she was dressed in a fashion that you consider "enslavement" only serves to further udnermine your point.
And yes, western style dress was imposed by Nasser, as I explained to you. As in, lack of real freedom to choose otherwise. It's not a question of "evil," despite your ignorant hyperbole, but simply that he instituted a policy that targeted traditional Egyptian fashion for replacement with western standard dress. Call me crazy but I find government regulation of fashion to be an illiberal idea.
And you persist in ignoring the evidence you yourself presented, regarding the increasing female involvement in education and university in Egypt. I guess that's because it doesn't go well with your script, wherein fashion should be more important to women than their education. Specifically fashion that gives you lots of skin to look at, apparently
Congratulations on discovering a semantic argument. I really suggest though that if you want to discuss the subject, you look up the proper terms and their common use. "Veil," spoken as such, refers to the niqab and its variations. Hijab is a scarf worn over the hair and around hte neck that does not cover the face.
Funny thing is how many Western women were wearing headscarves in the period of hte 50's and 60's
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xIon20urLWI/T6zh9eV3u9I/AAAAAAAAB5E/Atf2vDkPgL8/s320/headscarf-jackie-kennedy.jpg)
Jackie Kennedy. What a tragedy, no doubt browbeaten into such slavery by her irish-Catholic keeper!
(http://www.rosmarinonews.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/audreyhepburn-foul-testa.jpg)
Audrey Hepburn, a sad drone in a hive of systematic hair-oppression
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/02/09/2004174310.jpg)
...Okay, your guess is as good as mine on this one.
Jesus Malverde (3,912 posts)
111. Now we've moved into some kind of performance art.
Lets ignore on how a Christian copt or Atheist women could go to school in Cairo without pretending to be a Muslim and not hiding her sexy seductive, mob inducing hair. Pretty empowering eh.
You know there is a dress code police at the university, enforcing Islamic dress...right?
I guess it was her fault for wearing tight pants.
Jesus Malverde (3,912 posts)
117. Who the **** is Pam? From the article...
‘This girl entered the university wearing an abaya (loose cloak) and then took it off in the faculty, and appeared with those clothes, that caused, in reality… the incident,’ Nassar said on private Egyptian channel ONTV. He said university guards turn away students who show up at campus dressed inappropriately.
Apparently this liberal woman pulled a fast one on the campus police and showed up a little too sexy for the extreme conservatives.
Who the **** is Pam?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024724501
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That lit a pretty good camp fire over there.
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Again the primitives confuse me and themselves.
So do they want women who are made to do as they are told and cover up every inch of their skin or do they want them to be half naked, free, and able to make their own decisions?
I am so ****ing confused.
And again I will point out their ideology is so ****ed up and twisted that in trying to defend Islam's treatment of women they step all over themselves. Talk about a pretzel.
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Again the primitives confuse me and themselves.
So do they want women who are made to do as they are told and cover up every inch of their skin or do they want them to be half naked, free, and able to make their own decisions?
I am so ****ing confused.
And again I will point out their ideology is so ****ed up and twisted that in trying to defend Islam's treatment of women they step all over themselves. Talk about a pretzel.
"The Steady Erosion of Women's Rights in Egypt"
In Now They Call Me Infidel, Nonie Darwish tells of growing up in a relatively secular and Westernizing Egypt in the 1950s, only to see the country take a sharp Islamist turn as the decades wore on. The experience led her to flee her native country, and eventually the faith of her birth, for the United States and Christianity.
http://theredhunter.com/2010/02/the_steady_erosion_of_womens_rights_in_egypt.php
I'll wager that the DUmmies hate Nonie Darwish for telling the truth.
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Thou shall not disrespect the religion of peace. Christianity is the only religion to be bashed. The minute that Christians start killing nonbelievers the cowardly DUches and the left in general will shut the **** up.
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Are Dummies really arguing that Islamic countries promote educational opportunities for women? Tell the girl who got shot in the face or the others who are bathed in acid.
Also, hopefully none of those women going to class happen to get raped. Or else they need four male witnesses to attest to it.
Hooray Dummies
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Pootaloo, you DUmbass, the scarves worn by the likes of Jackie and Audrey were to protect the elaborate hairstyles of the day.
This thread is maddening beyond words; I cannot row over. What the hell is wrong with these stupid broads?
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What the hell is wrong with these stupid broads?
Yes.
Next question.
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Take a look at Iran before the ayatollahs took over.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+before+the+revolution&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yxwzU7GWG6XiyAGYq4DgDA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1360&bih=643
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Take a look at Iran before the ayatollahs took over.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+before+the+revolution&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yxwzU7GWG6XiyAGYq4DgDA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1360&bih=643
Islam poisons everything it touches.
It isn't a matter of IF but HOW FAST and HOW MUCH.
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DUmmies, tell it to Neda Agha-Soltan.
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seabeyond
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The sea beast must have said something naughty. :rotf:
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The sea beast must have said something naughty. :rotf:
Dont know about this, looking at family photoes from the past it seems we in America followed the fashions of the East, the long skirts and big hats, until the 1920's when the skirts got way short and woman cut their hair, began to drink and smoke tobacco.
Woman begin to go on the town, drink and dance the hoochi-coo and live it up. Men could not control them when woman got the vote, no more wearing a 15 pound dress in 90 degree weather.
Why do the Islems want woman to cover their hair and wear clothing that is too hot in the noon day sun.
What is so bad about a womans hair or face she has to hide it and cover it ?
Are these men so afraid of other men and their inpulses that they have a need to keep their woman away from other men that are just like themselves ?
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Dont know about this, looking at family photoes from the past it seems we in America followed the fashions of the East, the long skirts and big hats, until the 1920's when the skirts got way short and woman cut their hair, began to drink and smoke tobacco.
Woman begin to go on the town, drink and dance the hoochi-coo and live it up. Men could not control them when woman got the vote, no more wearing a 15 pound dress in 90 degree weather.
Why do the Islems want woman to cover their hair and wear clothing that is too hot in the noon day sun.
What is so bad about a womans hair or face she has to hide it and cover it ?
Are these men so afraid of other men and their inpulses that they have a need to keep their woman away from other men that are just like themselves ?
Their religion was started by a pedophile. What do you expect?
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seabeyond is a ****ing nutcase.
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Are these men so afraid of other men and their inpulses that they have a need to keep their woman away from other men that are just like themselves ?
Yes....rape is a huge problem with Muslim men and women are considered property, they have a lower value than a goat.
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Iranian women pre-Jimmuh Carter:
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/Unknown_zpseb69a9e0.jpeg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/Unknown_zpseb69a9e0.jpeg.html)
Iranian women post-Jimmuh Carter:
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/iranian-women_zps9b542551.jpg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/iranian-women_zps9b542551.jpg.html)
Heck of a job, Jimmuh.
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Yes....rape is a huge problem with Muslim men and women are considered property, they have a lower value than a goat.
So what you are saying is that Muslim men are so goat like they will with no thought screw anything from a dog, cat to a fence post with a knot in it.
This is why the woman have to protect themselves from the men that pray on them ?
I saw a thing on line about woman so afraid of men they covered the faces of their girl baby's out in public in their strollers.
What the Hell kind of society is this when woman fear the rape of their girl baby's from good Muslim male adults ?
This is a world of worse then wolves, a strange world that has the male of the species praying on the female of any age and the females having to cover their bodies and those of their baby girls for protection.
We are seeing the dark ages way back when when slavery and concubines existed, the times of the pre civilization existed.
Yet it is here, these anthropological apes, the people who lived by the times way back when.
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ell me. Why is it that "Progressives" like you define women's progress solely by the amount of skin you get to see?
Hmm..yet crickets for when a woman dared to let her hair down in a dark jean and pink long sleeved shirt(an outfit of HER choosing) and get mauled and harass by MEN? What that transition shows is where liberals will have us at in 50 years kissing extremist Muslim ass. What gets me is they are such ridiculous morons--you see very conservative Christian women who wear long skirts and modest tops and have long hair and gasp may even homeschool and have a gaggle full of kids and somehow they are oppressed but force by law for a woman to wear a head covering, get harassed for merely showing her hair and shape, and be blamed rape(even as girls) and that is not oppression. I swear liberals do NOT think they just suck ass on whoever is in their latest liberal script of special class of people of the day no matter how barbaric they are. Hey assholes, go to the Muslim world and take all your lazy ass, slovenly, lascivious ways and let those folks you protect there look out for your stupid asses. We women here in the states would like the freedom here to at least show our God damn hair when we want. ****!(pardon my francais but these buffoons are just ridiculous).
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Again the primitives confuse me and themselves.
So do they want women who are made to do as they are told and cover up every inch of their skin or do they want them to be half naked, free, and able to make their own decisions?
I am so ****ing confused.
And again I will point out their ideology is so ****ed up and twisted that in trying to defend Islam's treatment of women they step all over themselves. Talk about a pretzel.
Exactly! Buffoons with no thought for consistent thinking at all.
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1959 was an utter sausage festival?
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seabeyond is a ****ing nutcase.
Did you see that really long thread when she and some other banshees were out in Colorado?
She made lots and lots of comments.....not a single one of which was coherent.
I swear, the broad's worse than the cousin.