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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on March 23, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
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Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
Just a little bugaboo that bothers me about evolution and science discussions
and it has all to do with ignorance.
When people who scream evolution is not real because "humans did not evolve from apes and chimps" they do not realize just how correct they are. No, humans did not evolve from our close cousins in the evolutionary tree of life. We both shared a last common ancestor anywhere from six to eight million years ago, and then a process called speciation started. We went one way, with many hominids evolving before finally we did... and going extinct.
So no, we did not evolve from modern day primates. It is just a bugaboo that emerges every so often in discussions about evolution, and shows just how ignorant that argument is.
Another one that bothers me, the earth is flat is a common day saying, and it is a term of derision for people who ignore science, BUT, we have known the earth is round for literally thousands of years. Archimedes even came very damn close to the actual circumference of the planet. He was off by about 1000 miles, without modern tools, that is pretty damn good.
Here is a drawing of the solar system with the earth at the center, the rest of the planets are indicated by the signs.
Notice the round ball? That is Earth.
This is a model of the spheres, again, see the nice balls? So no, the ancients knew we were on a round ball. They made the error to think the world, the earth, was at the center of the universe, but that changed when we got instrumentation and imagination to break though a dogma that lasted 1500 years or so. It is called the Ptolomeic model of the universe, and it won. Early greeks had very live discussions on these things, and one of them even came with this crazy idea that the world was made of really small balls, that had incredible spaces between them, and could not be broken up. (That be the Atom).
Try to conceive of your table as almost empty space. He was right. It is what it is. But, try to imagine that without the tools we have these days to prove these hypothesis.
Oh and Mars never goes retrograde either, that is an illusion, an optical illusion. I thought I would drop that in there, just because
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024714215
Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #1)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:01 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
An american writer also made up the Cherry Tree story and cannot tell a lie. I wish though that we got rid of a lot of that crap
Response to eallen (Reply #8)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:23 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
9. I know
and both were predictive, in fact. The ptolomeic model allowed for real science, but like other scientific revolutions it was superseded. It might have happened earlier if we did not have a collapse of Classical civilization.
And I agree with you, if the parallax was developed that early, the heliocentric model would have won. It was partly what instrumentation you have.
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So no, we did not evolve from modern day primates
Oh yes, yes YOU did, Dummy.
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*pops two Tylenol*
OK. I'm gonna read this word muck now.
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Another one that bothers me, the earth is flat is a common day saying, and it is a term of derision for people who ignore science, BUT, we have known the earth is round for literally thousands of years. Archimedes even came very damn close to the actual circumference of the planet. He was off by about 1000 miles, without modern tools, that is pretty damn good.
By whom, you flipping retard?
Oh and Mars never goes retrograde either, that is an illusion, an optical illusion. I thought I would drop that in there, just because
Screw that, where's the left over Vicodin?
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Teh gNads knows as much about astronomy, as she does photography.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 08:02 PM
Star Member SidDithers (31,696 posts)
24. Yes. We've watched Cosmos too...nt
Sid
:lmao:
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I see she edited it, but not before pintobean saw it:
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:59 PM
pintobean (11,714 posts)
2. "humans did not evolve from apes and chips"
But, we are the creators of fish and chips!
:rotf:
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Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
Just a little bugaboo that bothers me about evolution and science discussions
and it has all to do with ignorance.
When people who scream evolution is not real because "humans did not evolve from apes and chimps" they do not realize just how correct they are. No, humans did not evolve from our close cousins in the evolutionary tree of life. We both shared a last common ancestor anywhere from six to eight million years ago, and then a process called speciation started. We went one way, with many hominids evolving before finally we did... and going extinct.
So no, we did not evolve from modern day primates. It is just a bugaboo that emerges every so often in discussions about evolution, and shows just how ignorant that argument is.
Another one that bothers me, the earth is flat is a common day saying, and it is a term of derision for people who ignore science, BUT, we have known the earth is round for literally thousands of years. Archimedes even came very damn close to the actual circumference of the planet. He was off by about 1000 miles, without modern tools, that is pretty damn good.
Here is a drawing of the solar system with the earth at the center, the rest of the planets are indicated by the signs.
The modern accepted circumference of the Earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles
Archimedes ( 287 - 212 BC ) estimated it as ≈ 30,000 miles
http://www.relativitycalculator.com/earth_circumference.shtml (http://www.relativitycalculator.com/earth_circumference.shtml)
30,000-24,901.55=5098.45
5098.45>1000
He (Eratosthenes) is best known for being the first person to calculate the circumference of the earth, which he did by applying a measuring system using stades, or the length of stadiums during that time period. His calculation was remarkably accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes)
Way to keep a perfect record nadin.
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Oh yes, yes YOU did, Dummy.
I'd have to go with 'Devolve' on that one.
Early greeks had very live discussions on these things, and one of them even came with this crazy idea that the world was made of really small balls, that had incredible spaces between them, and could not be broken up. (That be the Atom).
Yes, he theorized that all the Earth below his feet was made of those indivisible particles, hence the origin of the term 'Democritus Underground.'
:popcorn:
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Sorry Gnads but no matter how many times you drag our fat ass to a Star Trek Convention or watch Cosmos or National Geographic you will never be as you think you are.
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The OP reminds me of God instructing Job how He laid the foundations of the Earth.
Then, nads reveals her true name in the same way that God revealed his name to Moses in Exodous 3:14 as "I Am that I Am":
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:23 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
9. I know
I Know that I Know has spoken!
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One can count on gNads when she is pontificating to use wrong words or misspell them. In this case, it is "ptolomeic." While it is true I also wasn't sure how to spell it, a simple nadin of the internet gave it up as 'ptolemaic'.
nadinbrzezinski (131,709 posts)
9. I know and both were predictive, in fact. The ptolomeic model allowed for real science, but like other scientific revolutions it was superseded. It might have happened earlier if we did not have a collapse of Classical civilization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model
"....In astronomy, the geocentric model (also known as geocentrism, or the Ptolemaic system),..."
One would think that after 130,000 posts, many of which have errors that were pointed out to her, she would start checking things prior to pressing the 'submit' or 'send' button.
edited to add: gNads has at least one response, using the wrong spelling, to a reply where the correct spelling is used. My gast is flabbered to see that she cannot or will not see that the two spellings are not the same. In nadinspeak, 'yup, that be wierd'.
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Response to pretzel4gore (Reply #10)Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:50 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,723 posts)
11. Theology requires belief
science requires far more than that.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #11)Sun Mar 23, 2014, 08:58 PM
Star Member longship (22,812 posts)
26. Yup! Science requires the ability to not believe.
The most important aspect of methodological materialism is that theories are always tentative.
So many people cannot wrap that concept around their little minds.
Response to longship (Reply #26)Sun Mar 23, 2014, 09:03 PM
nadinbrzezinski (131,723 posts)
27. And to wrap your mind in very complex concepts
which at times I doubt most people are capable off. This is a problem in a civilization that relies on it, but it might as well be magic.
Not a moments hesitation, she just blunders on. Nads is a force of nature, just like the Ptolomeic model of the universe.
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Why didn't nads point out that recently an imam declared that the earth is in fact the center of our universe.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178615#.Uy-4KygdU8M (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178615#.Uy-4KygdU8M)
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Notwithstanding the ignorance of DUmmies in real science and social evolution, Archimedes didn't figure out the size of the earth. That particular accomplishment goes to Eratosthenes. At this time, it was generally known among the Greeks that the earth was a sphere because of observations both locally (ships disappearing in the horizon consistently, no matter what direction it was observed from), and extraneously (movement of stars, moon, sun). However, there was no known way that they could figure out its size.
Eratosthenes, though, noticed that on the same day, a two identical-length sticks located 800 miles apart, on a direct north-south axis (determined by the North star, whose position doesn't alter from anwhere on the same latitude), cast different=length shadows. He reasoned that if the earth was a sphere, the size of the sphere could be determined by calculating the different lengths of the shadows cast at high noon in both locations on the same day. He calculated the earth to be 25,000 miles in circumference, which was remarkably close to it's actual circumference of 24,901 miles. (In fact, the southern city he measured cast no shadow, which made the calculation much easier.) This was the first time the earth was correctly calculated with hard scientific evidence.
Unfortunately, most people could not believe that the earth was that big, and they were using another figure that was bandied about was put at about 18,000 miles. When Ptolemy wrote his book, he calculated the circumference of the earth to be 18,000 miles, and this was the length used as gospel until about around the 1500's. Indeed, Christopher Columbus used this figure in getting financing for his trip west.
But the actual calculation was done in Greece during BC times.
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Teh gNads knows as much about astronomy, as she does photography.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 08:02 PM
Star Member SidDithers (31,696 posts)
24. Yes. We've watched Cosmos too...nt
Sid
:lmao:
Oh. Freaking. Snap!
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One can count on gNads when she is pontificating to use wrong words or misspell them. In this case, it is "ptolomeic." While it is true I also wasn't sure how to spell it, a simple nadin of the internet gave it up as 'ptolomaic'. One would think that after 130,000 posts, many of which have errors that were pointed out to her, she would start checking things prior to pressing the 'submit' or 'send' button.
edited to add: gNads has at least one response, using the wrong spelling, to a reply where the correct spelling is used. My gast is flabbered to see that she cannot or will not see that the two spellings are not the same. In nadinspeak, 'yup, that be wierd'.
Who does she think she's kidding, she couldn't pick 'Ptolemaic' out of a line-up with 'Polemic,' 'Pthalomine,' and 'Pulaski.'
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That nadin sure knows her bugaboos!
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Who does she think she's kidding, she couldn't pick 'Ptolemaic' out of a line-up with 'Polemic,' 'Pthalomine,' and 'Pulaski.'
Ooh, Ooh, Ooh ... Pulaski was a general who helped Savannah. Gold star for me. !!! :-)
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Ooh, Ooh, Ooh ... Pulaski was a general who helped Savannah. Gold star for me. !!! :-)
Nah, that was some other guy.
Pthalomine, on the other hand, could swing through the air with the greatest of ease.
Polemic is something you take when your tummy is upset.
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Ooh, Ooh, Ooh ... Pulaski was a general who helped Savannah. Gold star for me. !!! :-)
Was he named after a small town in Illinois called Mt. Pulaski? :-)
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In Chicago, schools, government offices, libraries, etc., are all closed on Pulaski Day.
It's a big Polish holiday, bigger than Paczki Day.
One bad thing about red state hell is no place to buy paczkis on Paczki Day.
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I just noticed something.
On March 21 in my Post Like a Know-it-all Day (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,95438.0.html) thread I told all about astrophysics.
Then, just a couple of days later, on March 23, nadin tells about astronomy and such stuff.
Is she trying to make fun of me? Or is it all just a coincident?
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I just noticed something.
On March 21 in my Post Like a Know-it-all Day (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,95438.0.html) thread I told all about astrophysics.
Then, just a couple of days later, on March 23, nadin tells about astronomy and such stuff.
Is she trying to make fun of me? Or is it all just a coincident?
Check her resume, she just may be an astrophysicist [see nads I couldn't spell that without help, you need help]
(note to nadin: spell check is provided by my browser, but I am sure a professional journo would know this.)
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Oh yes, yes YOU did, Dummy.
Actually I'd disagree with that Dori. The DUmbasses actually devolved from modern day primates, not evolved.
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Was he named after a small town in Illinois called Mt. Pulaski? :-)
No, he was named after a small town Southwest Virginia.
County, too.
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I just noticed something.
On March 21 in my Post Like a Know-it-all Day (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,95438.0.html) thread I told all about astrophysics.
Then, just a couple of days later, on March 23, nadin tells about astronomy and such stuff.
Is she trying to make fun of me? Or is it all just a coincident?
I'll take "coincidence for $200", FD.
Nads is just too damned smart to make fun of an actual, genuine, fictional spirit guide.
She wouldn't want the Fictional Spirit Guide Guild going all "medieval" on her backside.
1. The Guild has better things to spend its time on, and
2. It would take FOREVER!!!!