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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 23, 2014, 08:45:21 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018592989
Oh my.
fizzgig (19,805 posts) Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:20 PM
day eight and the husband bought cigs
i'm trying to be understanding, but i am a bit irritated since it was his idea in the first place.
this is the third time he's tried to quit, but his first time trying the vaping route. he did patches and counselling the last few times and made it much longer, only to relapse (and yell at me since i wasn't quitting with him). i'm going to see if the insurance company offers any kind of support and if they don't, i'm sending him back to the county health department to pick back up with the counseling.
i knew he'd dug out some of the halfies left in my car, and then smoked the leftover pack i had in there, but i figured that would stop once those ran out. to be honest, we haven't been talking about our experiences with our no-cig endeavor, but we haven't been talking much anyway for a few weeks now (that's another story).
i'm not going to blame myself for this, though, and i'm not going to go back to the cigs, but i will help him as much as i can.
The fizzy one, for whom franksolich does have some degree of good wishes, has got to learn.
One can't change other people; one can change only oneself.
HeiressofBickworth (1,524 posts) Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:44 PM
1. Don't get too upset with him
Cig manufacturers found a way to virtually guarantee customers: they over-loaded cigs with nicotine which is highly addictive. It was done on purpose. Tobacco alone doesn't contain the levels of nicotine in manufactured cigs. I hope he can overcome the addiction.
Best wishes.
fizzgig (19,805 posts) Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:53 PM
2. that's why i didn't lay into him
i know how hard it is and that it's not fair to expect his experience to be the same as mine. i registered my displeasure, asked him what was different this time around and told him i'd help him explore other avenues.
but it does make me a lot more worried about money, we need every penny we're saving by moving to vaping.
HipChick (11,522 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:10 AM
3. I've dug out halfies and butts before...
but then quit cold turkey
Jenoch (4,929 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:23 AM
4. I quit cold turkey
on 12/05/05 after several attempts. I even quit for several times in 1985 and 1992, at least one year at a time. I have not smoked since December 2005.
Boom Sound 416 (2,291 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:33 AM
5. I'm on day 4
Doing good this time.
I've quit before too. This is my third real time. First time was 18 months. Second time was 3 months. Feeling good about this run.
I'd like to offer a couples ideas. I'm sure there not all new
1. Pick a date - and live carpe diem until then if you want.
2. Tell everyone. - shame and pride are powerful.
3. Clean out your home, car, clothes.
4. I like the gum myself. You can hang onto it for a long time without chewing it.
5. The toothpicks are great too (first time with these)
6. First three weeks is toughest. - just keep your eye on that prize first.
And most important of all to remember.
Life does not give you a break. Ever.*
Good luck. It's always been easier for my wife too.
*begs to disagree, strenuously, but whatever.....
Tuesday Afternoon (51,012 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 01:50 AM
6. What about cutting straws to the size of a cigarette?
or Just suck on a straw and pretend like he is smoking.
Grey (1,222 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:16 AM
7. Have you tried Zyban...?
It worked for my daughter and me. 15 years smoke free.....
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Grey (1,222 posts) Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:16 AM
7. Have you tried Zyban...?
It worked for my daughter and me. 15 years smoke free.....
Considering it wasn't called "Zyban" until 2000 or 2001... :whistling:
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HeiressofBickworth (1,524 posts) Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:44 PM
1. Don't get too upset with him
Cig manufacturers found a way to virtually guarantee customers: they over-loaded cigs with nicotine which is highly addictive. It was done on purpose. Tobacco alone doesn't contain the levels of nicotine in manufactured cigs. I hope he can overcome the addiction
Or maybe fizzy being so irritating was too much to cope with while also battling withdrawals.
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Or maybe fizzy being so irritating was too much to cope with while also battling withdrawals.
I know DUmmies are damned irritating on the internet, hard to imagine actually having to LIVE with one of these creatures.
Mr. fizzy deserves a medal for his servitude.
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Or maybe fizzy being so irritating was too much to cope with while also battling withdrawals.
The fizzy one, for whom franksolich possesses some degree of good wishes, strikes me as the sort of person who's obsessively preoccupied with trying to change other people, instead of herself.
I'm sure you know the type.
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....but we haven't been talking much anyway for a few weeks now
The fizzgig primitive only needs to let her hair grow, and wash her feet.
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The fizzgig primitive only needs to let her hair grow, and wash her feet.
You just brought three words to mind:
Hobbit boot camp.
Yes, the fizzy primitive is Pvt. Bilbo Pyle.
(http://www.myservicepride.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fmj1.jpg)
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Shire?"
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(http://www.rimmkaufman.com/content/sniffing-glue.png)
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page 158, comment 2360
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,81827.2355.html
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page 158, comment 2360
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,81827.2355.html
Nice shoes...
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Help me with the DUmmy logic here...
Hubby smokes tobacco and that is bad.
Fizzy smokes vast amounts of weed and that is good.
She admitted she smokes great quantities if illegal weed just a few posts ago. How can she come down on hubby for a pack of cigs? It doesn't make sense.
~~ you can still get lung cancer from MJ. MJ has no filters, and no surgeon general's warning.
so how is one good and the other bad? or is Fizzy just a F****** B*tch?
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She admitted she smokes great quantities if illegal weed just a few posts ago. How can she come down on hubby for a pack of cigs? It doesn't make sense.
Fizzy lives in Colorado, so the marijuana is legal and taxed.
She's just doing her part (times five) to fund Colorado schools.
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Fizzy lives in Colorado, so the marijuana is legal and taxed.
There's no such thing as legal marijuana.
Possession or sale is a federal crime, whether the jug-eared muslim's administration enforces the law or not.
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There's no such thing as legal marijuana.
Bet me.
Marijuana itself is neither legal nor illegal. Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute is generally illegal under Chapter 21 of the US Code. Simple possession without intent to distribute is not. Also, see 21 USC 841, paragraph (b)(4), and 21 USC 844, paragraph (a) for specific exceptions to the statute on possession of marijuana by private citizens.
The University of Mississippi operates a marijuana farm under contract to the US Government, and has for more than 40 years. Marijuana is legally grown by pharmaceutical companies to extract THC for medications.
Also, any marijuana growing wild on land owned by any government entity is not subject to Federal statute. Those millions upon millions of marijuana plants growing wild on military posts, and in our national and state parks, are perfectly legal. In the same way, if marijuana plants are growing wild in my back pasture, I am not breaking the law if I do nothing to them.
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Marijuana itself is neither legal nor illegal.
That may be the dumbest thing I've ever read outside the DUmp.
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That may be the dumbest thing I've ever read outside the DUmp.
I'm not surprised you would feel that way, but how you feel is immaterial. Facts are facts.
Strike #1: Possession of marijuana without the intent to distribute is not a violation of federal law. In the state of Colorado, there are neither federal nor state laws prohibiting the simple possession of marijuana.
Strike #2: In the United States, at least in the United States before King Hussein took the throne, actions are illegal, not things. There is no law that states "Object X is illegal". The act of possessing Object X may be illegal, but not X itself.
Strike #3: In the United States, at least in the United States before King Hussein took the throne, all that is not specifically outlawed is lawful (or "legal", as I said earlier).
I previously showed you several examples of lawfully grown, processed, and/or possessed marijuana; pointed out that having wild marijuana on farmland is not a crime, if it is neither cultivated nor cut; and showed you that the law does not agree with your feelings.
Your statement "there is no such thing as legal marijuana" is false.
This is the point where I usually say, "just stay down." So, just stay down.
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I'm not surprised you would feel that way, but how you feel is immaterial. Facts are facts.
Strike #1: Possession of marijuana without the intent to distribute is not a violation of federal law. In the state of Colorado, there are neither federal nor state laws prohibiting the simple possession of marijuana.
Strike #2: In the United States, at least in the United States before King Hussein took the throne, actions are illegal, not things. There is no law that states "Object X is illegal". The act of possessing Object X may be illegal, but not X itself.
Strike #3: In the United States, at least in the United States before King Hussein took the throne, all that is not specifically outlawed is lawful (or "legal", as I said earlier).
I previously showed you several examples of lawfully grown, processed, and/or possessed marijuana; pointed out that having wild marijuana on farmland is not a crime, if it is neither cultivated nor cut; and showed you that the law does not agree with your feelings.
Your statement "there is no such thing as legal marijuana" is false.
This is the point where I usually say, "just stay down." So, just stay down.
Thanks.
It's amazing what you can learn from experts on the internet.
Why, just the other day I learned you can't be legally required to pay the federal income tax.
Wouldn't you know? It was right after I had mailed my check!
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It's worse than we thought. Now she thinks he's depressed and wants to off himself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11515097
fizzgig (19,809 posts)
opened my mouth when i shouldn't have (and maybe i'm off base in my perceptions)
i'm pretty good at keeping my mouth shut, but sometimes it's just too much to ask of myself.
over the last few months or so, he's slipped back into the darkness. no interest in food, won't leave the house unless it's absolutely necessary, combativeness, sleep disruption, withdrawing from friends and family, sadness, anger, wishing for death.
i know what it looks like to me, i know what it looks like to other people who know him, but i'm not ever allowed to even suggest it. i get yelled at for even bringing it up.
right as we met, he blacked out while riding his bike and went face-first into the back of a parked car (yeah, he was drunk). smashed the shit out of himself and never went to the hospital. now he thinks (and not necessarily wrongly so) that his behavior and mood stem from a brain injury rather than a mental illness. but he won't even acknowledge that that dirty 'd' word might be a symptom of that injury, even implying that it might even exist in him results in more anger.
and i've been supportive of him. i've told him that i agree it's a possibility. i found the doc and made the appointment. i have never once poo-pooed the idea.
he says he gets angry at the mention of the 'd' word because it's because he has a brain injury, he has something physiologically wrong with him (you can guess what i say in response to that and how he reacts). but that anger existence before the tbi came into play and i pointed that out to him tonight. i asked him why he'd rather have a brain injury than be depressed. i asked him what was so awful about being depressed that it was worth meeting it with anger.
and, of course, i was met with more anger. and, of course, it was my own damn fault. but i'm at such a loss right now, it makes no sense to me. but it's not up to me to understand, it's up to me to deal with it, to do what i can for him and us (gotta start shopping for someone for us to see).
and i'm trying, i'm trying my damnedest. i know that it's not been a picnic for him lately, but i've cried more in the last two weeks than i have in the last six months. i have put up with a lot of bullshit and there's that part of me that feels i'm owed an explanation.
and i feel like i'm running out of people to talk to, my friends and family have all heard this story from me many times. that's why i'm here to word vomit. i know, it's totally a tldr, but i had to get it out. that's why i love you guys.
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Thanks.
It's amazing what you can learn from experts on the internet.
I never claimed expertise. I just presented the facts. If you can prove the facts wrong, go ahead.
Why, just the other day I learned you can't be legally required to pay the federal income tax.
Wouldn't you know? It was right after I had mailed my check!
The prisons are full of people who broke the law. But in Colorado, simple possession of marijuana is not against the law.
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Before she went totally crazy (and shaved her head):
Mon Apr-23-07 12:32 PM
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21. that is a great picture
here's me with my new haircut
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/fizz_zps12b803b1.jpg)
how goes the wedding planning?
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Is this a new picture thread?
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Well shoot, I suppose it isn't.
I really like DUmmie picture threads.
I have a 1 terabit drive devoted to DUmmie pics and info.
Do you hear me alarmier?
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Strike #2: In the United States, at least in the United States before King Hussein took the throne, actions are illegal, not things. There is no law that states "Object X is illegal". The act of possessing Object X may be illegal, but not X itself.
Not exactly true, there are plenty of cases in the books captioned in the nature of "United States vs. Twelve Unnamed Gambling Machines," back when the government actually tried to enforce the borders. "Contraband" does not go unseized just because there's nobody to whom it can be traced.
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Not exactly true, there are plenty of cases in the books captioned in the nature of "United States vs. Twelve Unnamed Gambling Machines," back when the government actually tried to enforce the borders. "Contraband" does not go unseized just because there's nobody to whom it can be traced.
I was not aware of cases as you described, and I bow to your knowledge and experience, sir. My experience was with statutes, enforcement, and asset forfeiture under RICO or for violation of drug statutes. But having seized a fair bit of "contraband" in my day, I get where you're coming from.
At the risk of splitting hairs, wouldn't the case US vs. Twelve Unnamed Gambling Machines be for a violation of a statute prohibiting the "manufacture, importation, sale, or possession of gambling machines", and not for a statute worded "gambling machines are illegal"?
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I was not aware of cases as you described, and I bow to your knowledge and experience, sir. My experience was with statutes, enforcement, and asset forfeiture under RICO or for violation of drug statutes. But having seized a fair bit of "contraband" in my day, I get where you're coming from.
At the risk of splitting hairs, wouldn't the case US vs. Twelve Unnamed Gambling Machines be for a violation of a statute prohibiting the "manufacture, importation, sale, or possession of gambling machines", and not for a statute worded "gambling machines are illegal"?
I'm not sure at this point, it's over 30 years since I read it, but back in the day before there were any US casinos anywhere but Las Vegas, the Feds did indeed treat the machines themselves as something that was just totally outlawed on US territory (Generally as customs enforcement cases).
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I'm not sure at this point, it's over 30 years since I read it, but back in the day before there were any US casinos anywhere but Las Vegas, the Feds did indeed treat the machines themselves as something that was just totally outlawed on US territory (Generally as customs enforcement cases).
I picture Al Capone and Joseph Kennedy sitting at a table with a white tablecloth, drinking bootlegged cognac and smoking Cuban cigars.
Old school.