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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 07, 2014, 07:45:50 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024621052
Oh my.
And they probably all have one.
<<<has no record; too bad for the primitives, as there's nothing to look up.
Gravitycollapse (5,388 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:01 PM
How bad is having an arrest record/misdemeanor conviction if I'm applying for a state job?
The charge and plea deal were for criminal speeding which is a misdemeanor. The city prosecutor did not offer any diversion program or traffic school and said I would lose if I fought it in court. This was less than 12 months ago.
elleng (45,774 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:05 PM
1. Not familiar with 'criminal speeding.'
and I suspect the effect would depend on job and potential employers. They probably have some discretion.
msanthrope (22,475 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:05 PM
:oink: :oink: (http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg) (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Eferrari/media/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg.html)
2. I am an attorney, but not your attorney. So I will only offer a general suggestion--
Do not lie.
Look at the form, carefully. What does it ask?
Does it ask if you were arrested?
Convicted of a felony?
Charged?
Gravitycollapse (5,388 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:08 PM
4. I haven't applied yet. I'm worried about background checks.
msanthrope (22,475 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:09 PM
:oink: :oink: (http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg) (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Eferrari/media/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg.html)
5. This is why I suggest you do not lie. Were you arrested, given a ticket?
A little more detail?
Gravitycollapse (5,388 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:12 PM
8. I did not go through the normal motions of an arrest but I was arrested legally.
In other words, the police told me in the parking lot I was under arrest, read me my miranda rights, took a finger print, wrote me the ticket and let me go.
Hmmm.
<<<wonders what "arrested legally" means.
Is there such a thing as "arrested illegally"?
msanthrope (22,475 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:15 PM
:oink: :oink: (http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg) (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Eferrari/media/spring/mspiggy2_zps2b335ef2.jpg.html)
12. Okay--you were detained and given a citation? What information is being requested of you?
Gravitycollapse (5,388 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:21 PM
15. My question is not for a specific application. I just remembered my criminal history...
As I was searching for state jobs.
I was technically arrested but really only detained on the side of the road.
Hmmmm.
That's not something most of us usually have to remember, our criminal histories.
LittleBlue (5,225 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:12 PM
7. This
Never put something down on a piece of paper that could be construed as a lie. It's one thing to say a lie, it's another to have your lie in writing.
As she says, tell the truth but don't volunteer anything.
rug (56,488 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:06 PM
3. Usually not bad. But it depends on the job.
VScott (29 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:10 PM
6. If the job involves driving as part of the job
You would have a problem.. ie: "must have a clean driving record" in the job description.
Other than that, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
However, when there are 500+ applicants for the same position, there's no telling what they take into consideration.
Puzzledtraveller (3,920 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:12 PM
9. If you disclose it you should be fine.
I was 33 when I was hired on Louisville Metro Police Department and had a DUI 1st offense when I was 20. I was upfront with it from the very beginning. Severity of the conviction, the time between and how you have been since said conviction matters. With me, I was in the Air National Guard when the DUI took place. I was in school, stayed in school and finished, stayed out of trouble.
meanit (375 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:12 PM
10. Usually it's not automatically disqualifying
if you have a record. Just be candid and list the facts if they ask on the application. Trying to omit it or cover it up is what can sink you. Most background checks are done before a job offer is made.
stopbush (12,119 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:09 AM
30. Correct. Being over 50 years old? Now,THAT is automatically disqualifying in today's job market
as is being unemployed for over 6 months.
Atman (27,219 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:13 PM
11. "Crimimal Speeding?"
How fast were you going???
AFAIK, these type of offenses aren't considered serious. Real felonies, serious bad stuff, that's what they look for. Hell, the HR director might have a misdemeanor on his/her record. They're looking for real bad guys. If your resume is otherwise okay, be up front and be strong.
^^^has a record of criminally speeding in at least three different states.
^^^suffers from "road rage."
<<<mellow, laid back, so doesn't suffer from "road rage."
Gravitycollapse (5,388 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:17 PM
13. Well, how fast I was actually going is a matter of debate.
I was definitely exceeding the speed limit but do not personally know exactly by how much. The officer measured my speed by pacing, which is never totally accurate. He told the court I was going 62 in a 40.
However, I had just exited a 45 mph zone by less than half a mile. It was very late at night and I was on my way home on my motorcycle after a long evening at work.
Aerows (22,232 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:13 PM
23. I got tagged
for going 66 in a 40 mph zone because there was an abrupt construction zone on the GNO bridge (Crescent City Connection, I guess it is called now).
It was like 5:30 am (I hadn't been drinking or anything like that). That was a hell of a ticket and they threatened to take my driver's license, but of course, after getting hit with a $500+ (this was two decades ago), and going to court it was resolved.
I guess it depends on where it happens. You would have had to have the braking skills of a NASCAR driver to avoid that speed trap. There were a bunch of people lined up to the side that were blowing in breathalyzers that got caught in the same place I did.
Anything over 25mph over the speed limit is considered reckless driving.
I went to court and it was dropped to just a ticket for 14mph over the speed limit.
cherokeeprogressive (17,363 posts) Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:31 PM
16. Full disclosure. Not getting the job is LIGHT YEARS better than getting it and then getting fired.
I wish you all the best.
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Hmmm, DUmmie didn't make any mention of his road-side cavity search. :lmao:
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Hmmm, DUmmie didn't make any mention of his road-side cavity search. :lmao:
It was going to happen, but then he remembered the primitives' favored rape deterent and crapped and pissed all over himself. The cop decided he didn't get paid enough to deal with people like that and didn't touch the primitive
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024621052
<<<wonders what "arrested legally" means.
Is there such a thing as "arrested illegally"?
All arrests are illegal to a DUmmie. Well, unless it involves Fitzmas.
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Gravitycollapse
8. I did not go through the normal motions of an arrest but I was arrested legally.
In other words, the police told me in the parking lot I was under arrest, read me my miranda rights, took a finger print, wrote me the ticket and let me go.
I've never heard of a state that conducts "roadside arrests." Taking your fingerprint without bringing you into the station? I mean, you're either under arrest or you aren't. I've never heard of "I'm placing you under arrest, you have the right to remain silent...., let me get a fingerprint, here's your ticket, drive safe."
This loon has flown the coop. He can't even tell an accurate lie on Skin's island.
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I don't know why he's worried about his record. It's the urine analysis that gonna get him every time.
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That is not arrest. That is detained. Some states get a fingerprint on the ticket rather just a signature. Too many people were saying that's not me. That's not my signature.
Reading Maranda is usually not done until under arrest, but you could be read your rights if you are just questioned.
Story is a jumble of contradictions so I would fall back to the meme the dummies lie, all the time. Criminals do also.
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What cops regard as an arrest, vs. what courts, and then prospective employers regard as an arrest, are three similar but not necessarily identical things. Best not to try and split too many technical hairs on this one, DUmmie. Best to ask the employer whether this includes 'cited and released' for a traffic offense or means only 'booked into the jail.'
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I've led such a sheltered life....never been behind bars in my life..... :bawl: I've been deprived of a DUmmie life experience.
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Dutch's explanation clears it up for me. I'd never heard of the print thing, however, it makes sense.
The Miranda deal just sounds like good LEO procedure in event the detained makes some stupid remark that turns to an arrest.
I doubt Miranda is commonly used unless the officer suspects something warrants it.
DUmmies warrant it 100% of the time. DUmmie should remove the o'bummer sticker from his mo-ped.
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Remember, DUmmys lie, they lie all the time. Like Obama, they lie even when they don't have to.
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This DUmmy needs to contact "Laser Haas, Private Attorney General".
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Oh my.
NM_Birder (617 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:50 AM
response to MsPiggy, who doesn't answer
35. When is an officer given the authority
to release a suspect, once he is read his Miranda rights and placed under arrest?
Read his Miranda rights, fingerprinted and then issued a speeding ticket and released ? .... in the field ?
"detained" ? seriously ? what state do you practice law ?
Gravitycollapse (5,390 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:08 PM
37. No one asked you to come in here and accuse me of lying. Please go away.
NM_Birder (617 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:46 AM
34. what ?
He read you your Miranda rights, took a fingerprint....and then let you go ?
Once under arrest, the officer does not have the authority to release you on site.
How exactly did the officer take your fingerprints.
This type of fabrication will sink your chances in even a low level background check, ....... what is it you are not telling. And why are you making part of this up ?
Gravitycollapse (5,390 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:04 PM
36. I'm not making any of this up. Please don't accuse me of lying.
NM_Birder (617 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:19 PM
39. fair enough.
he read you your rights, scanned your fingerprint to verify you were who your licence said you were, then placed you under arrest, ..... and then let you go.
Along with the speeding ticket, what else did he give you ?
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Bird is not my mole.
I rarely read Miranda during a traffic stop, and never during a possible dui.
On a dui, once the field sobriety test is done and the pbt completed and you blow over .08, I place you under arrest. I rarely will talk to you on the ride to jail and never ask you further questions. Everything we do is video and audio recorded.
Most of the time the defensive attorney will ask if I read the subject their rights. I say no. They ask if I asked any questions on the way to jail, again no. Any statement they make in the car is taped and can be used. I love people who watch cop shows. They make me laugh.
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NM_Birder (617 posts) Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:19 PM
Along with the speeding ticket, what else did he give you ?
So, we're back to that STD question?