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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Dori on February 24, 2014, 06:24:57 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024558762
warrprayer (2,562 posts)
So, when the A.C.A. fines kick in...
...for not getting insurance, can someone explain to me exactly how this will work?
I have not signed up yet. I am in Pa., and our teabagger Governor has refused expanded Medicaid or whatever the poor peeple option was supposed to be. I am presently in the under $10,000 dollar yearly income group - way under.
So, if I haven't signed up, what happens? I owe the government money?
And the year after that, a lot more money?
Even in pre revolution France, they didn't imprison people for not being able to afford to buy bread. you at least had to actually steal it first.
When large numbers of poor people can't afford this, will we see the poor being thrown into prison for not being able to pay the fines? This could get really interesting.
yeoman6987 (682 posts)
1. Not an expert
I believe that it is attached to your income taxes and if you don't pay income taxes then they take it out of your bank account or 401K or they deduct it from any sort of government check you may receive. If you have none of those, I don't know….maybe nothing but again far from an expert. I highly doubt prison though.
warrprayer (2,562 posts)
4. somehow to me
... as one who campaigned for Obama in '08 and voted for him again in '12, there seems to be something terribly awry here. I realy didn't expect to be living on the streets on and off this far into his Presidency. I look back on the Clinton years as my "good old days". Plenty of jobs here, working 60 hour weeks or more, gold plated insurance, when GWB got in it was like someone opened a trap door and we all fell through. I hoped to see a lot more progress by now.
wercal (1,189 posts)
5. I don't think they can go into your bank account or 401k
The entire reason this was upheld by the SCOTUS was the determination that the fine is a 'tax'.
So, I assume it will be collected just like any other past due tax.
That should include the fine being withheld from any tax refund check.
I don't think it will be taken out of 'any sort of government check'. But I do have questions.
- Will somebody in arrears be eligible for federal student aid?
- Will the fine be used to reduce a tax refund, if that refund is EIC?
- What stops somebody from manipulating their W-4 to never get a refund, and never pay the fine?
warrprayer (2,562 posts)
6. thanks for the info
being over 50 in this economy is a nightmare, as many others on here have said. I cringe at the thought of what it would have been under Romney, my only consolation.
Mnemosyne (17,938 posts)
7. My daughter was fined when filing her taxes. She has no job or income. In Pa. nt
warrprayer (2,562 posts)
8. O.K. now I'm getting two different stories.
Someone please help, I am confused.
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Corbett just signed one of the largest gas tax increases in the country. He's hardly a Tea Party governor.
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warrprayer (2,562 posts)
4. somehow to me
... as one who campaigned for Obama in '08 and voted for him again in '12, there seems to be something terribly awry here. I realy didn't expect to be living on the streets on and off this far into his Presidency. I look back on the Clinton years as my "good old days". Plenty of jobs here, working 60 hour weeks or more, gold plated insurance, when GWB got in it was like someone opened a trap door and we all fell through. I hoped to see a lot more progress by now.
Obama has made more honest statements than the bolded.
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Are pigs flying, a Dummy actually made a quotable statement that I agree with. "Even in pre-revolution France people weren't fined for not being able to afford bread, they actually had to steal it first."
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Will somebody in arrears be eligible for federal student aid?
- Will the fine be used to reduce a tax refund, if that refund is EIC?
- What stops somebody from manipulating their W-4 to never get a refund, and never pay the fine?
a) don't know for sure, but I don't believe so
b) YES, I know of people who in a divorce situation have had to pay errors by an ex spouse on previous year tax returns out of a refund even with EITC being most of that refund. There was no discussion, the IRS just pulled it right from whoever got a refund.
c) Nothing I suppose.
To address the other issue with regards to not going into your bank account. i don't think(right now) they can go into retirement accounts like a 401k, however they most certainly can put a levy against a bank account and a garnishment on wages. Remember dummies, this got through as a tax right? Well collecting back taxes now involves all those tactics. Enjoy what you've sewn...
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I thought DUmmies liked Obamacare. No? At the risk of sounding like a broken record.
:ownit:
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But, but, but.. I thought the DUmmies were the smartest people in the world!
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But, but, but.. I thought the DUmmies were the smartest people in the world!
So do they. That's what makes watching them so much fun. :popcorn:
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But, but, but.. I thought the DUmmies were the smartest people in the world!
You bet. Head of the class.
(http://ts4.explicit.bing.net/th?id=HN.608035702646505977&pid=1.7)
..and I see Unicorns and fairy dust rainbows.....
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I hope the DUmmies remember that Hillary wanted to put people in jail that were uninsured.
Obama claimed this:
But Obama defended the mailer, saying that it "accurately indicates that the main difference between Senator Clinton's plan and mine is the fact that she would force in some fashion individuals to purchase health care."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/27/barack-obama/force-yes-but-she-wants-it-affordable/
What the hell does his plan do? It forces people to purchase health care of pay a fine.
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Are pigs flying, a Dummy actually made a quotable statement that I agree with. "Even in pre-revolution France people weren't fined for not being able to afford bread, they actually had to steal it first."
Your answer has raw beauty and simplicity. Just steal health care. Then stealing could be considered getting a pre existing condition.
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Why would any governor have to sign anything for someone to apply for Medicaid? Is there a state in the union that doesn't have it? If your state doesn't have 0bamacare can't you go to the federal exchanges?
Cindie
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DUmmies these are things you SHOULD have been worried about before this became law.
Instead you just supported it like the mindless sheep you are.
:ownit:
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DUmmies these are things you SHOULD have been worried about before this became law.
Instead you just supported it like the mindless sheep you are.
We had to pass it to find out what's in it.
Now this DUmmy has found out.
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We had to pass it to find out what's in it.
Now this DUmmy has found out.
And now the DUmmy gets to hear the four most cruel words in the English language:
WE TOLD YOU SO!
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Why would any governor have to sign anything for someone to apply for Medicaid? Is there a state in the union that doesn't have it? If your state doesn't have 0bamacare can't you go to the federal exchanges?
Cindie
That part confuses me too. Obamacare has a wage minimum in order to qualify for medical insurance.
You would think that anything below that falls into the Medicaid category. However, states have their own Medicaid rules for income levels and who qualifies.
When they talk about Medicaid expansion, I believe the ACA assumed that all states would cover the gaps between the states maximums and the Federal's minimum.
Apparently not. There is a gap there where some people who make above their states maximum level and below the Federal minimum level.
Part of the ACA was to pay for those in the gaps for three years, but after that, the states would have to pick them up. Some states have figured out that their budgets just can't afford it.
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Why would any governor have to sign anything for someone to apply for Medicaid? Is there a state in the union that doesn't have it? If your state doesn't have 0bamacare can't you go to the federal exchanges?
Cindie
The DUmmie is referring to 'Expanded Medicaid,' which ropes in a lot more people...essentially by offering a bunch of extra Federal money to the State to cover it for awhile, but then sticking the State with the bill in the long run. A typical scam with Federal entitlement programs.
OWN IT, DUMMIES!!!
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That part confuses me too. Obamacare has a wage minimum in order to qualify for medical insurance.
You would think that anything below that falls into the Medicaid category. However, states have their own Medicaid rules for income levels and who qualifies.
When they talk about Medicaid expansion, I believe the ACA assumed that all states would cover the gaps between the states maximums and the Federal's minimum.
Apparently not. There is a gap there where some people who make above their states maximum level and below the Federal minimum level.
Part of the ACA was to pay for those in the gaps for three years, but after that, the states would have to pick them up. Some states have figured out that their budgets just can't afford it.
Medicaid is an enormous local budget buster,many states pass much or all the costs to the county governments.
On Fox the other night they were saying that the only thing covered by the 3 years of "free" federal money is entirely brand new Medicaid recipients.
The upshot of that is those who may have already at one time been on the rolls do not get covered by expansion funds but entirely by the state.
No idea on that,can`t find anything online about it.
Regardless,in 3 years the Feds start reducing the money to eventually a point of states picking up 10% of the tab by 2017.
This was interesting...
The Federal Government pays 100% of expansion costs for the first three years and 90% thereafter until 2022.
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacares-medicaid-expansion.php
What happens after 2022?
Everything I can find online uses an assumption that expanding Medicaid will lower health care costs so as to be a net benefit to the state.
Common sense and past history show this to be a baseless theory in my opinion.
It presumes all usage will be vital and preventative.
Observations have shown it increases usage for non vital care as the general feeling becomes that it the same as personally purchased insurance.
The tendency to use it for every sniffle increases and the preventative benefit can never be proven.
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I'm still waiting for my 3000% decrease of my premiums or at the very least my $2500/year discount.
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I'm still waiting for my 3000% decrease of my premiums or at the very least my $2500/year discount.
And where are my flying cars and skittle-sh*tting unicorns, damn it!!!
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I'm still waiting for my 3000% decrease of my premiums or at the very least my $2500/year discount.
Weren't our bosses supposed to give us a raise, too?
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warrprayer (2,562 posts)
4. somehow to me
... as one who campaigned for Obama in '08 and voted for him again in '12, there seems to be something terribly awry here. Yeah, you're an idiot for blindly following and believing in obama. I realy didn't expect to be living on the streets on and off this far into his Presidency.
:ownit:
warrprayer (2,562 posts)
6. thanks for the info
being over 50 in this economy is a nightmare, as many others on here have said. I cringe at the thought of what it would have been under Romney, my only consolation.
You seriously think it would be any worse under rMoney? Anywhere from where you are right now has to be up.
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We had to pass it to find out what's in it.
Now this DUmmy has found out.
I'll help visualize:
(http://acertainpointofview.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pegg-sandwich.jpg)
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http://www.atr.org/irs-warns-obamacare-tax-must-paid-a8164
If you (or any of your dependents) do not maintain coverage and do not qualify for an exemption, you will need to make an individual shared responsibility payment with your return. In general, the payment amount is either a percentage of your household income or a flat dollar amount, whichever is greater. You will owe 1/12th of the annual payment for each month you (or your dependents) do not have coverage and are not exempt. The annual payment amount for 2014 is the greater of:
1 percent of your household income that is above the tax return filing threshold for your filing status, such as Married Filing Jointly or single, or
Your family’s flat dollar amount, which is $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, limited to a maximum of $285.
Read more: http://atr.org/irs-warns-obamacare-tax-must-paid-a8164#ixzz2uNfmqXi5
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Barry also said raising CAFE standards would save me $8,000/year in fuel costs.
I only spend $7,000/year now, does that mean he pays me for the difference? :confused:
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So, when the A.C.A. fines kick in...
...for not getting insurance, can someone explain to me exactly how this will work?
Easy. Smudge it with sage. All will be better.
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Barry also said raising CAFE standards would save me $8,000/year in fuel costs.
I only spend $7,000/year now, does that mean he pays me for the difference? :confused:
Your current internal combustion engine will become so fuel efficient, it will become a net producer of fuel. This is due to the healing atmosphere owebuma has provided.
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Your current internal combustion engine will become so fuel efficient, it will become a net producer of fuel. This is due to the healing atmosphere owebuma has provided.
Right... :lol:
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The primitives probably won't bother reading this:
Reiterating what the penalties for no insurance will be
They know not what they do (http://www.atr.org/irs-warns-obamacare-tax-must-paid-a8164)
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Obama will be known as a "FINE" president.
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The primitives probably won't bother reading this:
Reiterating what the penalties for no insurance will be
They know not what they do (http://www.atr.org/irs-warns-obamacare-tax-must-paid-a8164)
The term "shared responsibility" appear several times in that article. Is that newspeak for communism?
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The term "shared responsibility" appear several times in that article. Is that newspeak for communism?
It would be.. if primitives understood what responsibility was.
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What a bunch of racists. Next think you know, they will be complaining about their tin god's million dollar vacations.