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Title: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 17, 2008, 11:56:29 PM
What if there is another terroristt attack that makes 9/11 pale in comparison, like hundreds of thousands of millions dead? I am no conspriacy theorists, but here is my assessment. There will be a lot of unrest and rioting. Martial law will be in place and tens of millions of will be rounded up and sent to prison and be left out to rot and fend for themselves. Anyone remotely leftist and/or seen as sympathetic will be imprisoned, but more then likely die. In the process, many will get killed.

Also, there will be lynch mobs. That would mean professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists, pundits, etc. will be affected. Many people will be tortured brutally to a point that they will turn up as mutilated body parts. There will be corpses on the streets and severely injured people who are near death. Others will disappear into the darkness and never come back.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Attero Dominatus on January 18, 2008, 01:39:29 AM
I think Katrina was a small taste of what would happen in the aftermath of such an attack, especially where mass disarmament is concerned.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Full-Auto on January 18, 2008, 06:20:49 AM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: franksolich on January 18, 2008, 06:44:35 AM
If one wants an idea of how America would react to the inevitable attack on our soil again, all one has to do is look at France, circa midnight May 10, 1940 (or even midnight April 9, 1940 is a good parallel).

When I was in college, at the University of Nebraska, I stumbled across a whole lot of yellowing, dusty old master's theses and doctorate papers in the library, about the public sentiment in France just before Hitler invaded.

The situation now is eerily similar with that of France circa midnight May 10, 1940 (or the other date); about 60% of the French were dissatisfied with the "phoney war," and wanted the soldiers to come home and do the spring planting; about 15% had no opinion, or were indifferent; and only 25% honestly believed the Germans were a threat.

I think that's probably reflective of American attitudes today.

Well, that changed in a hurry.

I used to believe in this idea that "we're all in this together," and that we all would pull together.

But after seven years of watching the primitives on Skins's island, and the Democrats in Congress, I no longer believe that; like the Frenchmen in late spring 1940, when the hammer falls, I'm going to be very selective about who I care about.

If I'm in a position to render someone aid or assistance in a terrorist attack, I'm going to want to see his voter registration card first, after which I'll make up my mind to help or not help.

Primitives and Democrats won't get an iota from me; they can go **** themselves.

Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Chris_ on January 18, 2008, 07:09:08 AM
I think Katrina was a small taste of what would happen in the aftermath of such an attack, especially where mass disarmament is concerned.
I think 9/11 is the more proper probable model.  Remember, at the time it looked like we had 25-50K killed.  There was mass confusion as to what happened, yet no rioting, no looting and in fact, the best of people came out.

And the looting associate with Katrina was extremely limited.  Most reports of lawlessness were exaggerated or made up from whole cloth.

There has been rioting in the past, but there was usually a racial flashpoint.  I think a major attack would be more like a major natural disaster.  People not in the affected area will just be glued to their TVs.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Ptarmigan on January 18, 2008, 10:29:58 PM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?

Al-Qaeda are a bunch of cowards. They like to act all tough, but they are just whimps. They are just talk. They have no spine.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Lauri on January 18, 2008, 10:54:26 PM
What if there is another terroristt attack that makes 9/11 pale in comparison, like hundreds of thousands of millions dead? I am no conspriacy theorists, but here is my assessment. There will be a lot of unrest and rioting. Martial law will be in place and tens of millions of will be rounded up and sent to prison and be left out to rot and fend for themselves. Anyone remotely leftist and/or seen as sympathetic will be imprisoned, but more then likely die. In the process, many will get killed.

Also, there will be lynch mobs. That would mean professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists, pundits, etc. will be affected. Many people will be tortured brutally to a point that they will turn up as mutilated body parts. There will be corpses on the streets and severely injured people who are near death. Others will disappear into the darkness and never come back.


well, arent you cheerful today? :)

but here is why i disagree; the govt needs more dollars so ergo, they need more workers. killing off hundreds of millions (??) of people would be silly. they'd lose all those tax dollars...

Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Lauri on January 18, 2008, 11:01:02 PM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?

if i'm not mistaken, our military has been dispatching al quaeda quite handily over the past four years. i think a lot of their upper level people have been killed or rounded up.

Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: PatriotGame on January 19, 2008, 01:01:51 AM
What if there is another terroristt attack that makes 9/11 pale in comparison, like hundreds of thousands of millions dead? I am no conspriacy theorists, but here is my assessment. There will be a lot of unrest and rioting. Martial law will be in place and tens of millions of will be rounded up and sent to prison and be left out to rot and fend for themselves. Anyone remotely leftist and/or seen as sympathetic will be imprisoned, but more then likely die. In the process, many will get killed.

Also, there will be lynch mobs. That would mean professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists, pundits, etc. will be affected. Many people will be tortured brutally to a point that they will turn up as mutilated body parts. There will be corpses on the streets and severely injured people who are near death. Others will disappear into the darkness and never come back.
Somebody sneaked a peek at the VRWC's world domination handbook.
One thing for sure, if hell on earth like you describe does happen, indeed all of the America hating GUNLESS liberal socialist hippie professor journalist protester pussies will be crying in the street and giving up their freedoms for a bowl of food and a drink of water.

Guess who owns the guns and will control the food and water?  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Crazy Horse on January 19, 2008, 01:12:58 AM
If one wants an idea of how America would react to the inevitable attack on our soil again, all one has to do is look at France, circa midnight May 10, 1940 (or even midnight April 9, 1940 is a good parallel).

When I was in college, at the University of Nebraska, I stumbled across a whole lot of yellowing, dusty old master's theses and doctorate papers in the library, about the public sentiment in France just before Hitler invaded.

The situation now is eerily similar with that of France circa midnight May 10, 1940 (or the other date); about 60% of the French were dissatisfied with the "phoney war," and wanted the soldiers to come home and do the spring planting; about 15% had no opinion, or were indifferent; and only 25% honestly believed the Germans were a threat.

I think that's probably reflective of American attitudes today.

Well, that changed in a hurry.

I used to believe in this idea that "we're all in this together," and that we all would pull together.

But after seven years of watching the primitives on Skins's island, and the Democrats in Congress, I no longer believe that; like the Frenchmen in late spring 1940, when the hammer falls, I'm going to be very selective about who I care about.

If I'm in a position to render someone aid or assistance in a terrorist attack, I'm going to want to see his voter registration card first, after which I'll make up my mind to help or not help.

Primitives and Democrats won't get an iota from me; they can go **** themselves.



Amen sir....................you drove nail square on the head
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Taxman on January 19, 2008, 05:53:00 AM
If such an event did occur...woe be it to any member of the ROT (religion of terror).  A lot of good ol boys would be itching to arrange meetings for them and their 72 virgins.  Mosques would be the equivalent of ponds during duck hunting season. 

I have thought about such a scenario and too conclude that it is not likely to happen...AQ is sort of a non-threat.  If something nasty did happen, I would head for the mountains and wait it out.  This old cowboy, if unaffected by whatever the nasty event would be, can survive a long time in the wild.  I doubt that I would encounter too many birkenstock wearing, granola munching types up there.  If I did, I doubt that I would harm them...but I would make them work for the food that I would provide. 
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Full-Auto on January 19, 2008, 07:32:12 AM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?

if i'm not mistaken, our military has been dispatching al quaeda quite handily over the past four years. i think a lot of their upper level people have been killed or rounded up.


So you think we've killed all their operatives?  We don't have any Al Quaeda sympathizers here in the US?  We've killed every crazy "I want to kill Americans" radical Muslim in the world? 

They don't need high level leaders to go on a shooting spree or car bombing spree here in the US.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Lauri on January 19, 2008, 02:33:08 PM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?

if i'm not mistaken, our military has been dispatching al quaeda quite handily over the past four years. i think a lot of their upper level people have been killed or rounded up.


So you think we've killed all their operatives?  We don't have any Al Quaeda sympathizers here in the US?  We've killed every crazy "I want to kill Americans" radical Muslim in the world? 

They don't need high level leaders to go on a shooting spree or car bombing spree here in the US.


oh no, i dont think they are completely neutralized... but i think their operation has been severely disabled.. with communication fairly difficult.

i do wonder about the large groups of muslims living in clusters around the USA .. it does make me think its maybe going to be a problem when they want to start voting in sharia law  ... and honor killings still dont get much media here.

i think its over hyped though.. i think something would have happened here since 2001... we've gone seven years without an attack, surely its not for lack of trying on their part..

there have been some foiled plots, but those arent as interesting as a full blown attack. in fact, the world over has seen less attacks like that. and beheadings seem to be down as well. or al jazeera has stopped giving al quaeda news..
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Lance on January 20, 2008, 04:49:38 PM
I don't see a way presently for an organization such as Al-Qaeda to cause hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties.

If if they did manage to get their hands on a nuke, there is a fine science to detonation of such a device to maximize damage.  One key factor is the ability to air burst the warhead.  If you detonate it at ground level in a place like NY or Chicago, even a bomb the size of those dropped in WWII would be hard pressed to kill hundreds of thousands of people or to destroy the entire city.

The other option is for them to get some super deadly bug and release it, one that we're not prepared for.  Again, I don't see them accomplishing that any time soon, if ever.  Creating, transporting and releasing biological and chemical agents is no small feat if you want to kill hundreds of thousands or millions of people.

The best they could do is bombings, perhaps some dirty bombs, more plane hi-jackings, etc.  In any event the causalities would be in the thousands at best, not hundreds of thousands or even millions.

What I find striking is that if Al-Qaeda is really after us as we're told, why haven't we seen car bombs like this (http://www.full-auto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=628) detonated in every major American city?  The materials are available online without so much as a background check and if properly carried out, the attacker doesn't even have to commit suicide.  With readily available weapons like AK's and AR's, why haven't we seen Al-Qaeda operatives going on shooting sprees in metropolitan areas?  Such attacks are easily carried out as they don't require much planning and the repercussions would be enormous.  New laws enacted almost over night that would rile up the 2nd Amendment crowd, people would be scared to go out into public...

Is it because Al-Qaeda only wants major events like 9/11?  That doesn't seem likely given we're killing thousands of them daily around the world.  You would think they would want to strike back in any way they could... but they haven't.  Why is that?
IIRC bin Laden told his followers that each attack would be more spectacular than the next. I am not surprised that AQ has not gone the IED route here yet. They are not prepared for the onslaught of destruction that would follow if they were to hit us like that in any way. Look for attacks like that to occur if Iran decides that we are no longer a threat. The Hizbohs would be more likely to use that strategy on US soil than AQ IMO.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: The Night Owl on January 20, 2008, 05:05:14 PM
What if there is another terroristt attack that makes 9/11 pale in comparison, like hundreds of thousands of millions dead? I am no conspriacy theorists, but here is my assessment. There will be a lot of unrest and rioting. Martial law will be in place and tens of millions of will be rounded up and sent to prison and be left out to rot and fend for themselves. Anyone remotely leftist and/or seen as sympathetic will be imprisoned, but more then likely die. In the process, many will get killed.

Also, there will be lynch mobs. That would mean professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists, pundits, etc. will be affected. Many people will be tortured brutally to a point that they will turn up as mutilated body parts. There will be corpses on the streets and severely injured people who are near death. Others will disappear into the darkness and never come back.

I really doubt that Americans would turn on their fellow Americans in the aftermath of a major terrorist attack on American soil. In fact, I think that such an a attack would cause most Americans to pull together regardless of political leanings.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Chris_ on January 20, 2008, 05:17:07 PM
What if there is another terroristt attack that makes 9/11 pale in comparison, like hundreds of thousands of millions dead? I am no conspriacy theorists, but here is my assessment. There will be a lot of unrest and rioting. Martial law will be in place and tens of millions of will be rounded up and sent to prison and be left out to rot and fend for themselves. Anyone remotely leftist and/or seen as sympathetic will be imprisoned, but more then likely die. In the process, many will get killed.

Also, there will be lynch mobs. That would mean professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists, pundits, etc. will be affected. Many people will be tortured brutally to a point that they will turn up as mutilated body parts. There will be corpses on the streets and severely injured people who are near death. Others will disappear into the darkness and never come back.

I really doubt that Americans would turn on their fellow Americans in the aftermath of a major terrorist attack on American soil. In fact, I think that such an a attack would cause most Americans to pull together regardless of political leanings.

Didn't you read?  This is a chance to get rid of those professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists and pundits.  How bad could it be? OK, the last three at least.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: The Night Owl on January 20, 2008, 05:34:33 PM


Didn't you read?  This is a chance to get rid of those professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists and pundits.  How bad could it be? OK, the last three at least.


Okay... Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm operating under the assumption that Ebola Zaire is not hoping for some kind of violent purge of lefties in America but simply speculating that one might occur in the aftermath of a terrorist attack.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Chris_ on January 20, 2008, 05:36:12 PM


Didn't you read?  This is a chance to get rid of those professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists and pundits.  How bad could it be? OK, the last three at least.


Okay... Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm operating under the assumption that Ebola Zaire is not hoping for some kind of violent purge of lefties in America but simply speculating that one might occur in the aftermath of a terrorist attack.
Well, if I can steer the mobs, I can channel their anger while removing a liberal scourge.  I'll have to check with teh Rove...
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: TheSarge on January 21, 2008, 02:16:28 PM


Didn't you read?  This is a chance to get rid of those professors, teachers, students, actors/actresses, journalists and pundits.  How bad could it be? OK, the last three at least.


You're not as innocent as your acting.

And a purge of the Socialists in this country wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

Okay... Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm operating under the assumption that Ebola Zaire is not hoping for some kind of violent purge of lefties in America but simply speculating that one might occur in the aftermath of a terrorist attack.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: The Night Owl on January 21, 2008, 02:24:31 PM

And a purge of the Socialists in this country wouldn't be a bad thing at all.


So, you think that a terrorist attack on the US would be a good thing as long as it leads to a purge of your political opponents? How very Gator circa 2005 of you.
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: Full-Auto on January 21, 2008, 07:47:05 PM

And a purge of the Socialists in this country wouldn't be a bad thing at all.


So, you think that a terrorist attack on the US would be a good thing as long as it leads to a purge of your political opponents? How very Gator circa 2005 of you.
Oh c'mon, don't tell me the thought hasn't crossed your mind.  You would love nothing more than to rid the world of Gator's and Limbaugh's... I've seen your rants.   :-)

I wouldn't purge you guys, I would just banish you to Canada.  If I caught you sneaking back into the country though, the purge would be on.   :tongue:
Title: Re: What If There Is Another Terrorist Attack?
Post by: The Night Owl on January 22, 2008, 12:03:23 AM
Oh c'mon, don't tell me the thought hasn't crossed your mind.  You would love nothing more than to rid the world of Gator's and Limbaugh's... I've seen your rants.   :-)

You have me all wrong. I believe very strongly in the two party system in the US...

http://amcon.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=gendis&action=display&thread=1199466748

Even though I oppose righties on most issues, I can't imagine my country without them, and when I can, I don't like what I see.

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I wouldn't purge you guys, I would just banish you to Canada.  If I caught you sneaking back into the country though, the purge would be on.   :tongue:

If the shit hits the fan, you righties won't stand a chance against the vast network of command and control outposts lefties have established across the US. You didn't really believe that Starbucks is just a coffee seller, did you?

I hope you bitches like chicory.

:tongue: