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Clark blasts McCain's military service
Josh Kraushaar
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Gen. Wesley Clark, acting as a surrogate for Barack Obama’s campaign, invoked John McCain’s military service against him in one of the more personal attacks on the Republican presidential nominee this election cycle.
Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried†on CBS’ “Face the Nation.†And in saying so, he took a few swipes at McCain’s military service.
“He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,†Clark said.
“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.â€
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), also on CBS, was equally uncharitable towards Obama’s record on foreign policy as he continued to distance himself from his former party.
“Sen. Obama, unfortunately, like a lot of the Democratic leadership, continues to take a position that we ought to withdraw ... even though the new policy is working,†said Lieberman. “If we had done what Sen. Obama asked us to do for the last couple of years, today Iran and Al Qaeda would be in control of Iraq. It would be a terrible defeat for us and our allies in the Middle East and throughout the world.â€
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080629/pl_politico/11425 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080629/pl_politico/11425)
This after all the indignant huffing and puffing over all the terrible "swiftboating" John Kerry had to endure. :whatever: Liberals have turned hypocrisy into an art-form, and Wesley has given us a masterpiece.
Meanwhile, I'm starting to like Lieberman more and more.
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“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.â€
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“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.â€
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:bs:yeah wes, but apparently almost starting WWIII against the russians in serbia is... "kettle, this is pot, you're black over"
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And Obama has what executive experience that trumps McCains? He has what military experience that trumps McCains?
I can't believe Clark went there. Honestly, anyone smarter then your average DUmp monkey is just gonna think Clark is a dumb **** with these comments (if they already didn't).
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Coming from a guy who was for all practical purposes relieved of his command for being an Ass Clown this holds very little weight.
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And Obama's 140-odd days in the Senate (and his inability to understand how to vote no less...) makes him more qualified?
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And Obama's 140-odd days in the Senate (and his inability to understand how to vote no less...) makes him more qualified?
Why you rascist conservo-tool!
:fuelfire: :innocent: ;)
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And Obama's 140-odd days in the Senate (and his inability to understand how to vote no less...) makes him more qualified?
Why you rascist conservo-tool!
:fuelfire: :innocent: ;)
LOL! yeah, I know my comments aren't helping Oooobama's baby mama's kids are they? :-)
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And Obama's 140-odd days in the Senate (and his inability to understand how to vote no less...) makes him more qualified?
Why you rascist conservo-tool!
:fuelfire: :innocent: ;)
LOL! yeah, I know my comments aren't helping Oooobama's baby mama's kids are they? :-)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/mobamma2.jpg)
"I don't see how this conversation helps my kids."
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I'm just a fish-eyed fool. :-)
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“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.â€
Neither does getting fired by the President or nearly starting WW III....but that hasn't stopped you now has it General?
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Never disrespect those who have served, and served honorably...for they protect the very freedoms you hold dear.
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It may seem like a Herculean, if not quixotic, task to run as a retired general, on a national-security platform, in a party that is energized by the antiwar sloganeering of Howard Dean and characterized by the national-security angst of John Kerry. But quixotic missions are nothing new for Clark. After all, this is the man who led NATO's war in Kosovo — a just and necessary war, but a war that no one in the Alliance wanted to wage, with the possible exception of Tony Blair. This is the man who lobbied for a ground invasion of Serbia — an invasion plan that his president and peers on the Joint Chiefs of Staff declared dead on arrival.
This is the man who, as NATO shifted from war-fighting mode into peacekeeping mode, ordered his ground commander to deploy a helicopter assault team to block a surprise Russian advance into Kosovo's major airfield — an order his British subordinate answered with a terse and chilling rejoinder: "I'm not going to start World War III for you." After both men appealed to their national commanders — a practice permitted under NATO's vague and unwieldy war-fighting conventions — cooler heads in Washington and London agreed with Clark's subordinate, concluding that NATO's unity was more important than Kosovo's airport. A humiliated Clark was forced to rescind his order. Two months later, he was unceremoniously replaced as Supreme Allied Commander-Europe (SACEUR). The turn of events stunned Clark: "I never saw myself as a 55-year-old retired general," he later said.
To be fair, leading NATO into battle is something akin to herding cats, which is just one reason why the Bush administration is not always eager to turn every mission in the campaign against terror into a NATO operation. If anyone should understand why, it is Wes Clark, who saw NATO's politicians fight a civil war over targets, bases, and battle plans. (It didn't help that he served a halfhearted, distracted president.) The general shouldn't be blamed for NATO's balky command structure and dithering political leadership, but nor should he be lionized for leading the alliance to some great victory. After 77 days of bombing, the vaunted, hamstrung alliance barely beat back Serbia's 1960s-vintage military.
DON'T LOOK LIKE IKE
Nor should he be compared to Dwight Eisenhower; Wes Clark is no Eisenhower. Ike returned from Europe as a conquering hero, the general of generals. Even before he became president, Eisenhower was beloved by the American people, respected by America's allies, and feared by America's enemies. Clark is indeed a war hero — he fought and bled in Vietnam, earned a Silver Star after being wounded four times, commanded in times of combat and peace, and led NATO through its first war — but he is not beloved. In fact, if it weren't for extensive (and recent) time served as an armchair general, he would barely be known outside the Beltway.
Yet Beltway politics are an important front in Clark's campaign — or at least in the campaign being mounted in his name. As historian David Halberstam writes in War in a Time of Peace, Clark's critics "always believed he might be a little too political." Clark often frustrated subordinates and superiors alike with his micromanaging tendencies and political maneuvering. In fact, he tried to play the hawkish Blair off against the distracted Clinton during NATO's Kosovo campaign. Some NATO air commanders, especially the American ones, blamed Clark for compromising with NATO's political leaders too much on targets early in the war, thus lengthening the campaign. After weeks of trying to corner and back channel Clinton and the Joint Chiefs into launching a ground war, Clark was virtually quarantined from the war council. "I rue the day I made him SACEUR," Defense Secretary Bill Cohen is reported to have said.
In an unmistakable sign of his anger with Clark's style, Joint Chiefs Chairman Henry Shelton didn't even bother attending Clark's formal retirement ceremonies. Shelton wasn't alone: Several other chiefs were AWOL as the Pentagon saluted General Clark for his abbreviated tenure.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-dowd082103.asp
McCain spent 5 years being tortured in a POW camp. This POS gets the door because he can barely handle Kosovo.
Uh-huh.
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I read some more on this story... My head almost exploded when I read this part.
When Schieffer then asked what executive responsibility Obama had held - the Democrat's résumé includes work as a community organizer in Chicago and eight years in the Illinois legislature - Clark said that Obama was running on the strength of his character and good judgment.
I am absolutely amazed that the universe did not explode with the utterance of such hypocrisy.
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I am absolutely amazed that the universe did not explode with the utterance of such hypocrisy.
Barakstar! has two of the most useless retired Generals to ever dabble in politics...Wes Clark and Merrill McPeak as advisors.
That should send a chill down the spine of anyone who's ever worn the uniform...or wears it now.
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I am absolutely amazed that the universe did not explode with the utterance of such hypocrisy.
Barakstar! has two of the most useless retired Generals to ever dabble in politics...Wes Clark and Merrill McPeak as advisors.
That should send a chill down the spine of anyone who's ever worn the uniform...or wears it now.
aint that the truth !
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Clark is a ****ing piece of shit who needs to go ahead and assume room temperature. :censored:
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"I will tell you the reason Clark came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. […] I'll just say Wes won't get my vote," casting doubt upon the presidential contender's legitimacy. General Henry Shelton, 2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Shelton
CIB, Masterblaster wings, HALO wings, Pathfinder, Long tab (Special Forces), and Ranger? I'm going with him.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/General_Henry_Shelton%2C_official_portrait_2.jpg/250px-General_Henry_Shelton%2C_official_portrait_2.jpg)
Don't care for his politics, though.
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No offense intended towards anybody, but, in general, military commanders are control freaks. There are always exceptions to the rule. Hence the death and demise of TQM/ TQL.
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I really think the Lib attack on McCain's record is going to backfire.
Kerry was running on his four month tour of duty, and the facts showed he was a coward who stood before congress and LIED about his fellow soldiers.
The Swiftboat was a natural response.
McCain is NOT running on his record. This is going to play as underhanded in mainstream America.
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I really think the Lib attack on McCain's record is going to backfire.
Kerry was running on his four month tour of duty, and the facts showed he was a coward who stood before congress and LIED about his fellow soldiers.
The Swiftboat was a natural response.
McCain is NOT running on his record. This is going to play as underhanded in mainstream America.
I would say that this could very well be the moment the water skis came off the ramp and over the shark pen.
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Clark was the very model of the "Perfumed Prince" of an officer post RVN, as contemporaries have stated. Obsequious with superiors (but not sickeningly so) and aloof and very superior with subordinates.
He has little room to critique others.
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Wow...the Clinton sock-puppet didn't just shoot himself in the foot on that one, he blew his ****ing legs off ala Max Cleland. See what happens when you play with shit that goes, "BOOM", people?
And I love the claim by Andrea Mitchell on NBC that his comments were merely a "gaffe".
I call BULLSHIT!
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“I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.â€
:bird:
:bs:yeah wes, but apparently almost starting WWIII against the russians in serbia is... "kettle, this is pot, you're black over"
So whom is running for the DEFEAT-O-CRAT party, oh-bum-uh or Clark? What is oh-bum-uh's qualifications to be commander in chief.
Aside from the World War 3 deal, there is the quasi violation of the federal law which prohibits the military from getting involved in civil law enforcement during the Waco fiasco. I didn't know the FBI or ATF owned Bradley APCs or M-88 ARVs. I find it hard to believe that the Army would hand over the keys to either of those vehicles to the FBI or ATF without extensive [over a several month time period] training. Imagine the "hand receipt" for loaning those multi-million dollar vehicles! I have no doubt that active duty military personnel were operating those vehicles, which makes it a violation of federal law.
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Wes Clark went from an O-6 in '88 to a 4-star O-10 in '96, all by playing politics. He became a favorite of Clinton after Waco. He's a piece of shit. No matter HOW you look at it, no one can tell me what he did, without reservation, was collaborate in one of the greatest violations of the Posse Comitatus Act since the War between the states.
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Wesley Clark can kiss my lily white ass.........
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It seems that The BarackStar! has distanced himself from Clark's comments on McCain..
Color me surprised. ::)
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" That is not the Wesley Clark I know". - Barack Omabama.
I hate to say this because I like most people wanht to stay true to my word. I said I would never vote for McCain and some of the reasons why here and at the graveyard called CU. However in light of what that weasle SOB Clark has said about a fellow vet and the reasons why, I think that maybe there is at least one reason that John McCain could get my vote beyond all others.
To piss off Wesley Clark to no end
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" That is not the Wesley Clark I know". - Barack Omabama.
I hate to say this because I like most people wanht to stay true to my word. I said I would never vote for McCain and some of the reasons why here and at the graveyard called CU. However in light of what that weasle SOB Clark has said about a fellow vet and the reasons why, I think that maybe there is at least one reason that John McCain could get my vote beyond all others.
To piss off Wesley Clark to no end
I knew you would recant. :-*
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Barack Hussein Obama should have explicitly denounced the Wes Clark remarks, but he didn't.
Keep it up. Agree that attacking Juan's military record will do BIG damage, no matter how many false parallels democrats try to draw the Kerry and "swiftboating". Juan stayed AFTER they offered to release him because of his family's prominence.
" That is not the Wesley Clark I know". - Barack Omabama.
I hate to say this because I like most people wanht to stay true to my word. I said I would never vote for McCain and some of the reasons why here and at the graveyard called CU. However in light of what that weasle SOB Clark has said about a fellow vet and the reasons why, I think that maybe there is at least one reason that John McCain could get my vote beyond all others.
To piss off Wesley Clark to no end
Do it, do it, do it.
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Is there any "friend" or "supporter" who has said anything that Barack actually supported? While I'm appalled at Clark's comments (not surprised, of course), I'm also amazed at the Obamanation's complete lack of a backbone.
Sister Joan would say he has the "spine of a jellyfish."
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Is there any "friend" or "supporter" who has said anything that Barack actually supported? While I'm appalled at Clark's comments (not surprised, of course), I'm also amazed at the Obamanation's complete lack of a backbone.
Sister Joan would say he has the "spine of a jellyfish."
He's pulling a classic Clintonian stunt here. He's allowing his surrogates to make the attacks for him while appearing to remain "above it all" so when he's accused of smear politics he can claim he hasn't said a thing.
Like with his stupid "patriotism" speech yesterday. He says he won't question his opponents "patriotism"...but he's sure as hell not gonna stop people like Wes Clark from doing so for him.
I guarentee you Barakstar! knew what Clark was gonna say.
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Thisw is all so typical of a hack Cook County polican. New ton e? Sure sounds like the same "Johnny one note" to me.
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Is there any "friend" or "supporter" who has said anything that Barack actually supported? While I'm appalled at Clark's comments (not surprised, of course), I'm also amazed at the Obamanation's complete lack of a backbone.
Sister Joan would say he has the "spine of a jellyfish."
He's pulling a classic Clintonian stunt here. He's allowing his surrogates to make the attacks for him while appearing to remain "above it all" so when he's accused of smear politics he can claim he hasn't said a thing.
Like with his stupid "patriotism" speech yesterday. He says he won't question his opponents "patriotism"...but he's sure as hell not gonna stop people like Wes Clark from doing so for him.
I guarentee you Barakstar! knew what Clark was gonna say.
Exactly! This whole thing was orcestrated.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/01/more-on-the-odious-wesley-clark/
Wow.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/01/more-on-the-odious-wesley-clark/
Wow.
Let him get the Veep nod...I want to hear what Hugh Shelton has to say about Wes Clark that he's holding back on.
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Better yet. I have this to ask of General Ripper. Why was it ok for Tom Harkin to lie about his service in the Navy as a pilot and run for president,not get called on it by you and yet John McCain is unqualified to lead the United States?
I find your lack of faith, disturbing .
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Better yet. I have this to ask of General Ripper. Why was it ok for Tom Harkin to lie about his service in the Navy as a pilot and run for president,not get called on it by you and yet John McCain is unqualified to lead the United States?
I find your lack of faith, disturbing .
Lack of faith? I find his lack of judgment, his lack of integrity, and his utter contempt for anyone not liberal disturbing.
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Clark was just doing what Barack Hussein Obama told him to do, now Jim Webb and others are getting in on the act.
Wes Clark pulled rank on John Effin' Kerry four years ago for just being a junior officer, then a few months later, turned around and gave this speech at the DNC in Boston:
http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/01/wes-clarks-2004-democratic-convention-speech/
A REALLY stupid move on the Democrat's part IMO, and I hopw Clark does run with BHO - a unity of incompetents.
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You would think it would be simple, but I forget that the concepts of Duty, Honor & Country are dirty words to the left/press. None who have served, well none with more than 4 months in the motor pool, wonder what John McCain proved to us. We know that a man who would refuse to be released ahead of others and allow the enemy a propaganda victory definitely understands and stays true to those three pillars. The clowns on the left toss out the straw man that he learned nothing about foreign policy there. Well I disagree, he learned at least one thing. Our enemies are evil, ruthless bastards and they do not play by the same rules. Barack Obama believes America is evil and ruthless and needs the cleansing only he can lightwork.
Let's compare the two:
John McCain was so loyal to the men he was imprisoned with he endured torture on their behalf.
Barack Obama associates with those who can help his career, and throws them right under the bus when they become inconvenient to his aspirations.
That single issue of character matters more than all the others combined. You can trust John McCain. You can trust Barack Obama to use you as a stepping stone. The banty Clark fails to understand this in any way as he is a man of much mmore ambition than character himself. Let us not forgot this man's judgment was bad enough he ordered a British General to attack Russian troops who were on their first mission as our purported allies. Clark's unwarranted ego almost caused WWIII. Yet his voice sounds right off key with the rest of Obama''s clueless chorus.
Obama is a feather blowing in the political breeze. McCain is a rock. Vote Maverick.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/why-mccains-cap.html
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Sorry, I'm like a hound dog on a pork chop with this one :-)
Webb is full of sh*t!
http://thenextright.com/jon-henke/jim-webb-wes-clark-and-john-mccains-military-service
Just scroll down and read Webb's b.s.
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Sorry, I'm like a hound dog on a pork chop with this one :-)
Webb is full of sh*t!
http://thenextright.com/jon-henke/jim-webb-wes-clark-and-john-mccains-military-service
Just scroll down and read Webb's b.s.
Have you ever met a liberal who wasn't full of sh**? :cheersmate:
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I sent this to Rush via E-mail today.
Dear Rush:
After hearing Wesley Clark disparage John McCain for being a Navy Pilot and saying he had no qualifications to lead this country based on what he called lack of executive experience I would like to know just what it was then that made it possible for Tom Harkin to run for President of the United States and his sole military experience was that of a Navy Pilot that just moved airplanes from Japan to the Philippines? Tom Harkins war record.....oops excuse me lack of a war record should have precluded him from running for office if Wesley Clark is to be a judge of anything. Tom Harkins military record in fact as a pilot in the navy shows that he was given one award for his service. A National Defense Service Ribbon . Compare that to the awards that John McCain was given plus his continued service ,it makes Tom Harkin look pretty stupid for having run for President then.
I don't care for a lot of John McCain's past doings but, when it comes to seeing Wesley Clark trying to drum up support once again for someone that would be a abysmal failure as a President ,his hypocrisy should be pointed out. Where was Ge, Clarks voice when Sen. Harkin ran for office? How is it that tom Harkin is more qualified to run then John McCain? We both know why, its because Tom Harkin is a Democrat and John McCain is running as a Republican.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/01/more-on-the-odious-wesley-clark/
Wow.
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I attached the link as a favorite to read at my leisure.
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Better yet. I have this to ask of General Ripper. Why was it ok for Tom Harkin to lie about his service in the Navy as a pilot and run for president,not get called on it by you and yet John McCain is unqualified to lead the United States?
I find your lack of faith, disturbing .
Lack of faith? I find his lack of judgment, his lack of integrity, and his utter contempt for anyone not liberal disturbing.
My bad. I should have put a picture of Darth Vader in with that quote. He says that line while trying to strangle one of Gov. Tarkins admirals
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I am waiting to see the latest polls after Clark made a fool out of himself. Obama's plan did not work, and he will damn sure will not pick him as his VP. Look for more screw ups by this amateurish negro.
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In the bad old days wasn't he a mulatto?
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He's an American. A very Socialistic, bordering on Communistic American.
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In the bad old days wasn't he a mulatto?
True DAT! That is not politically correct; same thing with an illegitimate child. Bastard is a no, no now.