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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Dori on January 24, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
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Arcanetrance (2,165 posts)
Where did this whole democratic party = communist come from on the right
I'm debating someone who swears up and down that's the truth even after I pulled up the website of the United States communist party and showed him the difference right in their stated goals compared to what's the current democratic party. I mean where the hell did this idea on the right come from
1000words (1,282 posts)
1. Lack of education?
IDemo (13,006 posts)
2. Binary thinking
Good/evil, heaven/hell, black/white. You're either a white evangelical Reagan republican or a Marxist. There are no gray areas in their thinking, or very few.
el_bryanto (5,858 posts)
3. Mostly the red scare of the 1950s, Nixon and McCarthy
The Republicans hadn't had the white house in some 20 years, they felt sidelined in their own country. When they saw an opportunity to paint the Democrats as Commies, they seized it.
I think it's mutated since then - you throw in the crazy paranoia of J. Edger Hoover for example, and Alger Hiss, and others, and the fact that there really were some commies in the government (although they blew it out of proportion), then the John Birch society, normal American Xenophobia, the fear of blacks and cities, and it all becomes a toxic stew.
I don't think most republicans are calling us communist with any understanding of the term - they mostly just mean "not American."
Bryant
Arcanetrance (2,165 posts)
6. That's another thing who are they to decide who is a American
blkmusclmachine (7,172 posts)
4. Faux Nooz
nadinbrzezinski (129,151 posts)
13. It started back in the pleistoscene
when them reds became a problem. It precedes the modern parties to be honest, as it goes back to the 1830s, and it also precedes Marx and a few others.
To think that the first red scare was a democratic pursuit... anyhow to answer your question.
In it's modern form it got hardened with the New Deal.
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Or, it could be something as simple as your own words and deeds, DUmbass...
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I dunno,all the hammer and sickle,raised clenched fist,Che and Marx AVs so many of you DUmbasses have might mean something.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
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Here's some of the stated goals of the CPUSA from the 1950's. Let's count how many the Democrats have adopted, and liberals/progressives in particular.
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.â€
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.â€
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship†and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.â€
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social†religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.â€
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principal of “separation of church and state.â€
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.â€
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.†Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck democrat communist.
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they are in such denial. Clinically psychotic denial.
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Let's count how many the Democrats have adopted, and liberals/progressives in particular.
I'd say nearly all.
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What could ever give us that idea? :???:
http://www.socialistamerican.com/phpbb/index.php
The tavernturd primitive wasn't banned over there due to his politics, he was banned for other things.
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The tavernturd primitive wasn't banned over there due to his politics, he was banned for other things.
Completely agree. There's a whole group over there, and always has been, that are "Yes, we agree with you, but you can't be saying those types of things in public." No doubt Tavs was targeted by those members who find it to be their duty to police deviations from the official party line, and that was part of why he was sent out to pasture.
This is the main reason I (and others, though it might not be *their* main reason) wish the primitives would ignore us observing them, because they deviate from being as honest about their beliefs as they would like to be. We are more honest about what they believe than they're willing to be publicly. I've lost count of how many times I've read their lines knowing they were saying what they had to state publicly rather than what they truly believed.
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Would anybody care to post a screenshot of when the CPUSA endorsing Obumbles in 2008, and again in 2012?
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Would anybody care to post a screenshot of when the CPUSA endorsing Obumbles in 2008, and again in 2012?
CPUSA Says Re-electing Obama is “Absolutely Essential†(http://www.aim.org/aim-column/cpusa-says-re-electing-obama-is-absolutely-essential/)
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What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they read their own site?
I'm glad the label is sticking.
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What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they read their own site?
I'm glad the label is sticking.
They live in such a world of delusion it is hard to guess what is real to them.
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I haven't done this in a few years, but I used to look at the platforms for the major parties, and the most popular third parties during election years. Every time I looked at the communist, socialist, Green Party and every other moonbat platform they were damn near a perfect match for the democrat party platform. So where could I possibly get the idea they are commies? Must be faux snooze and Rush lying to me right! No DUmmies my own eyes reading the words of admitted commies gives me that idea. You are nothing but a bunch if communist freaks and need to be defeated until you only exist in the dustbin of history.
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Response to Arcanetrance (Original post)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:47 AM
Star Member Starry Messenger (23,146 posts)
23. Birchers is the short answer.
Now the right thinks anyone to the left of Ted Cruz is a Red. It's like a cult.
An interesting question to think about is why it ultimately matters to them? What do they think it means if they "prove" liberals are secretly Communists? (Disclaimer: I actually am a Communist, but I ask these questions too.)
Why oh why do they think we're Communists?
Response to Arcanetrance (Original post)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:40 AM
Star Member Rex (41,270 posts)
37. A lack of a formal education will do that.
The GOP is chock full of people that didn't finish HS and never even considered college.
You don't know your enemy very well, do you? Fatal flaw.
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The GOP is chock full of people that didn't finish HS and never even considered college.
Explain how it was that Romney won the college graduate vote then, DUmbass.
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Explain how it was that Romney won the college graduate vote then, DUmbass.
To this I would also add that Obumbles carried 63% of the high school dropout vote. Explain that statistic, while you're at it.
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Explain how it was that Romney won the college graduate vote then, DUmbass.
I think you have to specify which college. The muslim carried 95%+ at some of them.
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I think you have to specify which college. The muslim carried 95%+ at some of them.
True. I am sure he locked up the South American Slavery and 19th Century Brazilian bloc of college graduates.
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I a way the DUchebags are right. The American left should be called Stalinists. That is a particularly bad branch of the poisonous communism tree. The current democrat leadership would be more appropriately be put under the other far left government, fascism.
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Collectivists, all of them.
"We're all in this together, so fork over some of yours".
Discussing whether they're socialists, communists, stalinist, marxists, democrats, <insert random collectivist rebranding distraction label here>, is like arguing what to call the same ice cream with different brand toppings of essentially the same flavor.
They know what they are, and we know what they are. It sounds to me like the DUmmies don't like how this particular shoe fits.
CMD
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Here's some of the stated goals of the CPUSA from the 1950's. Let's count how many the Democrats have adopted, and liberals/progressives in particular.
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
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45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
I went through the list. I'll be damned if there is not one...ONE!...item that the current Democrat party doesn't agree with, at least in part. Indeed, one can argue the current Democratic Party is MORE communist than the Communist party of the '50's, particularly with the addition of the environmentalist movement.
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Dummy Wonders Why They Are Called Communists.... ...you've murdered 55 million, that puts you right up there with the great communist, Stalin, Mao...no pikers like Pol Pot and Castro.
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Dummies are so blind. They are making fun of a comedian's song about there being a communist in the White House. :whatever:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024514969
Archae (28,878 posts)
Just when you think Victoria Jackson can't get any more stupid...
She sets a new record.
Painfully Stupid Victoria Jackson: Communist Party Helping Obama and Democrats in 2014 Elections
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/painfully-stupid-victoria-jackson
Agnosticsherbet (2,565 posts)
2. Actually, I would never think that.
Stupid is a singularity into which all vestiges of intelligent thought collapse. Accusations of communism and socialism are right wing dog whistles.
JHB (19,213 posts)
4. If you can't tell spending on physical and social infrastructure from mass-murdering police states..
edbermac (11,552 posts)
10. I am totally convinced she is a liberal Democrat who voted 2x for Obama.
Don't you get it? It's a stunt, like something Andy Kaufman would pull.
She pretends to be a teabagger to make them look like cementheaded Neanderthals and siphon off votes from people who are turned off by this loony rhetoric.
She's BRILLIANT!! Really, after watching that video do you think anybody is that TOTALLY STOOPID?
Let's hear it for our secret Democratic mole!
You think Victoria is a Democratic mole? Now whose stupid?
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What's the matter, arcanetrance? Communists too far to the right to suit you?
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1000words (1,282 posts)
1. Lack of education?
Not us. Actually, a debilitating lack of self-awareness and a refusal to draw lessons from history, on your part.
Like this gem:
el_bryanto (5,858 posts)
3. Mostly the red scare of the 1950s, Nixon and McCarthy
..And both were proven correct by Soviet archives, nimrod. If anything, McCarthy understated the depth and breadth of Soviet penetration into this government.
Or, current events:
Archae (28,878 posts)
Just when you think Victoria Jackson can't get any more stupid...
She sets a new record.
Painfully Stupid Victoria Jackson: Communist Party Helping Obama and Democrats in 2014 Elections
It's from a published statement of support. Sometimes called "documented", idiot. Who's stupid?
B (19,213 posts)
4. If you can't tell spending on physical and social infrastructure from mass-murdering police states..
That's why you can't have my weapons, but you're more than welcome to try. I wouldn't talk about Police States, if I were you.
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I know trying to find a kernel of reason in a gNads post is like trying to clean the Augean stables with a spoon, but I have to ask:
nadinbrzezinski (129,151 posts)
13. It started back in the pleistoscene
when them reds became a problem. It precedes the modern parties to be honest, as it goes back to the 1830s, and it also precedes Marx and a few others.
To think that the first red scare was a democratic pursuit... anyhow to answer your question.
In it's modern form it got hardened with the New Deal.
Is she saying that Democrats have been communists since before Marx invented communism?
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I know trying to find a kernel of reason in a gNads post is like trying to clean the Augean stables with a spoon, but I have to ask:
Is she saying that Democrats have been communists since before Marx invented communism?
She said it's been going on since the glacial period.
And she misspelled Pleistocene.
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I haven't done this in a few years, but I used to look at the platforms for the major parties, and the most popular third parties during election years. Every time I looked at the communist, socialist, Green Party and every other moonbat platform they were damn near a perfect match for the democrat party platform. So where could I possibly get the idea they are commies? Must be faux snooze and Rush lying to me right! No DUmmies my own eyes reading the words of admitted commies gives me that idea. You are nothing but a bunch if communist freaks and need to be defeated until you only exist in the dustbin of history.
You are exactly correct, Freep. If the dummies had a brain, which they do not, they would look at the dem platform and the commie platform and realize that they are pretty close. The enviro-nazis are even worse. Funny how the lib politicians have to lie to get elected... and the MSM covers for them. The thing that I just do not understand is if the libs get the government they are jonesing for, they will all end up dead or in a work camp. It has happened before in history and if they are successful here, it will happen again.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
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And she misspelled Pleistocene.
And "its".
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(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/542/00xm.jpg)
Gee. I have no idea why y'all are called commies... :whistling:
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el_bryanto (5,858 posts)
3. Mostly the red scare of the 1950s, Nixon and McCarthy
It wasn't a scare. It was the truth.
Nixon nailed Alger Hiss for what he was and the Dems extracted their revenge in the form of Watergate.
McCarthy was on the right track and history has proven him to be right.
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One reason would be that you idiots on the Island have admitted and proudly thumped your chests about being a commie on numerous occasions.
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I know! Can't they see that? They've even had polls gauging how left they are. One of the choices was "Hell, I'm a Communist!" DUmmies, read your own damn site. Starry Messenger, TBF, Socialist_in_TN, they're all there. They're crawling all over Salon and Slate, too.
Hey Mr. Mannn, please save that pic in a safe place for future reference.
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Nothing surprising. I lurk on another forum and they call themselves moderate, independent, and centrist also. However all it takes is looking at a few posts to see that they are hard core leftist.
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It is funny,all the time they go on about having compassion for the poor and sick (remarkable coincidence that those always apply to them) but the truth be told is they would not have to be herded to the ditch they will be buried alive in as malcontents...they would willingly follow Dear Leader there in an instant.
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It is funny,all the time they go on about having compassion for the poor and sick (remarkable coincidence that those always apply to them) but the truth be told is they would not have to be herded to the ditch they will be buried alive in as malcontents...they would willingly follow Dear Leader there in an instant.
They're stupid enough to think they'll be among the ones doing the herding. In reality, the best case for them would be that the Stalinists would dispose of active enemies first, before getting around to eliminating the useless eaters, career whiners, and demanding deadwood.
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It wasn't a scare. It was the truth.
Nixon nailed Alger Hiss for what he was and the Dems extracted their revenge in the form of Watergate.
McCarthy was on the right track and history has proven him to be right.
Ann Coulter wrote a book on the subject. If you haven't read it, I am confident you would enjoy it immensely.
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Ann Coulter wrote a book on the subject. If you haven't read it, I am confident you would enjoy it immensely.
Was that "Treason"?
She also recommended a book "Blacklisted by History".
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, American socialist and presidential candidate
Thousands of miles away in Chicago, another younger comrade is running for a similar position. The organization pushing his election, the IPO (Independent Political Organization) shares many of our values and has many of our members (and ex-members) among its ranks. It is a leadership development body for future candidates like our comrade, whose affiliations with the Communist Party are well-known throughout the city even though he is running as a Democrat.
We could argue that his election would be a huge value-added for the visibility and viability of the Communist Party in Chicago and the Midwest. Further, having more comrades in decision-making roles under the Democratic Party opens the door to increasing our effectiveness and influences within that party.
http://www.cpusa.org/convention-discussion-a-time-to-grow/
Communist party and democrat party, pretty much interchangeable.
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Communist party and democrat party, pretty much interchangeable.
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Communist goal #15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
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They're stupid enough to think they'll be among the ones doing the herding. In reality, the best case for them would be that the Stalinists would dispose of active enemies first, before getting around to eliminating the useless eaters, career whiners, and demanding deadwood.
That's pretty much how it works. The government takes total control, then the leftists freak when it isn't the utopia they thought it would be. They complain like usual, thinking things are still the same and that is how they get lined up against the wall.
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That's pretty much how it works. The government takes total control, then they leftists freak when it isn't the utopia they thought it would be. They complain like usual, thinking things are still the same and that is how they get lined up against the wall.
It has never changed in almost a century.
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Was that "Treason"?
She also recommended a book "Blacklisted by History".
Yes, it was "Treason"...
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-best-quotes-from-ann-coulters-treason-2/ (http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-best-quotes-from-ann-coulters-treason-2/)