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Title: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: franksolich on January 22, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024371115

Oh my.

I suspect the redqueen primitive wants to get into Atman's pants.

<<<doesn't need to be Sigmund Freud to figure that out.

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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:54 AM

I'm not generally in favor of "banning" stuff, but maybe Carl's Jr. went a bit too far (maybe NSFW)

This ad was supposedly Carl's Jr. entry into the Super Bowl ad blitz. It sure is something to look at, but the tv people banned it for being too "hot." I think "hot" was the point. Maybe a little selective editing would tone it down a bit, but it does seem a bit overly sexual for selling a stupid panty melt. Er, patty melt.

after which a youtube thingamajig

Lots and lots of primitive comments, but never mind that, until:

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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:37 PM

45. What an excellent display of male privilege.

You get to sit there and be entertained by the image of an objectified woman. A woman turned into a sex object to hawk burgers.
 
You get to have a laugh at your wife's negative reaction to your enjoying the displaying of caricaturized sexuality.
 
You get to chuckle at your own kids being conditioned. A daughter learns how acceptable it is that women's bodies and sexuality are caricatured and commodified. I'm sure that's a pleasant lesson. A son learns that this is just one manifestation of the many forms of male privilege that he inherits and can enjoy, if he wants.
 
Yes, let's all have a good chuckle at how amusing the issues of sexual objectification, dehumanization, indoctrination, and male privilege are.
 
Certainly wouldn't expect this to be taken seriously here. Oh, no.

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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:16 AM

16. The fact that people enjoy this objectifying bullshit makes me sick.

The fact that some are comfortable sharing their appreciation for it on DU is both disappointing and revealing.

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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:30 PM

43. Yep, women make up the majority of health conscious shoppers.

There's an ad with a guy similar to this too. Not a sexy guy depicting a cartoon version of male sexuality, but an average looking guy, talking sexy to a burger in some Wendy's ads.
 
Are there any ads with hot-n-sexxxy, speedo-clad men writhing around?

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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:42 PM

46. "Are there any ads with hot-n-sexxxy, speedo-clad men writhing around?" Why, yes, actually...

after which another one of those irritating youtube thingamajigs

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redqueen (104,994 posts)   Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:51 PM

48. A 20+ year old SNL skit?

The best parody ad ever, but you don't see real commercials like that. There are a few cutesy commercials using men now which are nowhere near as bad as the ad in the OP, and even in this skit, the men are not writhing around.
 
Your having to go back over two decades, to a parody of reality, to use it as an example only reinforces how bad things are.

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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:01 PM

50. It was a joke!

Good grief. The funny thing is, you can find several ads on YouTube featuring "sexy men" (but wait, I thought that was objectifying?), but when you have beautiful men "writhing around," they simply look gay, and that doesn't do much for the advertiser unless they're looking to attract other gay males. I think Carl's Jr. is well aware that no woman (at not one trying to maintain a certain level of fitness) is going to touch that massive greaseburger. Something tells me this ad was not geared towards women, though.

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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:26 PM

58. I don't consider objectification to be a joking matter.

I could go through your post and describe how these things should make us question this kind of depiction of women and women's sexuality. I just don't have the energy.
 
I'll just share these for anyone who actually cares about this issue.

after which a couple more of those damned youtube thingamajigs

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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:40 PM

59. But you asked why there weren't ads of sexy men!

It would be okay to use sexy men? As I said, I found several such ads...selling men's underwear to apparently gay men. Or men's cologne, to apparently gay men. Then you have the Gevalia coffee ads with women swooning over a man's coffee, and of course the old Fabio fake-butter (man-butter?) ads.
 
Not every woman featured in an ad is Photoshopped to hell. Although these days, Photoshop is so easy (and cheap) that it is something most advertisers have taken to. I used to shoot catalogs and ads for a major women's clothing chain, and the models we used would never be caught dead wearing the "ready-to-wear" crap we sold at malls across the country. And we never re-touched photos, other than color corrections or minor blemish removals done by the printer. And the models still looked great.
 
If you wanted to, you could make the argument that when Walmart started using their "real employees" in sales flyers, this was the ultimate in objectification. Here they used "normal" people -- not ideal weight, no super-model looks -- to tell everyone else it was okay to look "normal," which is fine. But Walmart's REAL motivation was to avoid paying real models, and further line the Walton's pockets. And put another segment of the population out of work. Models are very expensive. So Walmart used its employees virtually for free, who were thrilled to see themselves in print with their name and store # listed. THAT is objectification and exploitation.

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redqueen (104,994 posts)   Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:51 PM

60. You clearly don't care about objectification.

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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:57 PM

61. Clearly. Only YOU do. Everyone else is wrong.

Even though my post was saying just the opposite.

We've all been down this road with you before.

Buh-buh. I'm going out for a burger.

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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:03 PM

64. You don't even know what the word means, FFS.

You're minimizing it by comparing it to ****ing Walmart ads and comedy skits.

I said before that there are a handful of examples of commercials featuring sexy men. That you have to ask about whether men can be objectified shows you've done zero reading about the issue.
 
It's great that you don't give a shit and all, but why advertise it by posting this old ad and basically mocking this serious feminist issue?

Sourass, the redqueen primitive.  No sense of humor.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Dori on January 22, 2014, 08:11:10 PM
I wonder if he's the one that posted a pic last week of a naked woman, down on all fours, saddled up like a horse, wearing a cowboy hat.

Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Carl on January 22, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
I wonder if the PMSqueen realizes that the portrayal of males in media is largely due to the feminist desire to rewrite life by making all men oafish dolts.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 22, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
I think Redqueen is suffering from DBS....("Dead Batteries Syndrome").
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on January 22, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:37 PM

45. What an excellent display of male privilege.

You should be thrown into a ditch and beaten with a mattock.  For hours.  Now, what if the ad showed gays?  Hmmmm?  

Sorry, trick question.  You should still be thrown in a ditch and brutalized with sharp farm implements.

I think Redqueen is suffering from DBS....("Dead Batteries Syndrome").
:rotf: :hi5:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Chris_ on January 22, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
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Atman (27,165 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:54 AM

I'm not generally in favor of "banning" stuff, but maybe Carl's Jr. went a bit too far (maybe NSFW)
Oh my.

What a failure.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Chris_ on January 22, 2014, 08:27:42 PM
I think Redqueen is suffering from DBS....("Dead Batteries Syndrome").
She needs to upgrade to the plug-in model that :jugs: uses.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Chris_ on January 22, 2014, 08:31:39 PM
I wonder if the PMSqueen realizes that the portrayal of males in media is largely due to the feminist desire to rewrite life by making all men oafish dolts.
I doubt it registers with her at all.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 22, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Do we have a mug shot of this crazy lezbo redqueen?

My guess is she makes our friend Jugs look like a Playboy centerfold.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Celtic Rose on January 22, 2014, 09:05:57 PM
Clearly we need more ads objectifying men to help balance out this injustice.   :yahoo: :yahoo:

Here is one to start us off

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O38gal-taZo[/youtube]
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Chris_ on January 22, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Clearly we need more ads objectifying men to help balance out this injustice.   :yahoo: :yahoo:

Here is one to start us off
Hi-5 for equality.

I'm not watching it, but you can knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 22, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
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redqueen (104,994 posts)   Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:51 PM

60. You clearly don't care about objectification.

Bingo!  Now trot your ass back in the kitchen, finish those sandwiches, and bring us some cold beers, firecrotch.

 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Skul on January 22, 2014, 10:59:59 PM
....and don't forget to open those beers after you fetch them.  :rant:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Rebel on January 23, 2014, 08:19:55 AM
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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:37 PM

45. What an excellent display of male privilege.

You get to sit there and be entertained by the image of an objectified woman. A woman turned into a sex object to hawk burgers.
 
You get to have a laugh at your wife's negative reaction to your enjoying the displaying of caricaturized sexuality.
 
You get to chuckle at your own kids being conditioned. A daughter learns how acceptable it is that women's bodies and sexuality are caricatured and commodified. I'm sure that's a pleasant lesson. A son learns that this is just one manifestation of the many forms of male privilege that he inherits and can enjoy, if he wants.
 
Yes, let's all have a good chuckle at how amusing the issues of sexual objectification, dehumanization, indoctrination, and male privilege are.
 
Certainly wouldn't expect this to be taken seriously here. Oh, no.

You know who thinks this way? Butt-ugly women. The ones that it would never happen to. The ones that'll never be "objectified". It's not so much the objectification that bothers them; it's that they're not the objects of desire. This hits right to the core of the self esteem of the toads.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Wineslob on January 23, 2014, 09:02:43 AM
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I'm not watching it, but you can knock yourself out.


If :jugs: went jogging, probably.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: wasp69 on January 23, 2014, 10:21:18 AM
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redqueen (104,994 posts)    Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:37 PM

45. What an excellent display of male privilege.

You get to sit there and be entertained by the image of an objectified woman.

You're a bit too plain and homely to ever worry about being "objectified", princess.  However, your self righteous howling has brought to mind another bunch of butt-ugly, nagging, busy body twits that nobody would ever want to see without a burqua:

(http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/hooters-protest.jpg)
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 23, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
Do we have a mug shot of this crazy lezbo redqueen?

My guess is she makes our friend Jugs look like a Playboy centerfold.

I believe she used to use a thumbnail portrait for her avatar, actually not ancient, fat, or bad-looking in general...except for the severe, humorless look permanently frozen onto her mug.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: obumazombie on January 23, 2014, 10:32:43 AM
Where is bane when redqueen needs her ?
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: wasp69 on January 23, 2014, 10:32:48 AM
Do we have a mug shot of this crazy lezbo redqueen?

There is one floating around somewhere.

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My guess is she makes our friend Jugs look like a Playboy centerfold.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Bad Dog on January 23, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
She needs to upgrade to the plug-in model that :jugs: uses.

Sorry, late to the thread.  Actually Jugs just became the proud owner of the new Kawasaki 98cc model. 
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Dori on January 23, 2014, 11:01:08 AM
 :rofl:

This auto ad is on the top of my viewing page


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Why Men Pull Away

catchhimandkeephim.com

10 Ugly Mistakes Women Make That Ruins Any Chances Of A Relationship

Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Rebel on January 23, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
Why are they wanting to take Kate Upton's "choice" and freedom to decide how she wants to make money away?
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: wasp69 on January 23, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
:rofl:

This auto ad is on the top of my viewing page

Makes one wonder how many of those 10 wickets PhDDs would hit...
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: jukin on January 23, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
Sorry, late to the thread.  Actually Jugs just became the proud owner of the new Kawasaki 98cc model. 

Two stroke I assume.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Gina on January 23, 2014, 09:55:09 PM
I shudder to think what redqueen looks like.  She is a stick in the mud.  No hidden meaning there.  :naughty:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Chris_ on January 23, 2014, 09:57:20 PM
I shudder to think what redqueen looks like.  She is a stick in the mud.  No hidden meaning there.  :naughty:
I figure she looks like LFR or Pam Dawson with the crazy Alice in Wonderland red hair.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: RobJohnson on January 24, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
One more reason to eat there:

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Bluenorthwest (29,179 posts)

1. I've boycotted Carl's for decades, always will. Kartcher was an anti choice

crusader who was also highly homophobic. He was a local issue growing up. No one I knew would eat there.


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Star Member Pretzel_Warrior (6,486 posts)

63. I ate there just the other night with my wife and son. He likes stars

so that was a high point of his day--pointing out all of the star shapes in Carls Jr.

I literally do not have the energy to put every little shopping decision through a matrix of acceptability based on what the owner said or did at some point


Some great DUmmie arguments going on in the thread.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: RobJohnson on January 24, 2014, 01:44:12 AM
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earthside (4,894 posts)

6. After watching this ad about ten times ...
... I have concluded that it is 'too hot' for general audiences.

And ... I'm still not clear on what kind of sandwich she's eating; I guess i'll have to watch it again.


 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: diesel driver on January 24, 2014, 04:11:08 AM
She needs to upgrade to the plug-in model that :jugs: uses.

She needs the 240 volt industrial grade model, not the 120 volt one.

3 phase, even!   :lol:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 24, 2014, 04:27:04 AM
She needs the 240 volt industrial grade model, not the 120 volt one.

3 phase, even!   :lol:

With its own megawatt-generating windmill as a power source!
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 24, 2014, 05:06:35 AM
With its own megawatt-generating windmill as a power source!
Wouldn't want her to have a power failure right in the middle of something.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 24, 2014, 05:27:08 AM
Wouldn't want her to have a power failure right in the middle of something.

Geez, do we have to add solar now, as well? :rant: :whatever: :tongue:
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: DefiantSix on January 24, 2014, 10:29:16 AM
With its own megawatt-generating windmill as a power source!

Why does :jugs: :yahoo: hate the widdle birdies (and the not so little birdies) so much?

(http://www.robertotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Bald_Eagle_strike_Robert_OToole_Photography_2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: obumazombie on January 24, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Wouldn't want her to have a power failure right in the middle of something.
Solyndra power backup.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Wineslob on January 24, 2014, 12:23:27 PM
I will proudly stand at full attention in support of Miss Upton's ummmmmm...............right to eat burger.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 24, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
I will proudly stand at full attention in support of Miss Upton's ummmmmm...............right to eat burger.
Muff Burgers??????
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Wineslob on January 24, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Muff Burgers??????

Donno, I'll have to ask her.


 :-)
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: Reality vs DU on January 25, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
Muff Burgers??????

Is there even such a thing anymore? Now they're all skin burgers.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 25, 2014, 12:55:47 PM
Is there even such a thing anymore? Now they're all skin burgers.
I guess when you order you have to stipulate whether you want it plain or with everything on it.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: J P Sousa on January 25, 2014, 05:26:46 PM


Been away for awhile, missed the educational aspect of the cave;


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXrgVVg0y0[/youtube]

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Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: redwhit on January 25, 2014, 08:09:54 PM

Been away for awhile, missed the educational aspect of the cave;


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXrgVVg0y0[/youtube]

.

I don't get it - why make an ad for something that nobody's going to remember after watching it?  I watched 3 times and still don't know what the hell they're selling.

Maybe it'll be clear this time.
Title: Re: Atman riles up the women's-libbers again
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 26, 2014, 03:42:15 AM

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXrgVVg0y0[/youtube]

BOY! That brings back teenage memories of being at the drive-in on a Saturday night. :-) :naughty: :-)

Yes, I always parked on the back row.