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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: The Abolitionist on January 03, 2014, 09:10:50 AM
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The downward spiral of the United States has been widely discussed and written about for many years. Liberalism has undoubtedly been the cause with it's seemingly endless list of anti-American activism, from climate change to the homosexual agenda. As we watch Detroit go from a great industrial city to a bombed out cesspool we can't help but wonder if that is the fate of our nation now that we have a homosexual communist wannabe dictator in the Oval Office and very few representatives in government that are willing to stand up to him for fear of being called 'racist'.
So, with the long list if liberal ills that have seen the country 'Slouch Towards Gomorrah' (RIP Robert Bork), which would you put on top of the list, the one thing that you think has led towards the opening of the pandora's box?
My pick is abortion. The left has almost successfully reframed the debate by suggesting that people that demand that the killing of approximately 1,000,000 innocent babies each year is, in their terms, a "war on women". When a country can stand by when over 30 million babies have been slaughtered since Roe -v- Wade then it is certainly willing to let all other forms of deviant behavior to occur.
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You're wrong.
It was the "death" of God and the Devil no longer existing. Once that happened, and the libs proclaimed themselves as their own highest power, it was all downhill from there.
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
^That
H5
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You're wrong.
It was the "death" of God and the Devil no longer existing. Once that happened, and the libs proclaimed themselves as their own highest power, it was all downhill from there.
That's a good answer but abortion still tops my list because when you're willing to stand by while millions of humans are killed in the most grotesque ways then you are open to anything else including that God doesn't exist.
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That's a good answer but abortion still tops my list because when you're willing to stand by while millions of humans are killed in the most grotesque ways then you are open to anything else including that God doesn't exist.
Abortion is a symptom and not the cause.
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Abolitionist has obviously never read "The Way Things Ought To Be".
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That's a good answer but abortion still tops my list because when you're willing to stand by while millions of humans are killed in the most grotesque ways then you are open to anything else including that God doesn't exist.
Without what I mentioned, sanctioned abortion would not have existed.
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Without what I mentioned, sanctioned abortion would not have existed.
Exactly
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
Unnatural as it may be to give you one, a H5 for that.
:-)
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
Agreed 100%
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Abortion is a symptom and not the cause.
One could say that about any of these as well:
1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
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One could say that about any of these as well:
1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
Um... No. You couldn't.
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The devaluing of ethics and lowering the bar on acceptable moral standards.
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The devaluing of ethics and lowering the bar on acceptable moral standards.
That might be covered in Dutch's #3.
And I certainly agree that abortion is certainly a symptom of what ails this country, not a cause.
What does it take to value life, particularly a life that is completely defenseless? A certain ethos borne of strong compassion and sense of right versus wrong. A desire to protect that which cannot protect itself. A sense of community, of getting involved, of being of assistance to others where and when needed.
We have lost much of this. Behaviors that were once unthinkable (faggots getting married during a parade; NAMBLA; same-sex "marriages") are now calmly accepted by much -- thankfully not all -- of our country. In our rush to become more "Europeanized" we trounce all over what used to be called "traditional American values" that are now called "racist," "regressive," and even "evil."
No, I firmly believe that the Progressive movement of the early part of the last century and the evils that emanated from it caused a long, slow, slippery slide down into a shadow of what this country used to stand for.
And finds difficulty in standing for it again.
This is what our country accepts these days. And it's a ****ing tragedy.
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Um... No. You couldn't.
Yes you could.
The disease is the downfall of the American way; the fall of a nation. The symptoms of this fatal disease are destruction of the family unit, crummy public education, an entitlement class, expanding nanny state, border jumpers, abortion, homosexuality, etc, etc, etc.
We can try to save the patient by treating all the symptoms: overturn Roe -v- Wade, reduce the size of the federal government, lockdown the border with Mexico, strengthen the family unit, etc., but the outcome doesn't look good. Think of this as a root cause exercise.
Now, to get back on track, I have to rethink what the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause' of the downfall is. Perhaps the abandonment of Judeo-Christianity would be the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause', making it easy for all the other symptoms to manifest themselves. A strong Christian nation wouldn't allow abortion (much less partial birth abortion), faggots getting married and raising children, widespread drug use, adultery, worshipping false gods (such as 0bama), etc.
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Yes you could.
The disease is the downfall of the American way; the fall of a nation. The symptoms of this fatal disease are destruction of the family unit, crummy public education, an entitlement class, expanding nanny state, border jumpers, abortion, homosexuality, etc, etc, etc.
We can try to save the patient by treating all the symptoms: overturn Roe -v- Wade, reduce the size of the federal government, lockdown the border with Mexico, strengthen the family unit, etc., but the outcome doesn't look good. Think of this as a root cause exercise.
Now, to get back on track, I have to rethink what the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause' of the downfall is. Perhaps the abandonment of Judeo-Christianity would be the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause', making it easy for all the other symptoms to manifest themselves. A strong Christian nation wouldn't allow abortion (much less partial birth abortion), faggots getting married and raising children, widespread drug use, adultery, worshipping false gods (such as 0bama), etc.
Just one element in your thinking begs a review.
The Judeo-Christian element upon which our country was founded recognizes the frailty and fallibility of man. Therefore, the practices that you outlined above are not the result of "abandoning" the JC element, rather exist in spite of it.
Evil exists in this world and the corresponding weakness of man right along with it.
You can't address evil and weakness without first acknowledging the behaviors that represent that evil. What we've managed to do is downplay or ignore those evils under the guise and pseudo-intellectual "enlightenment" philosophies.
A woman's "choice" to end a pregnancy for other than medically-necessary (for the life of the expectant mother, for example) reasons is inherently selfish and self-serving. Some might call that practice the ultimate evil. No matter what label you put on the behavior, it's still a characteristic of humankind to be self-serving.
We've grown accustomed to sacrificing others for the sake of ourselves.
That's weak and immoral.
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The devaluing of ethics and lowering the bar on acceptable moral standards.
"America is like a healthy body and it's resistance is threefold; It's patriotism, it's morality and it's spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
Joseph Stalin
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I would say that the destruction of the family unit led to the entitlement generation(s). Society has so marginalized the importance of men in this supposed race for "equality" for the genders. Women and men are different and, therefore, necessarily have different roles in society.
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The disease is the downfall of the American way; the fall of a nation. The symptoms of this fatal disease are destruction of the family unit, crummy public education, an entitlement class, expanding nanny state, border jumpers, abortion, homosexuality, etc, etc, etc.
We can try to save the patient by treating all the symptoms: overturn Roe -v- Wade, reduce the size of the federal government, lockdown the border with Mexico, strengthen the family unit, etc., but the outcome doesn't look good. Think of this as a root cause exercise.
You've been handed the root cause in several posts, yet you don't see it. You've been given a direct quote by Stalin to back it up, and you're still postulating.
Why?
Now, to get back on track, I have to rethink what the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause' of the downfall is. Perhaps the abandonment of Judeo-Christianity would be the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause', making it easy for all the other symptoms to manifest themselves. A strong Christian nation wouldn't allow abortion (much less partial birth abortion), faggots getting married and raising children, widespread drug use, adultery, worshipping false gods (such as 0bama), etc.
To eradicate a disease, you have to treat the root cause, not the symptoms. The root cause has been identified, you need the courage to understand it and act accordingly.
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Yes you could.
The disease is the downfall of the American way; the fall of a nation. The symptoms of this fatal disease are destruction of the family unit, crummy public education, an entitlement class, expanding nanny state, border jumpers, abortion, homosexuality, etc, etc, etc.
We can try to save the patient by treating all the symptoms: overturn Roe -v- Wade, reduce the size of the federal government, lockdown the border with Mexico, strengthen the family unit, etc., but the outcome doesn't look good. Think of this as a root cause exercise.
Now, to get back on track, I have to rethink what the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause' of the downfall is. Perhaps the abandonment of Judeo-Christianity would be the number one 'symptom' or 'root cause', making it easy for all the other symptoms to manifest themselves. A strong Christian nation wouldn't allow abortion (much less partial birth abortion), faggots getting married and raising children, widespread drug use, adultery, worshipping false gods (such as 0bama), etc.
I don’t think you understand the words symptom and cause. They are not interchangeable.
Cause noun
1.
a person or thing that acts, happens, or exists in such a way that some specific thing happens as a result; the producer of an effect: You have been the cause of much anxiety. What was the cause of the accident?
2.
the reason or motive for some human action: The good news was a cause for rejoicing.
3.
good or sufficient reason: to complain without cause; to be dismissed for cause.
4.
Law.
a.
a ground of legal action; the matter over which a person goes to law.
b.
a case for judicial decision.
5.
any subject of discussion or debate.
In this case you talk about the Fall of a Nation. What is the ‘cause’ of that fall. Ref. 1- what is the person or thing that acts, happens, or exists in such a way that some specific thing (in this case the fall of a nation) happens as the result; i.e., the producer of an effect.
My first point was the destruction of the family unit. By destroying the typical family unit, defined by myself in this case as a man and a woman and offspring, into anything else- two men, two women, multiple persons, etc, brings about a specific result.
For example for this a symptom of Destruction of the Family unit would be an increase of single parent families. This in turn causes a symptom of latch door children (those who grow up primarily unsupervised) which in turn causes related gang activity, ect. ect. ect.
1) The destruction of the Family unit. -ïƒ leads to…
2) Liberalization of the educational system. -ïƒ leads to…
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
symp•tom noun
1.
any phenomenon or circumstance accompanying something and serving as evidence of it.
2.
a sign or indication of something.
3.
Pathology . a phenomenon that arises from and accompanies a particular disease or disorder and serves as an indication of it.
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Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English < Late Latin symptÅma < Greek sýmptÅma occurrence, that which falls together with something, equivalent to sym- sym- + ptÅ- (variant stem of pÃptein to fall) + -ma noun suffix of result
Surely you have heard of Cause and Effect?
Overlooking your obvious flaws in Christian Philosophy, I would state that destruction of the Judeo-Christian Foundation is the goal of the left, rather than a root cause (see definition), in order to replace it with a Socialist World Government.
In order to do that the left must first destroy the basis for that Foundation- the Family Unit. Education, and the rest come further down the road, once paths have started.
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Just one element in your thinking begs a review.
The Judeo-Christian element upon which our country was founded recognizes the frailty and fallibility of man. Therefore, the practices that you outlined above are not the result of "abandoning" the JC element, rather exist in spite of it.
Evil exists in this world and the corresponding weakness of man right along with it.
You can't address evil and weakness without first acknowledging the behaviors that represent that evil. What we've managed to do is downplay or ignore those evils under the guise and pseudo-intellectual "enlightenment" philosophies.
A woman's "choice" to end a pregnancy for other than medically-necessary (for the life of the expectant mother, for example) reasons is inherently selfish and self-serving. Some might call that practice the ultimate evil. No matter what label you put on the behavior, it's still a characteristic of humankind to be self-serving.
We've grown accustomed to sacrificing others for the sake of ourselves.
That's weak and immoral.
One might be tempted to invoke Newton's Third Law of Motion in the good -vs- evil discussion and include the global community. We would probably agree that there is a global balance of good and evil both current and historically. I think that for most of American's history the balance has favored good and now that the balance seems to be favoring evil I think we can agree that the downfall is under way. How did we go from good to evil? How did we get from Roy Rogers to Miley Cyrus? From kids playing baseball to kids playing knockout? How did we get from the Founding Fathers to the dirtbags that occupy the White House and the Capital Building today? What is the root cause?
Would a million women enter abortion clinics to kill their offspring every year if they had a strong faith system to guide their moral compass regardless of how "inherently selfish and self-serving" humans have a tendency to be? I think not.
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You've been handed the root cause in several posts, yet you don't see it. You've been given a direct quote by Stalin to back it up, and you're still postulating.
Why?
To eradicate a disease, you have to treat the root cause, not the symptoms. The root cause has been identified, you need the courage to understand it and act accordingly.
Did you fail to read the post where I stated, "Think of this as a root cause exercise." ?
And what is the root cause and why do you challenge my courage?
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I would say that the destruction of the family unit led to the entitlement generation(s). Society has so marginalized the importance of men in this supposed race for "equality" for the genders. Women and men are different and, therefore, necessarily have different roles in society.
But not in a straight course. That is why the education system had to be liberalized to teach the children it was all ok- single parents, gay couples marrage, abortion, accepting government handouts, and on and on and on...
What our new frined really fails at is understanding the root basis for Christianity: Love and Forgiveness. He is a hateful little ghey-basher.
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I think that for most of American's history the balance has favored good and now that the balance seems to be favoring evil I think we can agree that the downfall is under way.
Debatable. I also disagree that the downfall is underway. I have more faith in the people than you apparently do.
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In order to do that the left must first destroy the basis for that Foundation- the Family Unit. Education, and the rest come further down the road, once paths have started.
How do you destroy the family unit, education, etc. without first taking away the faith system that was the primary building block of our country's foundation? I submit that you can't.
BTW, thanks for the english lesson........
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Did you fail to read the post where I stated, "Think of this as a root cause exercise." ?
And what is the root cause and why do you challenge my courage?
In plain English:
Destruction of the Family Unit.
He questions your courage to see the answers and accept them. Don't take it from us- go out and do the research.
A better question than "Root Cause" is 'What is the End Goal?'
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But not in a straight course. That is why the education system had to be liberalized to teach the children it was all ok- single parents, gay couples marrage, abortion, accepting government handouts, and on and on and on...
What our new frined really fails at is understanding the root basis for Christianity: Love and Forgiveness. He is a hateful little ghey-basher.
And I think that what you fail to understand is that there is a difference between love and forgiveness and tolerance and acceptance.
(Did you just play the homophobic card?)
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Debatable. I also disagree that the downfall is underway. I have more faith in the people than you apparently do.
The 'people' elected a homosexual marxist. Twice.
The defense rest......
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How do you destroy the family unit, education, etc. without first taking away the faith system that was the primary building block of our country's foundation? I submit that you can't.
BTW, thanks for the english lesson........
Do you magically wave a wand and everyone's faith system is destroyed? A strong family unit has a strong faith system. By weakening the family, by education (read indoctrination of the youth) to accept leftist goals, by removing religion from 'society' (separation of church and state in our modern 'progressive' definition, by creating a generation that looks for handouts rather than personal success, and growth of government to be the 'father' of society, you reach the end goal.
Like I have told many of my students- each step is not separate- they melt into the next and throughout the entire process.
No problem on the lesson, english or otherwise.
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In plain English:
Destruction of the Family Unit.
He questions your courage to see the answers and accept them. Don't take it from us- go out and do the research.
A better question than "Root Cause" is 'What is the End Goal?'
And, once again, I think that it's intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer that you can't destroy the family unit without first removing the Judeo-Christian culture. The first goal of communism is to replace religion of the Creator with religion of the state.
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And I think that what you fail to understand is that there is a difference between love and forgiveness and tolerance and acceptance.
(Did you just play the homophobic card?)
Please.
God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, 'Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you'
And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance
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Do you magically wave a wand and everyone's faith system is destroyed? A strong family unit has a strong faith system. By weakening the family, by education (read indoctrination of the youth) to accept leftist goals, by removing religion from 'society' (separation of church and state in our modern 'progressive' definition, by creating a generation that looks for handouts rather than personal success, and growth of government to be the 'father' of society, you reach the end goal.
Like I have told many of my students- each step is not separate- they melt into the next and throughout the entire process.
No problem on the lesson, english or otherwise.
I submit that leftist goals, including the destruction of the traditional family unit, would not be possible if Christianity weren't destroyed first.
I'm always willing to learn. Are you?
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Please.
God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, 'Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you'
And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance
Are you trying to suggest that Bible instructs us to not only love homosexuals but to accept their lifestyle?
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The 'people' elected a homosexual marxist. Twice.
The defense rest......
In 2008 Obama got 69,498,516 or 52.93% out of about 300 million people.
McCain (who did everything he could to lose- not to mention the huge media lie foisted on the people conserning Obama) got 59,948,323 or 45.65%
Some 129,446,839 people, or about 43% of the population voted. Eh...
In 2012:
Barack H. Obama: 65,917,258 51.01%
Willard Mitt Romney: 60,932,235 47.15%
even less people voted despite overwhelming propaganda from teh media and (no obvious) lies from the Administration- just to stay in office.
Again- hardly the will of the 'people'
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Are you trying to suggest that Bible instructs us to not only love homosexuals but to accept their lifestyle?
Go! Say to these people:
Keep listening, but do not understand;
keep looking, but do not perceive.
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I submit that leftist goals, including the destruction of the traditional family unit, would not be possible if Christianity weren't destroyed first.
I'm always willing to learn. Are you?
As I stated, you can not destroy Christianity without first destroying the family unit.
So- show your theory, please. I have stated mine.
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In 2008 Obama got 69,498,516 or 52.93% out of about 300 million people.
McCain (who did everything he could to lose- not to mention the huge media lie foisted on the people conserning Obama) got 59,948,323 or 45.65%
Some 129,446,839 people, or about 43% of the population voted. Eh...
In 2012:
Barack H. Obama: 65,917,258 51.01%
Willard Mitt Romney: 60,932,235 47.15%
even less people voted despite overwhelming propaganda from teh media and (no obvious) lies from the Administration- just to stay in office.
Again- hardly the will of the 'people'
That's a pretty weak argument. First of all, of the eligible voters that voted, 0blowme won by significant percentages. Second, it's my opinion that if all eligible voters had voted his percentage would be even higher.
Being an interested observer in our declining society I cannot fathom a reversal short of a major revolution.
However, I'm glad that you are optimistic. That makes two of you.
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As I stated, you can not destroy Christianity without first destroying the family unit.
So- show your theory, please. I have stated mine.
The family that prays together stays together.
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That's a pretty weak argument. First of all, of the eligible voters that voted, 0blowme won by significant percentages. Second, it's my opinion that if all eligible voters had voted his percentage would be even higher.
Being an interested observer in our declining society I cannot fathom a reversal short of a major revolution.
However, I'm glad that you are optimistic. That makes two of you.
Weak arguement? Really? Obama won by a tad less than 4% in 2012. That's quite the change from 2008 even with the full on MSM blitz of bullshit.
2008 Voting Age 229,945,000 Voting age turn out 131,407,000 or 57.1%
2012 Voting age 211,731,000 Voting age turn out 121,745,000 or 57.5%
You can't just ignor the facts.
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The family that prays together stays together.
... ::)
Look, if you are going to argue my case for me then I will just go and **** with the Dumpster.
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That might be covered in Dutch's #3.
And I certainly agree that abortion is certainly a symptom of what ails this country, not a cause.
What does it take to value life, particularly a life that is completely defenseless? A certain ethos borne of strong compassion and sense of right versus wrong. A desire to protect that which cannot protect itself. A sense of community, of getting involved, of being of assistance to others where and when needed.
We have lost much of this. Behaviors that were once unthinkable (faggots getting married during a parade; NAMBLA; same-sex "marriages") are now calmly accepted by much -- thankfully not all -- of our country. In our rush to become more "Europeanized" we trounce all over what used to be called "traditional American values" that are now called "racist," "regressive," and even "evil."
No, I firmly believe that the Progressive movement of the early part of the last century and the evils that emanated from it caused a long, slow, slippery slide down into a shadow of what this country used to stand for.
And finds difficulty in standing for it again.
This is what our country accepts these days. And it's a ****ing tragedy.
I see things this way, the first sign of the decline of America is when divorce got to me something more than a last ditch option. There was a certain level of shame when someone got a divorce but when that societal response was phased out it became the solution of choice for many.
Next was the two events that happened to coincide but took place during the removal of the inhibition on divorce. The events were the hippy movement of free love, the acceptability of adultery and Johnson's 'Great Society' which established he welfare system.
All of this came to a head in the 70s and 80s where Dads were being replaced with a welfare check and families could be put together and then torn apart with ease. Add to this mix the acceptability of drug use that also carried over from the sixties and became more acceptable to larger numbers of people. The seventies also brought us radical feminism which encouraged women to work rather than nurture a family and to emulate the promiscuity of much of the male culture.
On a side note, I find it interesting that radical feminism's response to the male dominated culture that they abhorred was to get women to embrace the aggressive behavior they were labeling as the cause of all of societies woes.
Now we move in to the 90s and the new millennium where we see the final assault on America's Christian values and the end game on the annihilation of the family. The concept of marriage is redefined and deconstructed. Gender roles are questioned and the boundaries between what common-sense and irrationality are blurred. Individual wants and desires completely trump what is good for society overall. Our politicians lie to our faces and suffer no repercussions. Our leaders feel free to spy on our every activity and legislate against any behavior they decide is harmful to their authority. Decisions are made not on what is good for society but what will allow those in power to stay in power or what will allow those who desire power to obtain it.
Keep in mind that our children today see all this and I have to wonder what does it teach them? They watch our leaders and cultural icons flaunt the laws and ethics of society with no consequences and then they wonder why they get thrown in jail for doing what they have observed? Why do our leaders want retribution from Richard Snowden but do nothing when Barak Obama, James Clapper and Eric Holden lie right in the face of the people they are suppose to serve?
We have become a nation at war with itself. We have ethical standards that are enforced inconsistently and set moral standards so low as to be no standards at all. As a nation we have abandoned God because His standards were too high for us and embraced the idea that the best standards are no standards at all. Doesn't bode to well for our future does it?
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I agree with everything you said. While I see the destruction of marriage as the number one thing, everything else you mentioned seemed to coincide at a rapid pace.
Government grew faster along with a glut of lawyers, all trying to drum up business by creating laws in order to sue or promote political agendas.
Rather than work within the constitution, everything seems so over lawyered and regulated, so as to manipulate the constitution and social norms, along political agendas. Thrown into that mix are biased and politically driven media sources and biased and dishonest educators.
Today it seems there is no truth, common sense or logic surrounding anything. I don't know how we get out of it either and I feel sorry for what's happening to my country.
This morning on the financial news, they were discussing 40k new laws going into effect Jan 1st. Who can follow or keeps up at this pace?
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I agree with everything you said. While I see the destruction of marriage as the number one thing, everything else you mentioned seemed to coincide at a rapid pace.
Government grew faster along with a glut of lawyers, all trying to drum up business by creating laws in order to sue or promote political agendas.
Rather than work within the constitution, everything seems so over lawyered and regulated, so as to manipulate the constitution and social norms, along political agendas. Thrown into that mix are biased and politically driven media sources and biased and dishonest educators.
Today it seems there is no truth, common sense or logic surrounding anything. I don't know how we get out of it either and I feel sorry for what's happening to my country.
This morning on the financial news, they were discussing 40k new laws going into effect Jan 1st. Who can follow or keeps up at this pace?
I don't hold out much hope for this world. However, I do have faith in God and his son Jesus and I recall Christ saying that with God all things are possible. I also take comfort in the knowledge that everything is unfolding in the manner God intends for it to unfold. How can I question the Creator of all things about how He implements His plan for mankind?
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I agree with everything you said. While I see the destruction of marriage as the number one thing, everything else you mentioned seemed to coincide at a rapid pace.
Government grew faster along with a glut of lawyers, all trying to drum up business by creating laws in order to sue or promote political agendas.
Rather than work within the constitution, everything seems so over lawyered and regulated, so as to manipulate the constitution and social norms, along political agendas. Thrown into that mix are biased and politically driven media sources and biased and dishonest educators.
Today it seems there is no truth, common sense or logic surrounding anything. I don't know how we get out of it either and I feel sorry for what's happening to my country.
This morning on the financial news, they were discussing 40k new laws going into effect Jan 1st. Who can follow or keeps up at this pace?
The goal of the leftists is, and always has been, to install a communist utopia. This is an interesting political cartoon that was in the Chicago Tribune in 1934(?):
(http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/149446.bmp)
We know how it's been done in other countries with violent overthrow but America is a different problem for the communist. You had a previous post where you quoted Nikita Kruchev: "Russia does not have to destroy America with missles; America will destroy from within." It appears that he was right.
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The goal of the leftists is, and always has been, to install a communist utopia. This is an interesting political cartoon that was in the Chicago Tribune in 1934(?):
(http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/149446.bmp)
We know how it's been done in other countries with violent overthrow but America is a different problem for the communist. You had a previous post where you quoted Nikita Kruchev: "Russia does not have to destroy America with missles; America will destroy from within." It appears that he was right.
You have come to this board and expounded at great length about a problem we were all well aware of. There have been some disagreements about the primary and proximal causes that you, frankly, were schooled on.
The question I have is, what are you prepared to do other than making long drawn out posts stating the obvious to folks who are already aware?
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The goal of the leftists is, and always has been, to install a communist utopia. This is an interesting political cartoon that was in the Chicago Tribune in 1934(?):
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We know how it's been done in other countries with violent overthrow but America is a different problem for the communist. You had a previous post where you quoted Nikita Kruchev: "Russia does not have to destroy America with missles; America will destroy from within." It appears that he was right.
Have you read the 45 goals of the communist agenda? Quite a shock to those who haven't. About 95% of them are complete.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
They were taken from the book "Naked Communist" written in 1958.
When you couple that with what Yuri Bezmenov said, it explains a lot about what has been happening here.
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Again, the "True Conservative" comes to grace us with his knowledge...
...which we already knew and explained to him.
Of course, then he repeates what we have said, adds cut and paste from sites we already knew about, and struts about, manly conservative.
::)
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Again, the "True Conservative" comes to grace us with his knowledge...
...which we already knew and explained to him.
Of course, then he repeates what we have said, adds cut and paste from sites we already knew about, and struts about, manly conservative.
::)
There is a certain danglesnish to it.
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There is a certain danglesnish to it.
true
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Did you fail to read the post where I stated, "Think of this as a root cause exercise." ?
No, I didn't. For that matter, I quoted it in my response.
I have given you the answer in post 2, therefore, exercise over. Anything that has been posted since has reinforced that answer.
why do you challenge my courage?
Any challenge of your courage from me would have contained the word "coward". It was not a personal challenge to you, it was a general observation regarding a state of being.
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You have come to this board and expounded at great length about a problem we were all well aware of. There have been some disagreements about the primary and proximal causes that you, frankly, were schooled on.
The question I have is, what are you prepared to do other than making long drawn out posts stating the obvious to folks who are already aware?
Was trying to have a discussion. If that bothers you simply return to your Lady GaGa videos and forget that me and this thread exist.
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Was trying to have a discussion. If that bothers you simply return to your Lady GaGa videos and forget that me and this thread exist.
Hmm. I guess that means you choose not to answer Bad Dog's question.
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I like Fla Gator's response, for which he got a h5 from me.
Frankly, I believe this country is irreparably harmed; a process that started more than a hundred years.
Proglodytes ought to be proud of themselves. They've done well. :whatever:
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Have you read the 45 goals of the communist agenda? Quite a shock to those who haven't. About 95% of them are complete.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
They were taken from the book "Naked Communist" written in 1958.
When you couple that with what Yuri Bezmenov said, it explains a lot about what has been happening here.
Yes, I previously read that along with the communist manifesto and rules for radicals. (know thine enemy)
My dad was a WWII vet and participated in the invasion at Omaha Beach and he used that quote about being destroyed from within quite often. Of course, when I was young I didn't understand how that could happen. After all, didn't everybody go to church on Sunday and weren't all of our elected officials moral, upstanding people?
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Hmm. I guess that means you choose not to answer Bad Dog's question.
BD's 'what are prepared to do' question smacked of trolling.
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I like Fla Gator's response, for which he got a h5 from me.
Frankly, I believe this country is irreparably harmed; a process that started more than a hundred years.
Proglodytes ought to be proud of themselves. They've done well. :whatever:
I agree which begs the question: what do we do now?
(Quite frankly, we probably see eye to eye on many issues.)
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BD's 'what are prepared to do' question smacked of trolling.
Indeed. Since you flubbed the pie question, it is understandable you would shy away from that question.
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Look, if you are going to argue my case for me then I will just go and **** with the Dumpster.
Are you serious? Prayer/religion binds the family, therefore, one can deduce that in the absence of religion, the family unit is less stable.
I'm afraid that we've reached an impasse.
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Again, the "True Conservative" comes to grace us with his knowledge...
...which we already knew and explained to him.
Of course, then he repeates what we have said, adds cut and paste from sites we already knew about, and struts about, manly conservative.
::)
Quid pro quo on schooling: repeates should be repeats
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I agree which begs the question: what do we do now?
(Quite frankly, we probably see eye to eye on many issues.)
Wait.....what? that was my trollish question.
Frankly , if we didn't see eye to eye on so many things, I would think you were trying to draw out members on this forum as to illegal acts they might be contemplating.
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Indeed. Since you flubbed the pie question, it is understandable you would shy away from that question.
At least you're living up to your moniker, albeit a cyber setting.
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Wait.....what? that was my trollish question.
Frankly , if we didn't see eye to eye on so many things, I would think you were trying to draw out members on this forum as to illegal acts they might be contemplating.
Totally different. I asked the question in the body of a civil discussion. You asked the question after preceding it with a personal attack.
You do see the difference don't you?
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Totally different. I asked the question in the body of a civil discussion. You asked the question after preceding it with a personal attack.
You do see the difference don't you?
I am happy to admit mine was more direct and honest and yours was more dishonest and sneaky.
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The 'people' elected a homosexual marxist. Twice.
The defense rest......
Marxist...probably. Homosexual? Rumor only...and a pretty flimsy one at that. Why do you treat it like it's fact?
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Are you trying to suggest that Bible instructs us to not only love homosexuals but to accept their lifestyle?
Love the sinner...hate the sin.
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Was trying to have a discussion. If that bothers you simply return to your Lady GaGa videos and forget that me and this thread exist.
So...you've presented what you think is the real problem...what do you suggest we do to fix it?
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So...you've presented what you think is the real problem...what do you suggest we do to fix it?
Good luck with that.
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I agree which begs the question: what do we do now?
Let me get this straight. You say that the question BD posed "smacked of trolling" and yet you turn around and ask the same question of me?
Am I supposed to conclude that you're trolling just as much as BD allegedly trolls?
BD's been on this site for a good while and in my view, doesn't suffer fools well. And he doesn't resort to trolling behavior.
You, on the other hand, I don't know at all.
So please explain. How are the two questions different?
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Was trying to have a discussion. If that bothers you simply return to your Lady GaGa videos and forget that me and this thread exist.
Trust me, scooter--your type has been and gone from here many, many times. To say that you'd be easy to ignore would be an understatement.
Oh, and you can shove the "true conservative" shit straight up your ass. Homey don't play 'dat.
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Let me get this straight. You say that the question BD posed "smacked of trolling" and yet you turn around and ask the same question of me?
Am I supposed to conclude that you're trolling just as much as BD allegedly trolls?
BD's been on this site for a good while and in my view, doesn't suffer fools well. And he doesn't resort to trolling behavior.
You, on the other hand, I don't know at all.
So please explain. How are the two questions different?
You left out the good part "(Quite frankly, we probably see eye to eye on many issues.)" . So there's that.
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Are you serious? Prayer/religion binds the family, therefore, one can deduce that in the absence of religion, the family unit is less stable.
I'm afraid that we've reached an impasse.
Possibly. I say that the only way to weaken faith is to destroy the family unit. You say the only way to destroy the family unit is to weaken faith.
Your own statement supports my thesis. However, if you read my first post you will see that I state that weakening faith comes later, after the family unit is weakend enough that the leftist teachings start to take root in the children. (see education and the rermoval of God from society)
Let's argue for a moment that you are correct and all it takes to destroy faith is to replace it with the state. We have a couple of expamples, NAZI Germany and Soviet Russia.
The Soviets did everything it could to destroy religion and failed. Why? Because the family remained a strong source of faith. During WWII the Soviets returned to religion using it to bulster up the Russian people. Even after a strong sense of religion remained in the USSR and after the fall of communism it returned in strength.
Leftists in the US saw this flaw in the system and worked to fix it by destroying the family through every means it could think of. With out the family to raise it's children the massess turned away from morality and turned into the welfare state.
Now- can you argue your point of view with more than a "Nuh-Uh... Is Not"?
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Quid pro quo on schooling: repeates should be repeats
yes, of course ab aeterno... Because an additional letter is exactly like misunderstanding the definition of key words in your arguement.
Accipe Hoc
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Totally different. I asked the question in the body of a civil discussion. You asked the question after preceding it with a personal attack.
You do see the difference don't you?
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
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Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Yeah....What he said!
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I note our nbf worshiper has left the building. Probably needs to get suited up for tonight's KKK rally. :-)
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Yeah....What he said!
Cogito, ergo sum melior...
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I note our nbf worshiper has left the building. Probably needs to get suited up for tonight's KKK rally. :-)
Not the brightest of retards, is he. Oh, well...
quia omnis canis percutit (bitchslaps for everyone)
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
That about covers it.
H5.
I'd add to that, moral relativism which probably springs from number 3 or is at least related, and the destruction of objectivity in media, education, and the general populace.
Both probably come from one of those 5.
CMD
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That about covers it.
H5.
I'd add to that, moral relativism which probably springs from number 3 or is at least related, and the destruction of objectivity in media, education, and the general populace.
Both probably come from one of those 5.
CMD
Ego sum malum genium. :-)
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Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Or in his case, contra principia negantem non est disputandum.
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Gluteus maximus el abolitionista!
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Or in his case, contra principia negantem non est disputandum.
Via recta ducere conatur, sed invenit saepe dolore.
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Gluteus maximus el abolitionista!
Magnus es tu, et asini, et non est mutus.
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Via recta ducere conatur, sed invenit saepe dolore.
Yeah, maybe he tries a little TOO hard?
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Yeah, maybe he tries a little TOO hard?
I really think he's just parroting the shit he's read. There isn't too much critical thinking from him. He takes a hit, re-reads his web-sites, posts what he reads, gets hit again, and so on.
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What the hell you are all babbling about in a lost language from long ago. I am sure on a resume under do you speak any other language if you check Latin there will be a big need in some company for you, not to say Esperanto is not needed.
I say our problems are caused by the human nature, then throw in a catalyst of one sort or another and there you have it.
1780's half the Protestants in Maine were with out a preacher, the towns had run them out for evil doings, from sex to stealing. Most went to Mass. to become Unitarians. Taken from the diary of a mid wife that I read years ago.
I have never in my life time ever met anyone that said they had a wonderful childhood, not a one. Few kids of my generation did have a dad come home from war, or any generation going back in time not loose a parent to disease, accident, or crime.
Depends on the Catalyst, the kids in my time who had blood parents who wanted their kids to not suffer as they had as kids or young adults spoiled the kids. The mantra of the time was that kids were young for just a few years before becoming adult. This stopped parents from training their kids to learn to become adults and have responsibility.
The 60's came in and Old Timothy O'Leary came in the catalyst to Tune in drop out, stay a child all your life, it doesn't matter what you do, your parents will be there to support you for life.-------And the parents did.
Human Nature, people will wink at a small sin if it has benefit for them. Soon the small sin's become a bit larger but they just go up the ladder with self justification into darn near any sin including killing unborn children or grandchildren.
What is the catalyst that comes in, changes everything and leaves untouched and unchanged itself ?
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Ego sum malum genium. :-)
If you do that ONE MORE TIME, you clean it up. :hammer:
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more stupider...
Hello, vesta...
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Not the brightest of retards, is he. Oh, well...
quia omnis canis percutit (bitchslaps for everyone)
And one for you just to keep it fair, since you can't bitchslap yourself.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more stupider...
Hello, vesta...
My Latin is rusty, but Mrs. Waldrop did the best she could.
As far as vesta goes, vacca foeda!
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My Latin is rusty, but Mrs. Waldrop did the best she could.
As far as vesta goes, vacca foeda!
What do you suppose it would cost us to get Vesta to go after this guy? I expect he would be toast after four or five posts.
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What do you suppose it would cost us to get Vesta to go after this guy? I expect he would be toast after four or five posts.
Hell, I'd chip in $3.48! :lmao:
h5
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Hell, I'd chip in $3.48! :lmao:
h5
Considering some of her free form posting, I'm afraid she might demand sexual favors.
Anybody seen Big Dog?
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Considering some of her free form posting, I'm afraid she might demand sexual favors.
Anybody seen Big Dog?
Not lately.
Oh, shit. :rotf:
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I'm glad I got in a word edgewise on page one. This thread took off !
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The media is the cause.
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Oh , and Carpe Beer..
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Considering some of her free form posting, I'm afraid she might demand sexual favors.
Anybody seen Big Dog?
Ain't happening, man.
I like 'em wild, not crazy.
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My Latin is rusty, but Mrs. Waldrop did the best she could.
As far as vesta goes, vacca foeda!
I will not eat shit Sparky and you cannot make me. :tongue: :rant:
Actually I would love to --go after this man, ---- BUT, my shy, demure, and unassuming ways stand in the way. :whistling:
The family unite is no different today then it was 5,000 years ago. Not everyone is lucky or unlucky enough to have an intact family for 40 + years.
Looking at Arlington Cemetery, well over 3/4 of our hero's left behind wives and children
and the kids were raised by stepparents that often did a better job raising them then their biological parent would, or could have done.
I do agree that the Great Society was a blow to the poor both black and white. All came down to some very hard decisions for family's in the 1970's .
This was an eye opener when I moved to a city that had a melting pot of people. I had never lived around so many people that were really poor before.
Ghetto living at that time disturbed me, how it worked back then was sad, when a social worker came into the projects the alarm was put out, the kids would run door to door warning of the workers presence.
Back doors would fly open and the husbands and fathers of the children would fly out to hide. To be caught living with their family that received welfare would mean all state benefits would be dropped for the family.
These men could not get work as the economy was very bad then and the only choice they had was to work under the table for cash.
Along came the welfare Mommas that had a baby every 4 years so they were not required to work, they could have a boyfriend but not the father of their baby's.
Then the laws changed on raising children, one had to be oh so careful of not hurting the feelings of their child, tell a kid they made a stupid decision and soon CPA was at the door forcing the parent to go to classes to learn to Never discipline or stop a child a child from destructive behavior.
Point being, a generation of children that held their parents as hostage to their whims. Now today these children have kids of their own, in jail or in the gangs.
This was the beginning of the collapes from with in the country, Family's needed help and nothing was required from them in return.
Old saying------Give away a puppy for free and who knows what will happen to it. Charge $500.00 for same puppy and the new owners will take care of their investment.
Big Dog, what is the difference in being wild and crazy ?
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The media is the cause.
of vesta? I would argue that media is the agent, obviously not the only one, in all this mess.
Sorry for all the latin lately. Dork OP started it... ANYway, have been reading a lot of books on medieval manuscripts lately and so- it kind of took a life of it's own.
Penem maiorem medice meus michi quam mariti.
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Not the brightest of retards, is he. Oh, well...
quia omnis canis percutit (bitchslaps for everyone)
That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
and since he can't win an arguement- he takes his balls and goes home.
see ya, ****head.
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of vesta? I would argue that media is the agent, obviously not the only one, in all this mess.
Sorry for all the latin lately. Dork OP started it... ANYway, have been reading a lot of books on medieval manuscripts lately and so- it kind of took a life of it's own.
Penem maiorem medice meus michi quam mariti.
The media is the cause of people being able to pick the fly shit out of the pepper . And thanks to the modern marvels it can be done with nothing more then a keyboard. Spell check off!!!
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
:rotf:
Headed back to DU, eh?
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Ain't happening, man.
I like 'em wild, not crazy.
I fell off my couch and hit my head, the bill is on the way,
Oh BTW ^5.
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
Wait!!! You forgot your shingle!
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Typical response from a 100%'er when called on their BS
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
Hey now thug is a racist term now.
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What is funny is we gave him answers and debate yet he couldn't hang.
What he meant to say is You guys won't answer the way I want you go so I am going home to pout.
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Hey now thug is a racist term now.
Yes it is racist, as is Buster and a few other words.
So how to describe someone that witnesses some kind of crime ? Is it raciest to tell the police the Perp was Black, White, Latino ?
So the cops ask about what race they were, how the hell in this world of so called color blind society can anyone tell, unless one sees a bald headed China man waving a meat cleaver.
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That's a standard liberal response. Resort to name calling. Oh, well............
Since this board appears to be full of cyber thugs and pompous asses where the exchange of ideas appears to be gangsta style beat downs or schoolyard type exchanges with the libtards over at DU I believe that I will ban myself from the Conservative Cave.
Slán.
See ya, dickhead.
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1) The destruction of the Family unit.
2) Liberalisation of the educational system.
3) Removal of God from 'Society'. (hense morality)
4) Creation of entitlement generations.
5) Growth of Government.
Indeed ^ this
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Hey now thug is a racist term now.
Thugs or thugee's where a gang of professional assassins who roamed India (mostly Muslims... go figure). It is said that they may have murdered up to 1,000,000 people.
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Hey now thug is a racist term now.
According to the recently discredited Melissa Harris Perry, so is owebumacare.
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HEHE