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Title: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
Rad fems on DU see no problem with women not meeting minimum new Marine Corp fitness standards..zero common sense with those idiots.



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Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 10:34:27 AM
Star Member boston bean (18,728 posts)
17. I can't now, but I use to be able too. Just three though.. no more! LOL

I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along. However, I am sure that as women try to meet the standards (no matter how I feel about them), more will succeed.


Boston bean  truly is dumb as  a box of rocks.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: BlueStateSaint on December 27, 2013, 10:37:41 AM
Star Member boston bean (18,728 posts)
17. I can't now, but I use to be able too. Just three though.. no more! LOL

I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along. However, I am sure that as women try to meet the standards (no matter how I feel about them), more will succeed.


Boston bean  truly is dumb as  a box of rocks.

Boxes of rocks everywhere are offended by that comparison. :rant: :tongue:
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on December 27, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
Edited because I should have looked first.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
You have a deep... "fascination" with the DUmp harpies, don't you?  Why is that?

Stalk much?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on December 27, 2013, 10:46:52 AM
Edited because I should have looked first.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: Skul on December 27, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
Stalk much?
It's called suspicion. Live with it.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 10:48:18 AM
Nothing more than an observation, fitman.  Did I hit a nerve?

So you think I am a DU harpy troll??
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: sharkhawk on December 27, 2013, 10:49:04 AM
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nadinbrzezinski (128,541 posts)

16. Correct
 




In my 20s I did them, regularly. I worked EMS. I had to work those muscles. These days I would not try, not before significant upper body training that is.

Sacred cows make the best hamburger, pass the relish 

I'm speechless.  Is there nothing she can't do, or hasn't done.  Someone better add fitness nut to her resume
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 10:56:43 AM
It's called suspicion. Live with it.

Does not bother me to be honest-not losing any sleep over it..bothers some of you more.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on December 27, 2013, 11:06:48 AM
I'm speechless.  Is there nothing she can't do, or hasn't done.  Someone better add fitness nut to her resume

Apparently Nadin removed the term "fitness" and is now just a nut.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: EagleKeeper on December 27, 2013, 11:07:53 AM
Does not bother me to be honest-not losing any sleep over it..bothers some of you more.

So, I'm confused, does that mean you are a DU harpy troll
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 11:10:55 AM
So, I'm confused, does that mean you are a DU harpy troll

No, just that I don't care what others think or may be thinking.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: longview on December 27, 2013, 11:17:59 AM
I suppose being able to do pull ups would translate to a useful skill when you need to hoist yourself out of harms way.  I'd rather be able to lift my scrawny self than have to wait for help.

A big gripe I have with many feminists is right along this line.  They want equal compensation and opportunity, but not equal responsibility.  I see it in ranching, too.  They act all macho while throwing a 30# saddle on a short quarter horse, but whine when it's time to waller a rail road tie into the ground for a corner post.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on December 27, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
Edited because I should have looked first.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: NHSparky on December 27, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
I'm speechless.  Is there nothing she can't do, or hasn't done.  Someone better add fitness nut to her resume

First off, no way in hell she ever did them.  Ever.  Second, any woman who could do more than 1-2 would never let themselves go to the point they look like The Penguin.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on December 27, 2013, 11:50:47 AM
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boston bean (18,728 posts)
17. I can't now, but I use to be able too. Just three though.. no more! LOL

I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Yeah! Nobody ever had to climb over anything in combat. This is just par for course for the United States Misogyny Corps!!!!!
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: EagleKeeper on December 27, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
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boston bean (18,728 posts)
I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

I don't have to worry about it now, but back in the day, it would have greatly disturbed me to know that this person was either on my left or my right.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: GOBUCKS on December 27, 2013, 12:16:00 PM
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I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

LocoNuts and DUmpangelnumbers wear pull ups.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on December 27, 2013, 12:49:05 PM
I suppose being able to do pull ups would translate to a useful skill when you need to hoist yourself out of harms way.  I'd rather be able to lift my scrawny self than have to wait for help.

A big gripe I have with many feminists is right along this line.  They want equal compensation and opportunity, but not equal responsibility.  I see it in ranching, too.  They act all macho while throwing a 30# saddle on a short quarter horse, but whine when it's time to waller a rail road tie into the ground for a corner post.

You could probably get as many opinions about it as on such other timeless questions are 'Ford vs. Chevy' or 'S&W vs Colt.'  The Army hasn't made them a part of its standards (Except in some schools, and even then, with a certain unpredictable amount of slack).  In itself, it hasn't seem to have made much of a difference either way in combat capability.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dutch508 on December 27, 2013, 12:55:30 PM
Stalk much?

Too obvious as a DUmpmonkie mole. **** me, you dorks need to try harder.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: zeitgeist on December 27, 2013, 12:56:38 PM
First off, no way in hell she ever did them.  Ever.  Second, any woman who could do more than 1-2 would never let themselves go to the point they look like The Penguin.


Aw come on Sparky, I've seen several pictures of Nads, you really think she looks like The Penguin??

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Batman_villains_The_Penguin_The_Riddler_The_Joker_1967.JPG)

Her hair line is more The Riddler, and, just a zeitgeist fashion tip, the mask could work well for her too.
 :rotf:

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 27, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
Last words of a dying MARINE, "Yeah, but she sure looked cute trying to drag my dying ass off the battle field."
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 01:09:19 PM
Too obvious as a DUmpmonkie mole. **** me, you dorks need to try harder.

 :bird:
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dutch508 on December 27, 2013, 01:12:53 PM
:bird:

Quit picking your nose and scratching your ass and go home. Come back when you learn to mole and post effectively.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: EagleKeeper on December 27, 2013, 01:16:53 PM
Quit picking your nose and scratching your ass and go home. Come back when you learn to mole and post effectively.

Speak your piece, or go home and come back another day.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
Quit picking your nose and scratching your ass and go home. Come back when you learn to mole and post effectively.

You called me a dumpmonkie and then want me to act civil? LOL

I make a post about the rad fems on DU, berating them and I get called a mole..LMAO.. as a mole shouldn't I be cleverly sticking up for them?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dutch508 on December 27, 2013, 01:33:06 PM
You called me a dumpmonkie and then want me to act civil? LOL

I make a post about the rad fems on DU, berating them and I get called a mole..LMAO.. as a mole shouldn't I be cleverly sticking up for them?

No, a troll would take their side disrupting the thread. A mole digs in and hides. You already came out of the closet in previous posts as a DU DUmbass. Now you are just acting the fool.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: fitman on December 27, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
No, a troll would take their side disrupting the thread. A mole digs in and hides. You already came out of the closet in previous posts as a DU DUmbass. Now you are just acting the fool.

Ever consider I was a troll on DU?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on December 27, 2013, 01:48:05 PM
:bird:

You know, all you had to do was point this (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,91936.msg1148360.html#msg1148360) out. 

I apologize for not doing my own research first, fitman.  I now understand completely what your hangup with the fembots is all about.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dutch508 on December 27, 2013, 02:49:33 PM
Ever consider I was a troll on DU?

And got kicked out. What did you achieve? Nothing.

Your posts here are sophomoric at best. No, I take that back. If anything they are Freshmoric. Your new Delta nickname is Freshmoran.

Or something. You don't even rate a bitchslap. Wasp gets one for not doing research.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on December 27, 2013, 03:54:34 PM
And got kicked out. What did you achieve? Nothing.

Your posts here are sophomoric at best. No, I take that back. If anything they are Freshmoric. Your new Delta nickname is Freshmoran.

Or something. You don't even rate a bitchslap. Wasp gets one for not doing research.

(http://f3nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another.jpg)

 :lmao:
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: formerlurker on December 27, 2013, 04:29:23 PM

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Response to dawg (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:27 PM

nadinbrzezinski (128,547 posts)
55. Or to go over obstacles

or to drag your sorry ass out of harms way.

It is not just about greco roman fighting, or hand to hand combat.

It has clear reasons for it, but it does as well in Fire Fighting, EMS and Police Work, all three have many more women who are not failing. So I gotta ask what are the Marines doing wrong in training these women?

Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: freedumb2003b on December 27, 2013, 04:45:29 PM
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It has clear reasons for it, but it does as well in Fire Fighting, EMS and Police Work, all three have many more women who are not failing.
Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.



nadine is wrong -- they lowered the standards in those professions as well.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: Skul on December 27, 2013, 06:30:26 PM
Does not bother me to be honest-not losing any sleep over it..bothers some of you more.
Doesn't really bother us at all.
If you're DUmp troll, be honest about it.
DUmpmonkeys don't get canned unless they freak out.
I know you saw a good example of that.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: jtyangel on January 01, 2014, 10:33:18 PM
To the feminazis: How is getting rid of this requirement fair to the almost 50% of women who DO pass it?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: Big Dog on January 02, 2014, 07:19:50 AM
Star Member boston bean (18,728 posts)
17. I can't now, but I use to be able too. Just three though.. no more! LOL

I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along. However, I am sure that as women try to meet the standards (no matter how I feel about them), more will succeed.


Boston bean  truly is dumb as  a box of rocks.

Normandy. Iwo Jima. Sicily.

(http://one.arch.tamu.edu/media/photologue/phlogphoto/cache/Pointe_Du_Hoc_14_resized_galleria_large.jpg)

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on January 02, 2014, 08:06:02 AM

A big gripe I have with many feminists is right along this line. They want equal compensation and opportunity, but not equal responsibility.  I see it in ranching, too.  They act all macho while throwing a 30# saddle on a short quarter horse, but whine when it's time to waller a rail road tie into the ground for a corner post.

That's exactly what it is.   Memo to the (D)UFEMNDSAPers:  Those PFT standards are not new, by any stretch of the imagination.  Most females we had never bitched about it any more than anyone else did  (and we did, from time to time    :-)).  They simply took it as a job requirement and went on remedial PT just like anyone else would if they flunked one. Flunk two consecutive, and you're gone.

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Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along.

Lowering the bar for your protected victimz?  STFU, you stupid bitch.  Four times a year; the Remington Raiders, Wingers and Grunts all take the PFT.  Hung over, just off watch or feeling frosty.  No excuse.  You see, that's how the non-(D)ipshit world works.  Unlike unqualified Presidents, you don't get a whole lot of mulligans in combat.

Normandy. Iwo Jima. Sicily.

(http://one.arch.tamu.edu/media/photologue/phlogphoto/cache/Pointe_Du_Hoc_14_resized_galleria_large.jpg)

'Nuff said.

Phuckin' A, Bubba.   :hi5:
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: vesta111 on January 02, 2014, 08:48:02 AM
That's exactly what it is.   Memo to the (D)UFEMNDSAPers:  Those PFT standards are not new, by any stretch of the imagination.  Most females we had never bitched about it any more than anyone else did  (and we did, from time to time    :-)).  They simply took it as a job requirement and went on remedial PT just like anyone else would if they flunked one. Flunk two consecutive, and you're gone.

Lowering the bar for your protected victimz?  STFU, you stupid bitch.  Four times a year; the Remington Raiders, Wingers and Grunts all take the PFT.  Hung over, just off watch or feeling frosty.  No excuse.  You see, that's how the non-(D)ipshit world works.  Unlike unqualified Presidents, you don't get a whole lot of mulligans in combat.

Phuckin' A, Bubba.   :hi5:

No ,No, No, to each as their ability.

All military needs to place people in a category of ability.   Be it mental, physical, and with the possibility that those placed can change over time.

Woman that want to go into combat have to realize they have a body structure far different from the Males.   The males strength is in the upper torso, woman have their strength in the hips and thighs.   A male can carry a 50 pound back pack but a woman needs the weight on her hips.

Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: RayRaytheSBS on January 02, 2014, 09:36:09 AM
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Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

Vesta, why the hell should the DOD waste time, money, and resources to make a small portion of the population more fit at doing a job when a man can do it without any enhancement? Doesn't that sound like misallocation of resources?

 If they don't meet the standards, they don't become a marine, army infantry, ranger, or SF. PERIOD. Anything else will get people killed. It is not sexism, it is not men are better than women,  it is the right person for the job.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 02, 2014, 09:47:28 AM
In the next great world war, the nation with the most healthy young women left will be the winner. Only healthy young women have babies and the country that safe guards them instead of killing them on the battlefield will be able to repopulate faster and therefore the ultimate winner able to dominate the rest of the world.

Just my take on this.....opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.....or used to before modern made it possible to survive without an asshole.....shame we can't surgically remove the liberal assholes as easily because we could certainly live without them.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: freedumb2003b on January 02, 2014, 10:00:13 AM
Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.
The new army:
(http://iamariella.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/1117fannypack.jpg)
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 02, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
The new army:
(http://iamariella.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/1117fannypack.jpg)
Would you look at the nails on that bitch in the back.....you just know she can't hack the military life....she might break a nail.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: txradioguy on January 02, 2014, 10:10:03 AM
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I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Upper body strength means the difference between pulling your wounded battle buddy to safety or getting shot like he/she was.  Pull ups require a lot of shoulder nd upper back strength to achieve properly...the same muscles you'd be using to drag that wounded soldier in full gear...to safety.

But then you'd know that if you'd ever been near a "battle field".
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: txradioguy on January 02, 2014, 10:11:38 AM
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ntil the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

Then until that time the Uber Liberal Femi Nazis should stop insisting that women can do everything men can and refrain from shoving them headlong into combat roles.
 
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: freedumb2003b on January 02, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
Then until that time the Uber Liberal Femi Nazis should stop insisting that women can do everything men can and refrain from shoving them headlong into combat roles.
 

As long as they are approved for combat they damn well better be eligible for Selective Service.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DUmpsterDiver on January 02, 2014, 11:22:21 AM
Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.

Yup, she confused her crampons for some feminine products and got a case of crablegs trying to rush to a photog.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: thundley4 on January 02, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
[youtube=425,350]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2W23ysgWKI[/youtube]

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: Rebel on January 02, 2014, 04:41:02 PM
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wercal (1,090 posts)
256. Since we're giving credentials...

I too went to Air Assault school...and Airborne school...and I was a.certified MFT (master fitness trainer).

First of all, the fitness training that you knew in the military did not always exist. It came into being after a realization in the late seventies and ewrly eighties that the average American was no longer fit...so fitness would have to be trained in the military. So that's why the Army that you knew has a borderline obsession with fitness.

And that fitness is measured in VERY arbitrary ways. The entirety of a soldier's physical fitness is condensed into pushups, situps, 2 mile run. But it has to be arbitrary...how else can you compare people without a measuring stick.

In the marines they do pull-ups. Whenever I trained with marines, I was shocked at their inability to do push ups on par with the Army guys. But of course they were better at pull ups. You see we were all training for the test...no different than a teacher priming students for any other standardized test. So sure, the ability to do pull ups is an imperfect measure of fitness...but it IS the measuring stick in the marines. Ergo, wll marines should measure up...or go to remedial training.

Btw, you were cav...I was a tanker. I don't know if you were on a Bradley or a HMMVEE, but I can think of alot of tasks on a Bradley that require alot of strength. I was a cadet and was in the unique.position of 'trying out' the M1 and the Bradley, in a group that included women. I'm sure that some women could load a tank round...but in my observation, none in our group could, within the time limit. Now, if the Armor branch is ever opened to women, I would hope and expect that they are required to be able to load a round, lift a block of track, carry the .50, etc. The crew is limited, and everybody has to quite literally pull their own weight.

May be the first DUer I actually believe was in the military, other than calling a HMMWV a HMMVEE, but with so many people ****ing up acronyms, it's common. I can't attest to the Marine's pushup strength. Keep in mind, he's comparing combat arms Army guys with Marines, not your average Army guy/gal.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dutch508 on January 02, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
May be the first DUer I actually believe was in the military, other than calling a HMMWV a HMMVEE, but with so many people ****ing up acronyms, it's common. I can't attest to the Marine's pushup strength. Keep in mind, he's comparing combat arms Army guys with Marines, not your average Army guy/gal.

Yup, agreed with you on this guy. Notice he said cadet, must have been rotc. Even within combat arms there are huge differences in physical fitness between tankers, grunts, mech inf, rangers, and arty types. Cab scouts are a mix, really, taxi DATs and mech inf.

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 02, 2014, 06:48:03 PM
May be the first DUer I actually believe was in the military, other than calling a HMMWV a HMMVEE, but with so many people ****ing up acronyms, it's common. I can't attest to the Marine's pushup strength. Keep in mind, he's comparing combat arms Army guys with Marines, not your average Army guy/gal.

Yeah, what this one says rings pretty true, I think he's a real vet and has at least some kind of experience with real tanks.  Therefore probably an incautious mole, but certainly chum for the feminazis even if he is a legit Democrat.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: seahorse513 on January 02, 2014, 07:29:39 PM
First off, no way in hell she ever did them.  Ever.  Second, any woman who could do more than 1-2 would never let themselves go to the point they look like The Penguin.
Isn't the pole like over 6 feet high??
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 02, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:21 AM
nadinbrzezinski (128,649 posts)
16. Correct

In my 20s I did them, regularly. I worked EMS. I had to work those muscles. These days I would not try, not before significant upper body training that is.

nadin could do dozens of pull ups in her 20s.

Many may not have seen a photo of nutcase nadin in her 20s:

(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/pyzamlilgirl.jpg)
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 02, 2014, 07:52:08 PM
Here's an article about the WMs and their PT test.

http://news.msn.com/us/marines-delay-female-fitness-plan-after-half-fail
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: longview on January 02, 2014, 09:47:55 PM
Dad gum it!  Don't cut the chicas any slack.  They can either do the job or they can't.  Ugh.  Makes me sick.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 03, 2014, 09:21:30 AM


(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/pyzamlilgirl.jpg)
Doing her would be as close to being queer as I would ever get.

On second thought, if she's a transsexual....forget it.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: txradioguy on January 03, 2014, 10:22:35 AM
As long as they are approved for combat they damn well better be eligible for Selective Service.


I agree.  And I'd add that as long as they are approved for combat MOS'...they need to do away with separate male and female standards for the PT test.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: AprilRazz on January 03, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
As a woman that has actually served in the military (not just married to it), I can say that in my opinion, women have no place in ground combat. Our enemy will see them as more of a target (and we all know how they treat their own women) and it will needlessly endanger the lives of the men with them. Corpsman and medics have stopped wearing identifying symbols (red cross on helmet or arm) for the same reason. The Marines are protective of their Corpsman because he is the one person they hope will bring them back alive if they are injured. But the enemy knows it as well and would take them out the first chance they got.
Same with women. You drill it into men's heads all you want but you will never change human nature. For millions of years the women have relied on men for protection, men will protect them as it is nature and no amount of power point training will change that.

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: obumazombie on January 03, 2014, 11:23:38 AM
I Think the original designation of the Humvee was HMMWV. High Mobility Multi Wheel Vehicle. That's how I recall it.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dane on January 03, 2014, 11:57:28 AM
No ,No, No, to each as their ability.

All military needs to place people in a category of ability.   Be it mental, physical, and with the possibility that those placed can change over time.

Woman that want to go into combat have to realize they have a body structure far different from the Males.   The males strength is in the upper torso, woman have their strength in the hips and thighs.   A male can carry a 50 pound back pack but a woman needs the weight on her hips.

Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

Unless I misunderstood the wording in the 'protect against all enemies, foreign....' and so on, this implies that everyone EVERYONE faces the possibility of combat.  Surely you do not suggest that someone be disallowed if conditions require them to engage by using the disclaimer "Oh, I cannot do that!  I am a cook (baker, quartermaster, signalman, truck driver, whatever). 

Years ago I had a young man working for me who was dismayed because he was on a ship, in the Navy.  He said he had not expected to be on a ship.  I asked him had he never seen a war movie with ships, or a Navy recruiting poster?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DefiantSix on January 03, 2014, 12:08:11 PM
Unless I misunderstood the wording in the 'protect against all enemies, foreign....' and so on, this implies that everyone EVERYONE faces the possibility of combat.  Surely you do not suggest that someone be disallowed if conditions require them to engage by using the disclaimer "Oh, I cannot do that!  I am a cook (baker, quartermaster, signalman, truck driver, whatever). 

Years ago I had a young man working for me who was dismayed because he was on a ship, in the Navy.  He said he had not expected to be on a ship.  I asked him had he never seen a war movie with ships, or a Navy recruiting poster?

 :rotf: :lmao: :lol:
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: seahorse513 on January 03, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
Unless I misunderstood the wording in the 'protect against all enemies, foreign....' and so on, this implies that everyone EVERYONE faces the possibility of combat.  Surely you do not suggest that someone be disallowed if conditions require them to engage by using the disclaimer "Oh, I cannot do that!  I am a cook (baker, quartermaster, signalman, truck driver, whatever). 

Years ago I had a young man working for me who was dismayed because he was on a ship, in the Navy.  He said he had not expected to be on a ship.  I asked him had he never seen a war movie with ships, or a Navy recruiting poster?

Physically, I might not be able to do combat, but If I had to drag a wounded soldier out of harm's way, then I would, If I could not drag him, I would stay with him/her till the end... nobody should die alone...
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DefiantSix on January 03, 2014, 02:01:26 PM
Physically, I might not be able to do combat, but If I had to drag a wounded soldier out of harm's way, then I would, If I could not drag him, I would stay with him/her till the end... nobody should die alone...

Unfortunately, "not dying alone" is not the standard.

"Mission first, then the men/women", and "leave no one behind", are the standard.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: seahorse513 on January 03, 2014, 02:15:11 PM
Unfortunately, "not dying alone" is not the standard.

"Mission first, then the men/women", and "leave no one behind", are the standard.

And I understand that the mission comes first, but even the bravest soldier should have the comfort of company in his last dying breaths.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DefiantSix on January 03, 2014, 02:32:18 PM
And I understand that the mission comes first, but even the bravest soldier should have the comfort of company in his last dying breaths.

That dying soldier put his butt on the chopping block to complete the mission he and his teammates were assigned. If you're stopping in the midst of a firefight to hold the guy's hand, instead of doing your job so that everybody else on the team can get home alive, is that dying man going to be grateful to you, or offended that you're wasting the sacrifice he's made and letting the team down?
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on January 03, 2014, 02:44:44 PM
Physically, I might not be able to do combat, but If I had to drag a wounded soldier out of harm's way, then I would, If I could not drag him, I would stay with him/her till the end... nobody should die alone...

You've seen too many movies.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: seahorse513 on January 03, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
That dying soldier put his butt on the chopping block to complete the mission he and his teammates were assigned. If you're stopping in the midst of a firefight to hold the guy's hand, instead of doing your job so that everybody else on the team can get home alive, is that dying man going to be grateful to you, or offended that you're wasting the sacrifice he's made and letting the team down?

So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: dane on January 03, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Physically, I might not be able to do combat, but If I had to drag a wounded soldier out of harm's way, then I would, If I could not drag him, I would stay with him/her till the end... nobody should die alone...
If one can truthfully say this, one should not be involved in combat - or in any of the armed forces, since every single member has the potential to be in combat.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DefiantSix on January 03, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...

No. He would want you to do your job, protect the rest of the team, and complete the mission. Then - when doing so doesn't put the rest of the team at risk and jeopardize the success of the mission - live up to the second part of the standard I mentioned above: "Leave no man behind".   
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 03, 2014, 03:28:48 PM
Sea, the basic paradigm of military leadership is this:
1.  Mission first
2.  Subordinates and peers second
3.  Yourself third.

Just about everything that goes wrong in an operation can be traced back to a failure at some level to follow this, except for instances where the mission itself was stupidly impossible for reasons either unknown or unconsidered.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: wasp69 on January 03, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...

What he wants is irrelevant to killing bad guys and breaking their stuff.  That's the focus, not the individual.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 03, 2014, 06:23:29 PM
So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...

Sea, take a look at this link, and read some of the stories.  These servicemen were interested in the mission, the mission, and the mission.  Period.

http://www.history.army.mil/moh/index.html
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: jtyangel on January 04, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
You've seen too many movies.

I have to agree with wasp and others here on this seahorse. You are a sweetie, but you are kinda proving another variation on why women are not fit for combat. While it is in the male nature to protect female, it is also in the female nature to be nurturers. That nature when the both are together in this situation can distract from what they are all their to do.

I think you are emotionalizing the reality of what those men(and yes women) are there to do and it really isn't to offer comfort to one another if it will jeopardize or interfere with the mission they are there to accomplish.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: AprilRazz on January 04, 2014, 06:18:29 PM
So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...
As a former Corpsman I can tell you this. We will do everything we can to get you out of harms way and to a place where medical care can be provided off the battlefield. But our priority is for those that can be saved. If you are wounded to the point that your death is imminent then we will do what is in our power to make you comfortable (morphine and the like) but you are now not a priority. It is the same in the civilian world to a point as well. But we will do everything we can to get you out. But I will not put mine or any of my Corpsmen or Marines lives in danger to remove your body or stay with you while you pass on. As it has been said "War is hell" and there are sacrifices that have to be made. While you may have died with nobody holding your hand you will be honored for the sacrifice you made and any service member will tell you that you are never alone.

Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: NHSparky on January 04, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
Sea--simply put, you staying with a mortally wounded buddy is nice in theory, but in battle, EVERY BODY COUNTS.  If you aren't helping achieve the mission, you're an impediment.  And if I can't trust you to do the mission, pretty please with sugar on top, GTFO.
Title: Re: Women Not Meeting Minimum Marine Corp Fitness Standards DU Rad Fems Chime In
Post by: GOBUCKS on January 05, 2014, 12:22:28 AM
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So he would want me to leave him to die in the trenches, even after the mission was completed? That seems kinda cold...

That attitude goes along with the democrat goal of making the military a social agency.

I've never begrudged a dime of taxes that go to the military, because I want them to be the best in the world at killing people and breaking things, and they are.

Touchy-feely attitudes are incompatible with the capability to kill people and break things.