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Star Member madfloridian (78,932 posts) Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:33 PM
In 2003 DLC said "fringes" in politics hung out at Dem Underground, mentioned Skinner by name.
It's amazing what pops into my head sometimes lately. I don't believe that was ever true, and I don't think it is true now. I think there is more factual stuff here backed up by sources than you are likely to see at the so-called mainstream corporate media news outlets.
This was at a time when Howard Dean's campaign was seen as a threat to the establishment Democrats, and those of us who worked for his campaign were seen as anti-war lunatics.
The DLC might be defunct, but the Third Way carries on the warnings to "liberals" to stay out of the way or they might get run over.
I finally found the archived link to Randolph Court's article in July 2003 called "Nothing but Net". It was a slam at the Dean campaign and most everyone on what he considered "the left".
Nothing but Net
When the books closed on the Democratic presidential aspirants' second-quarter fundraising drives, it was clear that Howard Dean's anti-war, anti-Bush rhetoric, combined with his use of the Internet, had successfully whipped up a sizable bloc of liberal, protest-oriented supporters in the early stages of the campaign. He had raised more than $10 million since the start of the year, much of it in small donations through the Web; well over 50,000 supporters were gathering to support him through Meetup.com; and he had won a 44-percent plurality in the straw poll staged by the online liberal activist group MoveOn.org. There was a fevered buzz: Dean, everyone surmised, had ascended into the "first tier" of presidential candidates.
But the buzz largely missed what should be an alarming revelation for Democrats: The Internet may be giving angry, protest-oriented activists the rope they need to hang the party. The vaunted new medium for grassroots political organizing may in fact be contributing to the Iowafication of the nominating process, disproportionately magnifying the voices of the activist groups with the loudest, most combative, and populist voices.
Actually the internet did give voice to the liberals of the party. But our purpose was not "to hang the party". Our purpose is and was to strengthen the party by making it stand for things Democrats have traditionally supported.
More...about that site where the fringe hangs out:
Certainly, the fringes of the political spectrum are active online on heavily trafficked discussion boards such as the left-wing democraticunderground.com and the right-wing freerepublic.com. Dean's fiery message resonates in the left-wing haunts. He is the favorite son on democraticunderground.com, according to the site's proprietor, David Allen, and the people posting on that site are an animated bunch. Much of what they post -- about Bush, and about moderate Democrats -- would not be appropriate to repeat here.
They really felt that way about us, that we were fringe. That's a shame because we were not fringe at all, in fact many of us started out as moderates. Many of our group were Republicans hungry for the truth at that time.
AND in my mind it is vital to remember other things said in 2004...why? Because the same thing is going on today. The targets of the wrath of the far right Democrats may be different...can you say Elizabeth Warren? However the message is the same...liberals will harm the party.
From USA Today in 2004...what the young New Democrats had to say about all us fringe leftists.
It's time to pass torch, younger Dems say
Only they did not mean to pass the torch to liberals. Far from it.
(Jamal)Simmons and his fellow "Young Turks" worry about the Democratic Party's dependence on interest groups, their relations with minority groups, the stereotypes that they are weak on defense and values, the Republican appropriation of the "reformer" label and the swaths of America that Democrats seem to have written off."
.."We respect the struggles of the feminist movement, the civil rights movement and Vietnam, but (we) are not defined by those struggles," says Kirsten Powers, 37, a New York-based strategist and commentator for Fox News. "We want to take what is good in liberalism and make it better, and get rid of what is not working."
..."Simmons, Powers and New York City-based consultant Dan Gerstein have been three of the bluntest commentators. "The party in certain respects is fossilized," says Gerstein, 37. "It's trapped in the last vestiges of the New Deal coalition. That coalition is no longer an electoral majority or even close to it."
A former aide to Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., Gerstein wrote in The Wall Street Journal that Democrats have "fallen right back into the elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead trap" they thought they'd escaped with Bill Clinton."
That's harsh stuff.."elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead".
Unfortunately for them there are more of us now than there were then.
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In 2003 DLC said "fringes" in politics hung out at Dem Underground, mentioned Skinner by name.
It's amazing what pops into my head sometimes lately. I don't believe that was ever true, and I don't think it is true now.
Lunatics don't think they're the crazy ones, either.
Many of our group were Republicans hungry for the truth at that time.
:whatever: Bull. Shit. The only Republicans, who perused your little Romper Room for the Psychotic in utter disbelief, were tombstoned at the first whiff.
I think there is more factual stuff here backed up by sources than you are likely to see at the so-called mainstream corporate media news outlets.
(http://ts2.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4504885078066817&pid=1.7)
"We respect the struggles of the feminist movement, the civil rights movement and Vietnam, but (we) are not defined by those struggles," says Kirsten Powers, 37, a New York-based strategist and commentator for Fox News. "We want to take what is good in liberalism and make it better, and get rid of what is not working."
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4820913030629436&pid=1.7)
There. I made it much better. Now, name something LIbEral that works.
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Lunatics don't think they're the crazy ones, either.
(http://ts2.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4504885078066817&pid=1.7)
My feelings exactly.
I got through about two paragraphs....then :panic:
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What is this Third Way they keep mentioning? It sounds like a Doomsday cult.
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What is this Third Way they keep mentioning? It sounds like a Doomsday cult.
Nice little group of Democrats:
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4804089647728691&pid=1.7)
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My feelings exactly.
I got through about two paragraphs....then :panic:
And the (D)Ullards think that the following is inaccurate?
Much of what they post -- about Bush, and about moderate Democrats -- would not be appropriate to repeat here.
Self-awareness (D)Ullards, How does it work? That's dead-on accurate.
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Star Member madfloridian (78,932 posts) Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:33 PM
In 2003 DLC said "fringes" in politics hung out at Dem Underground, mentioned Skinner by name.
It's amazing what pops into my head sometimes lately. I don't believe that was ever true, and I don't think it is true now. I think there is more factual stuff here backed up by sources than you are likely to see at the so-called mainstream corporate media news outlets.
No fringes at DU? And factual stuff? Backed up by sources?
1. Spooked911 and the great cinder block, chicken wire, and kerosene experiment.
2. Blackie the Ghost Chicken warning of the impending bird flu doom. Soon to be a SyFy Original movie.
3. UGP remote viewing after drinking organic pineapple juice.
4. UGP astrally traveling to panther mountain.
5. UGP being a male cat trapped in a female body.
6. Willie Pitt and 24 business hours until the Rove indictment.
7. Bush’s hurricane machine.
8. Bush’s earthquake machine.
9. Bush killing over a million Iraqi innocents in the first few days of the Gulf War.
10. Bush sinking Atlantis.
11. Not One Damn Dime day
12. Photos of hands
13. Hiding remote controls.
14. Bouncy Tales.
15. Chemtrails
16. MIHOP/LIHOP
17. Jeb's dead body hiding ice trucks.
18. Spirit guides who smell like cigarette smoke or bacon (I can’t remember which).
19. “If only we’d make guns illegal these murders would stop!â€
20. nadin
Looks like you're right. No fringes. Nothing but the facts, ma'am.
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Nice little group of Democrats:
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4804089647728691&pid=1.7)
They're still dimrats, they just vote in Chicago now.
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I read this last night and almost brought it over, but it was getting late. I'm glad it was posted here.
The primitives are the lunatic fringe of the Democrats who are, in turn, the lunatic fringe of the country. So the primitives are the kookiest of the kooks.
But even the mainstream kooks of the party realize that the kook fringe are a danger to their partys' existence. They know they have to feed them the populist rhetoric to get them to vote, but the days of the leaders being able to control these whackjobs is growing shorter. You can't keep feeding these nuts red meat year after year after year to get them to vote without, at some point, creating a monster.
However, the Dem leaders, who recognize these kooks for what they are, also control the purse strings. They cut these nuts loose and they lose elections. But keeping them on is poisoning the well, and they not only lose the Dem party, but the people as a whole lose the country. With the kook progressives at the helm, the hope for freedom, liberty, and justice for all flies out the window.
To me, the question comes down to what are the Dem leaders willing to do, how far are they willing to go, to whip these kooks back in line? Will they purposely withdrawn money from some candidates knowing they'll lose short-term in hopes of gaining long-term? It's a question the Dem party leaders need to be asking themselves seeing they're the one's who created these freaks.
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Nice little group of Democrats:
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4804089647728691&pid=1.7)
H5, as GMTA.
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Madfloridian's descent into insanity continues unchecked.
This last part of her post was a hoot:
A former aide to Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., Gerstein wrote in The Wall Street Journal that Democrats have "fallen right back into the elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead trap" they thought they'd escaped with Bill Clinton."
That's harsh stuff.."elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead".
Unfortunately for them there are more of us now than there were then.
True, but not in the way she meant it, at all.
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They know they have to feed them the populist rhetoric to get them to vote, but the days of the leaders being able to control these whackjobs is growing shorter. You can't keep feeding these nuts red meat year after year after year to get them to vote without, at some point, creating a monster.
No kidding. The DUmp is a prime example of how something can be fed, started, and grow to be not only self sustaining but also increase in output in a non linear manner.
It's almost like seeing an insanity perpetual motion machine come to life.
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No fringes at DU? And factual stuff? Backed up by sources?
3. UGP remote viewing after drinking organic pineapple juice. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x30189
4. UGP astrally traveling to panther mountain.
Looks like you're right. No fringes. Nothing but the facts, ma'am.
Do you have link to the panther mountain one? I found the one for the pineapple juice.
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No kidding. The DUmp is a prime example of how something can be fed, started, and grow to be not only self sustaining but also increase in output in a non linear manner.
It's almost like seeing an insanity perpetual motion machine come to life.
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4NzczNDk3OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjc0NDYyMQ@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg)
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says Kirsten Powers, 37
I guess they think Kirsten is a slut. She's pretty, wears knee high boots, short skirts, and enjoys having men look at her.
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I guess they think Kirsten is a slut. She's pretty, wears knee high boots, short skirts, and enjoys having men look at her.
And she recently revealed that she is an Evangelical Christian.
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Do you have link to the panther mountain one? I found the one for the pineapple juice.
Those were posted from memory based on a FlippyDoo Show that was a fictional interview with UGP that I did years ago on CU. I had links back then, but every thing was lost in a computer crash. I tried nadining it and couldn't find it.
I did find the below tidbits that could easily replace the panther mountain point.
undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore
Tue Aug-26-08 12:06 AM
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23. I basically
ruin their games and covert crap by exposing it. I have ZERO tolerance for bullies, narcissists little lord Fauntleroy's,and garden variety assholes.I tell them like it is,I give them one warning that they've crossed a boundary and they've pissed me off than..what happens next is up to them,If they show their ass I'll kick it proverbially and literally if need be .If they are a psy vamp I just load them up with so much of my energy, the crackling lightening most high energy,violently fierce high voltage stuff I have and I fire it right into them ,Blast 'em until they cannot possibly hold any more,but I do not stop, I send more, than ,even more,until they pop like swollen ticks in the astral,than I take my energy back, walk past the psy vamp and smirk at the smoldering aura blown to smithereens..They will not be ****ing with my energies any time soon,.
Link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x75013)
undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore
Sun Feb-11-07 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. They do
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 03:06 PM by undergroundpanther
There have been times when I have been going into surgery and lo and behold I see a glimpse of one of my cats. First time it happened I thought I hallucinated it. But the time I got my hysterectomy before I went in and I was waiting in one of those curtained gurney rooms,My cats showed up astrally in my room and one walked out into the hall. A few seconds later I overheard a nurse in the nurses station say to another nurse, "did you see that?" The nurse she was talking to said "whut?" She replied "that cat,a CAT, a cat loose in the hospital??!!".He replied no. She kept looking for the cat, she checked my room but by then the cats had left.
Also I have seen cat spirits.
Once a cat was hit, and I saw it as we drove past. I get this shock pain in my heart when a cat is dead in the road and I see the cat spirit.Well, that time it was so painful I had my ex pull over,to get the corpse out of the road. As I walked to where the dead cat was I saw what I thought was another cat coming out from the trees on the embankment. I called it to me, hoping to keep it safe and find it's home. The cat took a few steps toward me and faded away. So I turned my attention to the dead one on the road. I was dripping tears, and I reached down to scruff the dead cat and he was still warm.Freshly killed and I dropped to my knees in grief and got back up and placed the cat where his spirit asked, in a pine tree weed thicket.I laid him there curled him up into a cat ball like he was sleeping and put dandelions on him and called Sekhmet and Bast,to take him home and I realized the dead cat looked EXACTLY like the cat that I saw fade away.
Also My cat Bigfoot died a few years ago. I saw him as a fast flying orb of light, lit up the yard,so bright objects in the yard cast shadows as he flew past them and the ball stopped at his grave and sank into the Earth.That's how I was SURE it was Bigfoot.
Anyways this is how Bigfoot looked in life.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=36933&mesg_id=37065 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=36933&mesg_id=37065)
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=36933&mesg_id=37065 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=36933&mesg_id=37065)
It's starting to come into focus now...
http://s5.photobucket.com/user/UPanthera/media/impsmallest.jpg.html
:mental:
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I guess they think Kirsten is a slut. She's pretty, wears knee high boots, short skirts, and enjoys having men look at her.
Can't be, that would be against the rules.
seabeyond (90,797 posts)
348. quit slut shaming women. against du rules. nt