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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on December 03, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
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Omaha Steve (37,497 posts)
Will the Illinois Legislature Steal Public Workers’ Retirement Security? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024122235)
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/12/will-the-illinois-legislature-steal-public-workers-retirement-security/
By Liz Iacobucci | December 2, 2013
And so the campaign to eliminate our retirement security continues.
As everyone was leaving for Thanksgiving weekend, Illinois legislators announced a “bipartisan†plan to “bail out†the state’s public pension funds.
That was Wednesday. (LATE Wednesday.)
Details of the plan weren’t released until Friday. (Increased retirement age. Limits on COLAs. Prohibits collective bargaining regarding pensions. Prohibits use of pension funds for retiree health care. Etc.)
The actual bill was released today. (All 325 pages of it.)
FULL story at link.
Read “Going behind the rhetoric on public employee pensions†here.
Read “Detroit’s pension systems: not ‘unaffordable’, just battered by Wall Street†here.
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About Liz Iacobucci
Liz Iacobucci is the former Public Information Officer for the State Employees’ Association of New Hampshire, SEIU Local 1984. Over the past three decades, she has served in government at the federal, state and municipal levels; and she has worked for both Democratic and Republican politicians.
beachbum bob (199 posts)
1. illinois has a pension mess
and something needs to be done. Giving out 3% COLA on retirees's pensions...when inflation is less than that cost the taxpayers of Illinois. Why should public sector retirees have it better than the average Illinois private sector worker when it comes to retirement? I like to see rules in place that disallow double dipping, disallow collecting a pension benefit if working another job....Illinois taxpayers are stretched as federal govt and state govt has pushed so much cost onto the locals.
Omaha Steve (37,497 posts)
2. Retirees have it better than the average Illinois private sector worker when it comes to retirement?
Many public workers make LESS than private workers their entire career. Or maybe because we are required to educate at our expense for licensees required to do our job. And paying for required continuing education. That means class, travel, seminars, etc.
I went to school at my expense for the glorious job of cleaning water that came from your toilet. People that want to apply were required to visit the dirty parts of the plants. Over 500 to 1 decided against playing in doo doo water. Same with storm and sanitary sewer workers.
CDL's for the guys that drive the snow plow. Because of the driver shortage nationwide, most would earn more take home IF they left the government job. Do you want your street plowed by a qualified safe driver or not when it snows?
NCIC etc. to work in the police dept as a back up civilian like I do now. I got hurt at the treatment plant and was demoted to an IST police position. We also have to have background clearance that a large portion of the public won't pass.
Job after job requires time, experience, dedication, and an investment of workers time and $.
And just why don't YOU apply for a job in public service IF it is so great? Don't like playing in doo doo water perhaps?
beachbum bob (199 posts)
6. how many private sector jobs have 11 paid holidays, the 10 sick days and 3 weeks vacation?
Illinois public workers are neither underpaid or overworked.....many state workers work a 37 hr work week and get paid for 40hrs. They get overtime pay at 1.5x or equivalent comp time. How many salaried illinois private sector workers get paid anything for overtime?
Illinois public workers (at the State level) have a pension system AND a 401k system available (no state contribution to it).
The teacher's retirement system is even more skewed. Local school districts (except for the Chicago School District) pay nothing into the teacher retirement system except the teacher's portion from their paycheck...the taxpayers of Illinois picks up that tab. So local districts can negotiate the teacher's contracts and NOT have to pay into the teachers retirement system for what they sign on to. Factor in the universities, where tenured professors can get paid sabbaticals for year every few years and its easy to see how the taxpayer in Illinois is getting it in the rear.
Illinois politicians have been out of control for 40 years and we have run away cost today because of it. I don't want to hear whining about how bad off public sector employees have it.....so many can draw a pension (if you come from corrections or state police) after just working 20 years, take another job...and get another pension while drawing a check from the first one...
Omaha Steve (37,497 posts)
9. You make a great case for joining a union
Your comparison seems to be against non-unionized workers. Again it seems you should join a union for your workplace. Why don't you have a contract at your job?
My wife is salaried. Her employer paid for most of her MASTERS. She isn't unionized. She has better time off than "11 paid holidays, the 10 sick days and 3 weeks vacation". She has 3 weeks to burn before Jan. one or she will lose them.
Are you upset many workers draw a military pension and go to public work in Illinois because of their learned military skills?
I agree with you on several points. My union is fighting double dippers too. Even the elected pension board members and the accountants are against it it. Yet the city continues to do it.
Stay tuned.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
No, you moron. This is the polar opposite for having unions.
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Man, its been awhile since I can recall The Weeper posting anything that long.
Who knew that Steve had such a soft spot for turds.
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Retirees have it better IN retirement than the average Illinois private sector worker working?
FIXORD!!!
Same is true in the PRoC and any other leftist controlled state.
Another thing; a government worker is more likely to die while performing their job than be fired.
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For folks that live to pit one group against another they sure hate to be on the "attacked" side.
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Only Steve could brag about playing in poop water and cleaning drunk vomit out of the back of patrol cars.
The revaluation that he prepared for this career his whole life is enlightening.
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Only Steve could brag about playing in poop water and cleaning drunk vomit out of the back of patrol cars.
The revaluation that he prepared for this career his whole life is enlightening.
Say Steve is doing honest work that someone has to do, Same as Ed Norton who cleaned sewers in NYC on the Jackie Gleason show.
Public works has many faces, many jobs and some can be life threatening. Ever wonder what the men and woman that have to do to climb 200 feet in the air to repair cables on a bridge. How about the lines men that come in after an ice storm to repair downed lines with the wind whipping up to 30 miles an hour and the chill factor at -10 degrees.
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Vesta
Steve no longer works for the water works.
Just thought I'd let you know.
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I went to school at my expense for the glorious job of cleaning water that came from your toilet.
....playing in doo doo water
I had no idea they had recess periods at sewer school.
We've finally found the right teaching job for Pam Dawson.
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The democrat Mayor of San Jose CA is monkeying around with a statewide ballot measure to reduce pensions. And he's the mayor of one of the richest cities in the country.
http://www.mercurynews.com/pensions/ci_24606742/san-jose-mayor-chuck-reeds-state-pension-measure
California has about $850 billion in unfunded liabilities. I suspect a big chunk of that is related to public pensions.
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I was surprised to see the comments at the DUmp against the holy, sacred government employee.
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beachbum bob (199 posts)
6. how many private sector jobs have 11 paid holidays, the 10 sick days and 3 weeks vacation?
Illinois public workers are neither underpaid or overworked.....many state workers work a 37 hr work week and get paid for 40hrs. They get overtime pay at 1.5x or equivalent comp time. How many salaried illinois private sector workers get paid anything for overtime?
All the more reason we need to socialize all those private companies and make everyone become craft workers for the state, where it works well like Cuba, North Korea, and worked well in the former USSR before the evil Rethuglicans caused the downfall of a great country. /endDUmpmode
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I see that beachbum bob is at 199 posts. I thought skinner would have offered up the iron handshake before this. He has recked up >100 posts in the last week or so.
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Omaha Steve (37,497 posts)
2. Retirees have it better blah blah blah blah...
Congratulations, fatass! That is one of the biggest, bullshit filled, completely-missed-the-point, non sequiturs I have ever seen. :thatsright:
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Congratulations, fatass! That is one of the biggest, bullshit filled, completely-missed-the-point, non sequiturs I have ever seen. :thatsright:
DUmmies in general have cornered the market on non-sequiturs, false analogies and other assorted bull-shit arguments.
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Doo doo water? I know DUmmies have the minds of children, but this is a bit over the top.
Then again it's Obama Steve so no surprise.
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DUmmies in general have cornered the market on non-sequiturs, false analogies and other assorted bull-shit arguments.
I'm amazed one has not yet suffered massive burns from accidentally setting their strawmen on fire while lighting the bong.
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Interesting rant . would have been great if it had been filled with more truth then BS. The City of Omaha has had private snow plow operators help plow the streets for some time now and all without a major accident on their part so I guess it doesn't really matter if your a fat assed union driver or not. Not to mention the fact that anyone here could probably name a career where they had to also pay for all the time and materials and travel to learn something related to the job they seek and they don't go online bitching that it's a better quality level of work then some shlub that went in and didn't join some ****ed up Union.
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It's called SHITwater, Stevie, not doo doo water
Real men say SHIT, because real men feel like damned fools saying doo doo!
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Doo doo water? I know DUmmies have the minds of children, but this is a bit over the top.
Then again it's Obama Steve so no surprise.
Yup--he's been showing the effects of playing in it for too long. :whistling:
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Weird, nadin has got poo on her mind today too.
Response to riqster (Reply #87)
nadinbrzezinski (128,056 posts) Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:29 PM
88. Since you are comparing an illegal act with a legal act
and ignoring the rest that were illegal, as I said, my table shakes at times in acknowledgment. At least I know the cause.
Partisans are predictable, no matter which party.
Now I really need to get to work on a tad of dirty poo, real dirty poo. I promise, no Nader in this production.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4127179
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Well now, time for another Pepsi challenge.
A brand new car from Oprah to anyone who can translate this nadinese gibberish into English:
Response to riqster (Reply #87)
nadinbrzezinski (128,056 posts) Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:29 PM
88. Since you are comparing an illegal act with a legal act
and ignoring the rest that were illegal, as I said, my table shakes at times in acknowledgment. At least I know the cause.
Partisans are predictable, no matter which party.
Now I really need to get to work on a tad of dirty poo, real dirty poo. I promise, no Nader in this production.
That right there is a DOTY post.
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Well now, time for another Pepsi challenge.
A brand new car from Oprah to anyone who can translate this nadinese gibberish into English:
That right there is a DOTY post.
My translator said, "No ****ing way am I touching that shit! I'm on strike!"
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Omaha Steve
I went to school at my expense for the glorious job of cleaning water that came from your toilet.
Steve showed an early aptitude for the work.
(http://www.alexcityfamilies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/278635_10101060553643874_2687949_o1-644x320.jpg)
From each according to his ability...
Welcome to your socialist workers' paradise, Steve.
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Interesting rant . would have been great if it had been filled with more truth then BS. The City of Omaha has had private snow plow operators help plow the streets for some time now and all without a major accident on their part so I guess it doesn't really matter if your a fat assed union driver or not. Not to mention the fact that anyone here could probably name a career where they had to also pay for all the time and materials and travel to learn something related to the job they seek and they don't go online bitching that it's a better quality level of work then some shlub that went in and didn't join some ****ed up Union.
Good points you make. The specific mention of CDLs for showplow drivers is kind of funny to me personally because I happen to have a class B CDL with airbrake and tanker endoursement. I have this because I'm a volunteer firefighter. But I've never driven anything other than fire trucks and a church bus. And the bus experience was before CDLs were a requirement. The thought of little old me just jumping into a snow plow because I have a certain license is, well, goofy. I wouldn't want to go near one.
One other detail about the CDL I have is that the cost of my drivers license is higher than just having a regular DL. I pay that extra cost. Also, CDL ( i don't mean to lecture anyone) the points issued for infractions or DWI is different for CDL holders. If a moving violation has 2 points for a regular driver, it, the same violation gets the CDL driver 4 points. The regular DL holder is impaired at .08 the CDL is impared at .04. All this so that I can put out fires and cut people out of their wrecked cars for no salary.
I think also it is highly unlikey that a public employee would be required to pay out of pocket for any required training after they become a public employee.
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Flushed from the bathroom of your heart......Johnny Cash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4J1fjuKdg
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I went to school at my expense for the glorious job of cleaning water that came from your toilet.
Can't figure out what that degree would be in.
I'm guessing a BS in BS.
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Can't figure out what that degree would be in.
I'm guessing a BS in BS.
With a minor in snagging condoms with a fishing net fixed to the end of a long pole.
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Good points you make. The specific mention of CDLs for showplow drivers is kind of funny to me personally because I happen to have a class B CDL with airbrake and tanker endoursement
But no backing-up certificate?
rsmithnumbers has an airport shuttle CDL, with a forward-only restriction on it.
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But no backing-up certificate?
rsmithnumbers has an airport shuttle CDL, with a forward-only restriction on it.
The "B" part is the "Backing up" endorsement.
You need the "A", for "All". :-)
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The "B" part is the "Backing up" endorsement.
You need the "A", for "All". :-)
DUmmies rsmithnumbers and Ohmygod Stevie CDLs have the "A" endorsement, for "Asshole".
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DUmmies rsmithnumbers and Ohmygod Stevie CDLs have the "A" endorsement, for "Asshole".
In that event, it's an "AA", endorsement. :whistling:
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DUmmies rsmithnumbers and Ohmygod Stevie CDLs have the "A" endorsement, for "Asshole".
Doesn't the rsmith primitive look just as stupid as he sounds? His looks and level of intelligence are like hand in glove.