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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 24, 2013, 09:44:20 AM
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Your master, Skinner, has a decreed that you are not free to quote CC at length as we do here with your posts. "It gives them undue attention and promotion," you are told by your master. Presumably, this means he does not want to provide another avenue to promulgate our views.
Yet, whenever we post your burblings you howl like rhesus monkeys with electrodes strapped to your balls. You complain about stalking and you threaten legal action (heh).
How come what is promulgation for us is stalking for you?
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By their definition, going to the zoo, and laughing at the monkeys on the island, is "stalking".
Going to the zoo every day, costs money.
Why do that, when all I need to do is visit the DUmp?
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By their definition, going to the zoo, and laughing at the monkeys on the island, is "stalking".
Going to the zoo every day, costs money.
Why do that, when all I need to do is visit the DUmp?
I never cared much for monkeys either.
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I never cared much for monkeys either.
Me either. They throw poop.
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Me either. They throw poop.
So do DUmmies, but mostly at each other.
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They want a fenced in sandbox with some controlling authority protecting them.
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
I don't know, you could try it here?
You admit to being a DUmmie so that's half the battle, what have you got to lose?
It should be fairly easy, don't sabotage conservatives, don't lie about yourself and (if/when) you engage conservatives in conversation don't move the goalposts and build strawmen.
You should start an interesting thread and see if your ideas stand up.
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
DUmbasses don`t amuse me...you disgust me.
Your obsession with having every want and desire handed to you free of charge is taking this country to the place leftism always lands...economic collapse.
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I don't know, you could try it here?
You admit to being a DUmmie so that's half the battle, what have you got to lose?
It should be fairly easy, don't sabotage conservatives, don't lie about yourself and (if/when) you engage conservatives in conversation don't move the goalposts and build strawmen.
You should start an interesting thread and see if your ideas stand up.
I wasn't sure if it was allowed, so I'd just been lurking, but I did respond to another post. I'm Moriah. I'm currently on MIRT but not active -- life intervened.
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I wasn't sure if it was allowed, so I'd just been lurking, but I did respond to another post. I'm Moriah. I'm currently on MIRT but not active -- life intervened.
I'm not sure what you mean by "allowed".
Give it a shot, what's the worst that can happen MIRT person? Get the ban hammer?
Start a thread, be honest to yourself and us. Test your beliefs against a critical audience or go back to DU.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "allowed".
Give it a shot, what's the worst that can happen MIRT person? Get the ban hammer?
Start a thread, be honest to yourself and us. Test your beliefs against a critical audience or go back to DU.
DU doesn't allow Conservatives, even admitted ones, to post. RedState allows liberals to post if the admit they are liberal and are polite and respectful that it's a Conservative home. If your rules are more like RedState's than DU, then cool, I'll be happy to post and see if you think I'm an okay contributor.
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I wasn't sure if it was allowed, so I'd just been lurking, but I did respond to another post. I'm Moriah. I'm currently on MIRT but not active -- life intervened.
Unlike the DUmp you will not be banned from here by posting a liberal position.
You will be challenged on it so be prepared to defend it.
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DU doesn't allow Conservatives, even admitted ones, to post. RedState allows liberals to post if the admit they are liberal and are polite and respectful that it's a Conservative home. If your rules are more like RedState's than DU, then cool, I'll be happy to post and see if you think I'm an okay contributor.
Like I said, be true to yourself, don't move the goalposts and don't build strawmen.
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By their definition, going to the zoo, and laughing at the monkeys on the island, is "stalking".
Going to the zoo every day, costs money.
Why do that, when all I need to do is visit the DUmp?
Summing up the island and why they don't find it all that funny:
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1375721/monkey-smells-finger-o.gif)
Guess I would be embarrassed too if my political and social views could be portrayed in the above pic.
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
I don't find your kind amusing.
I find your kind disgusting.
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Do they know stalking even is? If I recall, some DUmmies did that before. They like imagining being victims of something. :mental:
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Some of biggest bitchers about "cyber-stalking" and "cyber-bullying" are the ones that have been c/p from freerepublic for over ten years - Judy and Eva in particular. If my employee had done what Doug did, then went on a kooky message board and bragged about it, I'd want to know that.
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Some of biggest bitchers about "cyber-stalking" and "cyber-bullying" are the ones that have been c/p from freerepublic for over ten years - Judy and Eva in particular. If my employee had done what Doug did, then went on a kooky message board and bragged about it, I'd want to know that.
CC is the only place I can put my insane ideas on and not get clobbered very often or sent a packing.
I appreciate the members as they do not boot me out the door as DU does with those that disagree with the ideas of others.
Some where there has to be someone who understands what I am trying to say. Perhaps I do not state my ideas with equivalence and or what ever, but CC has allowed me to post for what ever their own reasons and It has been great fun so far.
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Some where there has to be someone who understands what I am trying to say.
:rofl:
Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.
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Some of biggest bitchers about "cyber-stalking" and "cyber-bullying" are the ones that have been c/p from freerepublic for over ten years - Judy and Eva in particular. If my employee had done what Doug did, then went on a kooky message board and bragged about it, I'd want to know that.
Bingo! :exactly:
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Some where there has to be someone who understands what I am trying to say.
That earned you an H5. (We're still looking for that person, BTW. :tongue: )
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.....I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing.....
Surely you jest, madam.
Watching the primitives is funnier than watching those old black-and-white "Three Stooges" movies.
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What? A forum that allows dissent? Really? Could there be such a utopia.
Get real chick. DU is not the standard. If you have something to say, say it. If we disagree with you we'll let you know but WE won't ban you. DU has obviously clouded your judgement.
KC
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I wasn't sure if it was allowed, so I'd just been lurking, but I did respond to another post. I'm Moriah. I'm currently on MIRT but not active -- life intervened.
It is allowed. Where it breaks down, usually, is when the new-comer tries the typical tactics used at DU and doesn't argue in a rationable fashion.
for example:
DUmpmonkie: Bush lied us into war with tails of WMDs.
CC-er: There has been much evidence presented to show there were chemical WMDs, although no nuclear program, which ironically enough, seems to have been a Saddam propaganda attempt to get NATO not to attack him.
DU: No there isn't/
CC-er: links documents.
Other CC-er: I was there in Iraq in 2003 in the Army and we uncovered many many tons of chemicals used in WMDs near a rocket compound. See this documentation.
DU: You Lie!
and it rapidly goes down-hill and many CC-er poking and picking on the poor DU-er until he/she/it expoldes and gets banned.
BUT- Good luck!
...and a bitchslap.
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CC is the only place I can put my insane ideas on and not get clobbered very often or sent a packing.
I appreciate the members as they do not boot me out the door as DU does with those that disagree with the ideas of others.
Some where there has to be someone who understands what I am trying to say. Perhaps I do not state my ideas with equivalence and or what ever, but CC has allowed me to post for what ever their own reasons and It has been great fun so far.
Um.... no.
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
Hi 5 for having the brass to show up.
Pick you're topic; I'll play.
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I wasn't sure if it was allowed, so I'd just been lurking, but I did respond to another post. I'm Moriah. I'm currently on MIRT but not active -- life intervened.
Liberals are welcome here, as long as you don't think cheapshots substitute for intelligence (DUmmie Laelth) or that propaganda and seething hatred are endearing qualities (DUmmie Bainsbane).
Second, there is no Thoughtcrime Einsatzgruppen on CC. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's good or bad.
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CC is the only place I can put my insane ideas on and not get clobbered very often or sent a packing.
Oh, you get clobbered, dearest. Believe me.
And yes, they are insane.
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There was a web site called Neutural Underground that supposedly allowed both sides to post and have their say. I found that if any person that had conservative views called out a liberal their on theirs the Admins would do everything they could from sending Pm's to the conservatives to outright bans to protect the liberals. The result of all that was the Conservatives left and the site folded after a short time. So it's been tried but in that case it failed.
Here you may find some are conservative and others more libertarian. One thing though is we don't stalk anyone. One or more of our members here have had their employers called or their chain of Command in the military not once but several times and harassed on line in the forums they reside on. So just cut and pastings of things posted on a public forum does not meet the definition of stalking.
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There was a web site called Neutural Underground that supposedly allowed both sides to post and have their say. I found that if any person that had conservative views called out a liberal their on theirs the Admins would do everything they could from sending Pm's to the conservatives to outright bans to protect the liberals. The result of all that was the Conservatives left and the site folded after a short time. So it's been tried but in that case it failed.
Here you may find some are conservative and others more libertarian. One thing though is we don't stalk anyone. One or more of our members here have had their employers called or their chain of Command in the military not once but several times and harassed on line in the forums they reside on. So just cut and pastings of things posted on a public forum does not meet the definition of stalking.
NU ceased to exist last year. It was already non active as many members left from 2008 to 2010.
I remember the Clown Posse. What a bunch scumbags! :mental: I also remember DUmmies harassing some banned DUmmies who posted at CU.
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Since you asked a proglodyte....
It's only stalking, to me, when information is used outside of posting on here to make fun of DUers. For example, if someone learned my address and phone number and sent me threatening letters or phone calls or texts.
Or, if you only make accounts to get up to 50 posts to PM and then message people mean things on DU.
Other than that.... I think it's rather amusing that conservatives find us so amusing. I do wish there was a forum where Libs and Conservatives could have rational, sane discussion. But I'm sure both sides would think that impossible, for various different reasons. (I've been a good houseguest at Redstate using the same name I use on DU).
I used to find you leftists amusing, but as more and more of your policies are becoming reality I am starting to have nothing but contempt for you. You people roasted Bush for an unemployment rate of 4.5% then just a few years later 7.9% was said to be a roaring economy.
I'm sick of the propaganda coming from your president and I'm sick of you leftists repeating his lies and screeching racist at anyone who doesn't agree. Your catchphrase when Bush was in president, ( not a grammatical error I'm making fun of the Obamaphone woman), was dissent is patriotic, now you people call for dissenting repukes to be jailed for sabotaging the law.
I'm sick of your elitist attitude where you think you know whether people's insurance plans are junk or not, or how you determine we can't be trusted with guns. You can take your big government and shove it up your ass.
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I used to find you leftists amusing, but as more and more of your policies are becoming reality I am starting to have nothing but contempt for you. You people roasted Bush for an unemployment rate of 4.5% then just a few years later 7.9% was said to be a roaring economy.
I'm sick of the propaganda coming from your president and I'm sick of you leftists repeating his lies and screeching racist at anyone who doesn't agree. Your catchphrase when Bush was in president, ( not a grammatical error I'm making fun of the Obamaphone woman), was dissent is patriotic, now you people call for dissenting repukes to be jailed for sabotaging the law.
I'm sick of your elitist attitude where you think you know whether people's insurance plans are junk or not, or how you determine we can't be trusted with guns. You can take your big government and shove it up your ass.
:exactly:
I can't add anything to this. It's perfect.
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NU ceased to exist last year. It was already non active as many members left from 2008 to 2010.
I remember the Clown Posse. What a bunch scumbags! :mental: I also remember DUmmies harassing some banned DUmmies who posted at CU.
Yeah The Clown Posse were a special bunch of genetic mistakes alright.And of course we all here will never forget the Ronulans who also took joy in chasing us out of the old home.
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Yeah The Clown Posse were a special bunch of genetic mistakes alright.And of course we all here will never forget the Ronulans who also took joy in chasing us out of the old home.
I visited CP a couple of times as a lurker and was more sickened by them then the DUmp.
At least with DUmbasses you know deep down most are mentally and emotionally stunted so hardly know better.
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I used to find you leftists amusing, but as more and more of your policies are becoming reality I am starting to have nothing but contempt for you. You people roasted Bush for an unemployment rate of 4.5% then just a few years later 7.9% was said to be a roaring economy.
I'm sick of the propaganda coming from your president and I'm sick of you leftists repeating his lies and screeching racist at anyone who doesn't agree. Your catchphrase when Bush was in president, ( not a grammatical error I'm making fun of the Obamaphone woman), was dissent is patriotic, now you people call for dissenting repukes to be jailed for sabotaging the law.
I'm sick of your elitist attitude where you think you know whether people's insurance plans are junk or not, or how you determine we can't be trusted with guns. You can take your big government and shove it up your ass.
I agree with you. I have grown resentful of the hypocrisy and attempts to control the lives of the American people.
However, the worst thing to me is how liberals think that somehow the financial security that my husband and I have sacrificed to build up all these years should somehow be redistributed among people who haven't earned it. We have lived responsibly and paid our own way so that we would not have to be taken care of by anyone. President Obama and liberals seem to think we are selfish because we might have built up a nest egg to take care of ourselves and that they should be able to tap into that to redistribute however they wish.
It pisses me off. You just don't f****** mess with people and their money. If we want to be charitable, we will be charitable. If we can't or don't want to, that's OUR DECISION.
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:exactly:
I can't add anything to this. It's perfect.
Thank you!
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I agree with you. I have grown resentful of the hypocrisy and attempts to control the lives of the American people.
However, the worst thing to me is how liberals think that somehow the financial security that my husband and I have sacrificed to build up all these years should somehow be redistributed among people who haven't earned it. We have lived responsibly and paid our own way so that we would not have to be taken care of by anyone. President Obama and liberals seem to think we are selfish because we might have built up a nest egg to take care of ourselves and that they should be able to tap into that to redistribute however they wish.
It pisses me off. You just don't f****** mess with people and their money. If we want to be charitable, we will be charitable. If we can't or don't want to, that's OUR DECISION.
Well you silly teahadist don't you know it isn't fair that you and your husband didn't blow all your money on weed and Cheetos? Not everyone has the discipline to pay their bills and save money for their own retirement, so it's only fair that those who choose poorly should be able to dip in to your savings account. Sadly some folks from DU will agree with that.
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Yeah The Clown Posse were a special bunch of genetic mistakes alright.And of course we all here will never forget the Ronulans who also took joy in chasing us out of the old home.
If I recall, the Clown Posse were 100 Perecenters and Ronulans.
I visited CP a couple of times as a lurker and was more sickened by them then the DUmp.
At least with DUmbasses you know deep down most are mentally and emotionally stunted so hardly know better.
I lurked at CP and was appalled. They are a scary bunch! :o :bolt:
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I used to find you leftists amusing, but as more and more of your policies are becoming reality I am starting to have nothing but contempt for you. You people roasted Bush for an unemployment rate of 4.5% then just a few years later 7.9% was said to be a roaring economy.
I'm sick of the propaganda coming from your president and I'm sick of you leftists repeating his lies and screeching racist at anyone who doesn't agree. Your catchphrase when Bush was in president, ( not a grammatical error I'm making fun of the Obamaphone woman), was dissent is patriotic, now you people call for dissenting repukes to be jailed for sabotaging the law.
I'm sick of your elitist attitude where you think you know whether people's insurance plans are junk or not, or how you determine we can't be trusted with guns. You can take your big government and shove it up your ass.
Bravo! :clap:
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I agree with you. I have grown resentful of the hypocrisy and attempts to control the lives of the American people.
However, the worst thing to me is how liberals think that somehow the financial security that my husband and I have sacrificed to build up all these years should somehow be redistributed among people who haven't earned it. We have lived responsibly and paid our own way so that we would not have to be taken care of by anyone. President Obama and liberals seem to think we are selfish because we might have built up a nest egg to take care of ourselves and that they should be able to tap into that to redistribute however they wish.
It was much, much easier to defend liberal tax and redistribution policies when I was working full-time and paying more taxes as a single person with no kids than my other coworkers. I never complained about the fact I was paying more because they had larger families and child tax credits, even though our salaries were averaging the same. It seemed fair since I could afford it more than they could. Now that I'm on the taking end insofar as becoming a participant in my state's Medicaid expansion, those arguments become much harder to make. I still pay some taxes, but your tax dollars are going to buy me a plan on the Exchange. That's not something I can tell you is right, all I can say is that I'm grateful and hopeful that proper medical and psychiatric treatment will actually save taxpayers money in the end.
It pisses me off. You just don't f****** mess with people and their money. If we want to be charitable, we will be charitable. If we can't or don't want to, that's OUR DECISION.
See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
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It was much, much easier to defend liberal tax and redistribution policies when I was working full-time and paying more taxes as a single person with no kids than my other coworkers. I never complained about the fact I was paying more because they had larger families and child tax credits, even though our salaries were averaging the same. It seemed fair since I could afford it more than they could. Now that I'm on the taking end insofar as becoming a participant in my state's Medicaid expansion, those arguments become much harder to make. I still pay some taxes, but your tax dollars are going to buy me a plan on the Exchange. That's not something I can tell you is right, all I can say is that I'm grateful and hopeful that proper medical and psychiatric treatment will actually save taxpayers money in the end.
See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
Consider the fact that our own vice president, Joe Biden, gives very little of his money to charity. But he sure screams that there are PEOPLE IN NEED. In fact, we give MORE to charity than Biden has ever done. The Obamas never gave to charity until they needed to, to make themselves look good to voters.
We NEVER give money to the Red Cross, United Way, or any of these other national charities because far too much of it goes to "administrative costs," and far too little goes to those actually in need.
The liberals in government don't care about those in need. Those in need are just pawns in the liberal party's need for power and control over those tax dollars. I liken it to a silly child's game. Hand Barack Obama one hundred $1 bills and there will be two stacks. The stack with $2 in it goes to the people in need. The stack with $98 goes to administrative costs, lobbyists, and government employees.
And there's the problem, and that is why people are so resentful of having to hand over their hard-earned money to the government.
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Consider the fact that our own vice president, Joe Biden, gives very little of his money to charity. But he sure screams that there are PEOPLE IN NEED. In fact, we give MORE to charity than Biden has ever done. The Obamas never gave to charity until they needed to, to make themselves look good to voters.
We NEVER give money to the Red Cross, United Way, or any of these other national charities because far too much of it goes to "administrative costs," and far too little goes to those actually in need.
The liberals in government don't care about those in need. Those in need are just pawns in the liberal party's need for power and control over those tax dollars. I liken it to a silly child's game. Hand Barack Obama one hundred $1 bills and there will be two stacks. The stack with $2 in it goes to the people in need. The stack with $98 goes to administrative costs, lobbyists, and government employees.
And there's the problem, and that is why people are so resentful of having to hand over their hard-earned money to the government.
Exactly.
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It was much, much easier to defend liberal tax and redistribution policies when I was working full-time and paying more taxes as a single person with no kids than my other coworkers. I never complained about the fact I was paying more because they had larger families and child tax credits, even though our salaries were averaging the same. It seemed fair since I could afford it more than they could. Now that I'm on the taking end insofar as becoming a participant in my state's Medicaid expansion, those arguments become much harder to make. I still pay some taxes, but your tax dollars are going to buy me a plan on the Exchange. That's not something I can tell you is right, all I can say is that I'm grateful and hopeful that proper medical and psychiatric treatment will actually save taxpayers money in the end.
See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
The world doesn't owe anyone a damn thing, this notion that people like you are owed part of our hard earned money is insane. When I make a dollar that dollar is mine and supposed to go to me taking care of myself, I don't need nor do I want anyone taking money from me to give to you so someone else can claim to care about you. Conservatives typically will give the shirt off our back to someone in need, however we resent it when you come to our house and start handing out our shirts to other people who will also demand a pair of pants to go with the shirt.
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"And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing."
Are you sure about that?
Outside very leftish thinking, forcing an individual to buy a product or service simply because they are alive is an affront, on a personal level, to any definition of the word "liberty".
On top of that, its a federal power grab of outlandish dimension.
Yeah, you heard the hornets nest getting poked, and heard some buzzing, but remember this - cACA is the stick that keeps on poking. It can't be forgotten, and no event or lack there of will put it on the back burner in the minds of any significant number of people.
I suspect '14 and '16 are going to be painful lessons to this effect.
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See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
Assume for a moment that I am the most stingy, miserly, mean-spirited rabbit you could ever have the misfortune to meet.
It's still not your job to steal from me in service to others.
I defy you to provide for me any objective proof that I owe anyone anything.
If you say, "We democratically passed a law" I will point out I can just as easily pass a law to let the poor fend for themselves.
If you appeal to religion I will demand you go the whole way.
If you claim some nebulous mantel of "decency" I am prepared to force you to impose decency by the barrel of a gun and show you just how indecent you really will become.
Wanna dance?
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It was much, much easier to defend liberal tax and redistribution policies when I was working full-time and paying more taxes as a single person with no kids than my other coworkers. I never complained about the fact I was paying more because they had larger families and child tax credits, even though our salaries were averaging the same. It seemed fair since I could afford it more than they could. Now that I'm on the taking end insofar as becoming a participant in my state's Medicaid expansion, those arguments become much harder to make. I still pay some taxes, but your tax dollars are going to buy me a plan on the Exchange. That's not something I can tell you is right, all I can say is that I'm grateful and hopeful that proper medical and psychiatric treatment will actually save taxpayers money in the end.
See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
It is truly liberalism that has broken the darwinian cycle. You people keep taking from the ones who make it in life, and give to the ones that should not have.
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There is a huge difference between a safety social net and entitlement laws.
The producers will (and have been) moving to other countries that don't punish productivity. Once they are all gone and have taken the jobs with them who is going to be left to support the entitlement crowd?
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The producers will (and have been) moving to other countries that don't punish productivity. Once they are all gone and have taken the jobs with them who is going to be left to support the entitlement crowd?
Hmmm... Who is John Galt?
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Assume for a moment that I am the most stingy, miserly, mean-spirited rabbit you could ever have the misfortune to meet.
It's still not your job to steal from me in service to others.
I defy you to provide for me any objective proof that I owe anyone anything.
If you say, "We democratically passed a law" I will point out I can just as easily pass a law to let the poor fend for themselves.
If you appeal to religion I will demand you go the whole way.
If you claim some nebulous mantel of "decency" I am prepared to force you to impose decency by the barrel of a gun and show you just how indecent you really will become.
Wanna dance? [ Quote/ ]
After 911 the red cross received millions of dollars to dispense among the victim family's . Funny thing Most of the money we sent to the family's never got there.
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Me either. They throw poop.
They're like their hairless kinfolk at DU.
They hang around all day doing nothing.
They masturbate or butt plug another monkeys ass several times a day and think that it's normal.
The only thing that they want the banana for is the peel.
They stink.
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Conservatives are far more charitable and are glad to do so. Liberals are selfish with their own money (and weed) but very generous when it comes to passing out other people's money.
Conservatives want people - all people - to reach their full God-given potential in life. We don't care what color or gender they are.
Conservatives also believe there are people in this country who need taxpayer help. If someone is truly disabled, then let's help them out. What we disagree with are women who have baby after baby without any means of support other than Big Daddy Government. We also believe that illegal alien (sorry, will not be politically correct and will always call illegal aliens what they are - illegal aliens) women who sneak into this country to have a baby to take advantage of the American taxpayer need to be deported and their child not given citizenship.
I've really had it with liberals wanting more and more from working people and using the government to get it. It's got to stop.
In my opinion, liberals are lacking a common sense intelligence gene. You continue to vote for people who are ruining this country and the people in it.
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Conservatives are far more charitable and are glad to do so. Liberals are selfish with their own money (and weed) but very generous when it comes to passing out other people's money.
Conservatives want people - all people - to reach their full God-given potential in life. We don't care what color or gender they are.
Conservatives also believe there are people in this country who need taxpayer help. If someone is truly disabled, then let's help them out. What we disagree with are women who have baby after baby without any means of support other than Big Daddy Government. We also believe that illegal alien (sorry, will not be politically correct and will always call illegal aliens what they are - illegal aliens) women who sneak into this country to have a baby to take advantage of the American taxpayer need to be deported and their child not given citizenship.
I've really had it with liberals wanting more and more from working people and using the government to get it. It's got to stop.
In my opinion, liberals are lacking a common sense intelligence gene. You continue to vote for people who are ruining this country and the people in it.
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HI5 :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Hmmm... Who is John Galt?
He's dis guy, you know?
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See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
The attitude is there because of decades of Liberal policies that force people to give money that could better be used at home...where chairty normally begins. There were poor and destitute people prior to the insitution of forced charitable giving by the Federal government in the 1930's....and expounded on in the 60's...and they were taken care of and not by force either.
Those same people that now recieve the forced chairity now expect it. They don't see it as a temporary thing or a hand up...it's their right to get that money and they expect us to cough it up...and when we take issue with the continuing greed of people are allegedly "poor' we're called greedy and heartless by people of a political stripe that are really good at forcing us to contribute in the name of "charity" but don't give ANY of their money.
I have no problem giving you $20 if you needed it. I DO have a problem being TOLD to give you $20.
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I have no problem giving you $20 if you needed it. I DO have a problem being TOLD to give you $20.
Someone upthread alluded to the United Way and your sentence reminded me of being forced to give every year as a federal employee. We were given "contribution' forms (in triplicate) with accounting numbers assigned a the top right. The people assigned to distribute them in each division (and I was one) was instructed to fill out a form for each employee, hand it to them to fill in their donation and get it back for tabulation. No pressure there. I didn't give nor will I ever give to UW for many reasons, but chief among them that year was because someone was taking note of who didn't give.
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Someone upthread alluded to the United Way and your sentence reminded me of being forced to give every year as a federal employee. We were given "contribution' forms (in triplicate) with accounting numbers assigned a the top right. The people assigned to distribute them in each division (and I was one) was instructed to fill out a form for each employee, hand it to them to fill in their donation and get it back for tabulation. No pressure there. I didn't give nor will I ever give to UW for many reasons, but chief among them that year was because someone was taking note of who didn't give.
The donation/disbursement issues they had after 9/11 was what sealed the deal for me.
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Someone upthread alluded to the United Way and your sentence reminded me of being forced to give every year as a federal employee. We were given "contribution' forms (in triplicate) with accounting numbers assigned a the top right. The people assigned to distribute them in each division (and I was one) was instructed to fill out a form for each employee, hand it to them to fill in their donation and get it back for tabulation. No pressure there. I didn't give nor will I ever give to UW for many reasons, but chief among them that year was because someone was taking note of who didn't give.
I take it you're referring to the Combined Federal Campaign and the AER Campaign fund raisers. I give when I can. But it's getting to the point that my allotment for one calendar year isn't complete before they're handing out new donation forms. I give when I can...but I resist the pressure put on by each years donation cordinator. And you can bet the First Sergeant was talking about percentages at each friday safety brief to try and shame us into a 100% dontation rate in the Company.
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The donation/disbursement issues they had after 9/11 was what sealed the deal for me.
For several years in the CFC money drives I'd give to the 9/11 Fund. At least I got to see the results of my donations with the opening of the Memorial Park at the Pentagon. Two organizations you won't find me ever giving money to are UW and The American Red Cross.
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See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used. And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
Church soup kitchens, etc., are way more effective in helping people than any government program. Where do they get the volunteers/money?
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I take it you're referring to the Combined Federal Campaign and the AER Campaign fund raisers. I give when I can. But it's getting to the point that my allotment for one calendar year isn't complete before they're handing out new donation forms. I give when I can...but I resist the pressure put on by each years donation cordinator. And you can bet the First Sergeant was talking about percentages at each friday safety brief to try and shame us into a 100% dontation rate in the Company.
And beyond the 100 percent contribution rate was the "expected" giving of a certain percentage of your paycheck.
Screw that--I give because I WANT to, not so CFC can give me some shitty coffee cup.
Here, United Way is the big thing. People bid on parking spaces, etc...seriously? You paid $500-600 (I'm not kidding) so you could park 20 feet closer to your office or the plant, which, btw, is a 10-minute walk anyway?
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Back when I was in my 20s and worked for the county government, that United Way crap was forced on us, too. Being young and gullible, I thought my contribution out of my $3.50 per hour wage was really helpful, even though I really couldn't afford to.
There was a group of us back in September of 2005 (Tots and Conservative Mobster were a part of this group, and that's how I became friends with them) after Hurricane Katrina hit who all met on a message board. Another member of the group started a blanket donation fund and that grew from nothing to something really big. The Mississippi gulf coast was all but forgotten, even though they were hit just as hard (or worse) than New Orleans.
Mississippi was run by a republican governor and it seemed to me the people of the coast were on their own, but that's the way most of them probably lived - in other words, they weren't waiting for the government to come rescue them like most of the people in New Orleans. The news media didn't really publicize the gulf coast tragedy nearly as much as they did New Orleans.
Anyway, lots of us in that group gave money directly to people and families who were in need. That's the way charity SHOULD be.
Forced charity is extortion. How did we ever get to a situation where those who extort from us (the needy) blame us for all of their problems? It's sad.
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Reminds me of the problem the next town has with its Soup kitchen. I found out that 2 coworkers not only ate one meal a day but carried off any left overs for lunch the next day. Both workers were single and made over $30,000 a year.
What got my thong in a twist, was at the time family's in real need could not bring their kids inside to eat a hot meal, the kids got a cold sandwich a carton of milk and some fruit in a paper bag.
WTF----- the number of Pedophiles inside that were forbidden from being around children made up a good number of the Customers out numbered the family's with kids
And the less people that came in to the kitchen, the less money the charity received.
Don't know how that has turned out in the last few years or if the charity now allows children to come in out of the cold and get at least one hot meal a day.
Then the Red Cross after 911 that received multi millions of donations for the people that lost family members or became disabled from the attack, few received even one penny from the funds---Red Cross took 95% of the money to divert to another cause. The head of the red cross herself received a salary of 2-3 thousand dollars a year not to mention all the huge salary's of the big money paid to each states red cross heads.
The last thing charity's want are donated food or clothing, they want the MONEY that quickly disappears into the air.
Question here, what happened to all the hard cold cash that was sent from around the world to Haiti and why years later there are still humans living in tents with disease rampant ?????
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It was much, much easier to defend liberal tax and redistribution policies when I was working full-time and paying more taxes as a single person with no kids than my other coworkers. I never complained about the fact I was paying more because they had larger families and child tax credits, even though our salaries were averaging the same. It seemed fair since I could afford it more than they could. Now that I'm on the taking end insofar as becoming a participant in my state's Medicaid expansion, those arguments become much harder to make.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
**** "fair".
The bottom line is you support taking from me and mine (at gunpoint) to be handed to someone else. And when I look at you and say "what about my family", more is demanded - my family be damned.
I still pay some taxes, but your tax dollars are going to buy me a plan on the Exchange. That's not something I can tell you is right, all I can say is that I'm grateful and hopeful that proper medical and psychiatric treatment will actually save taxpayers money in the end.
Maybe you can explain how confiscating more wealth, to be redistributed, is somehow going to "save taxpayers money in the end" when there is absolutely no indication a welfare entitlement program has ever done anything other than cost more. I want to know how my paying your bill (as well as my own) is going to save me money.
Don't worry, I'll wait....
See, though, it's that attitude that supports the liberal assumption that people would only be charitable if forced -- that people in general do not see charity as an obligation but rather a decision. Not trying to be offensive. I'm sure you and your family actually do donate to charities that you feel are worthwhile causes, or tithe at church, or voluntarily give another way even if only of your time. But that's one argument that's often used.
Charity is not an obligation, especially one not to be forced by anyone in this country, ever. Especially collectivist, statist trash that are supremely generous with my money, but not their own.
**** that, and **** any "assumption" that was not worth finding enough fact to back up.
And, "lorelai", if you think that the confiscation of the fruits of my labor are somehow "charity" and not largesse for the idiot buying votes with it, then there is no hope of you ever realizing your full potential. You are too easily fooled and too naive to be more than a dependent drone.
And I can understand anger about being forced into ANYthing.
Considering how easily you vote for your own enslavement every election, I doubt that...
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**** "fair".
The bottom line is you support taking from me and mine (at gunpoint) to be handed to someone else. And when I look at you and say "what about my family", more is demanded - my family be damned.
Maybe you can explain how confiscating more wealth, to be redistributed, is somehow going to "save taxpayers money in the end" when there is absolutely no indication a welfare entitlement program has ever done anything other than cost more. I want to know how my paying your bill (as well as my own) is going to save me money.
Don't worry, I'll wait....
Charity is not an obligation, especially one not to be forced by anyone in this country, ever. Especially collectivist, statist trash that are supremely generous with my money, but not their own.
**** that, and **** any "assumption" that was not worth finding enough fact to back up.
And, "lorelai", if you think that the confiscation of the fruits of my labor are somehow "charity" and not largesse for the idiot buying votes with it, then there is no hope of you ever realizing your full potential. You are too easily fooled and too naive to be more than a dependent drone.
Considering how easily you vote for your own enslavement every election, I doubt that...
Epic response. H5!
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Epic response. H5!
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Thank you.
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Church soup kitchens, etc., are way more effective in helping people than any government program. Where do they get the volunteers/money?
Sorry it took me a minute, had this thing called a life to attend to... hah. ;) Snowed in today...
Agreed, that's why I said that volunteering of your time and donating to causes you feel are worthwhile are very, very good things. This is a good time to help with those, but sometimes they're over-staffed with volunteers on the exact holiday days. Throughout the year is best if you have the time and energy to donate your time in that fashion. Or your clothes to Goodwill (they sell the clothes to help get disabled people who want to work jobs, and the ones that can't be mainstreamed work in their sheltered workshop sorting donations -- my mother helps run their Career Center here in our town.)
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Sorry it took me a minute, had this thing called a life to attend to... hah. ;) Snowed in today...
Agreed, that's why I said that volunteering of your time and donating to causes you feel are worthwhile are very, very good things. This is a good time to help with those, but sometimes they're over-staffed with volunteers on the exact holiday days. Throughout the year is best if you have the time and energy to donate your time in that fashion. Or your clothes to Goodwill (they sell the clothes to help get disabled people who want to work jobs, and the ones that can't be mainstreamed work in their sheltered workshop sorting donations -- my mother helps run their Career Center here in our town.)
MY GOD!
We've found the moonbat version of Vesta.
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For several years in the CFC money drives I'd give to the 9/11 Fund. At least I got to see the results of my donations with the opening of the Memorial Park at the Pentagon. Two organizations you won't find me ever giving money to are UW and The American Red Cross.
I had a hardon about not giving the ARC my money well before 9/11. Personal reasons.
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Sorry it took me a minute, had this thing called a life to attend to... hah. ;) Snowed in today...
It happens. Welcome back.
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Sorry it took me a minute, had this thing called a life to attend to... hah. ;) Snowed in today...
Agreed, that's why I said that volunteering of your time and donating to causes you feel are worthwhile are very, very good things. This is a good time to help with those, but sometimes they're over-staffed with volunteers on the exact holiday days. Throughout the year is best if you have the time and energy to donate your time in that fashion. Or your clothes to Goodwill (they sell the clothes to help get disabled people who want to work jobs, and the ones that can't be mainstreamed work in their sheltered workshop sorting donations -- my mother helps run their Career Center here in our town.)
I only donate to the Salvation Army.Not only do they do a great service to mankind, they also save souls.
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I only donate to the Salvation Army.Not only do they do a great service to mankind, they also save souls.
But they don't applaud wildly in favor of gay marriage so they should be driven from the face of the earth.[/Proglodyte]
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I only donate to the Salvation Army.Not only do they do a great service to mankind, they also save souls.
I'll be darned. Someone else thinks the same way I do.
They even help relocated tornado victims.
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I'll be darned. Someone else thinks the same way I do.
They even help relocated tornado victims.
They even take in street waifs with crabs.
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Sorry it took me a minute, had this thing called a life to attend to... hah. ;) Snowed in today...
Agreed, that's why I said that volunteering of your time and donating to causes you feel are worthwhile are very, very good things. This is a good time to help with those, but sometimes they're over-staffed with volunteers on the exact holiday days. Throughout the year is best if you have the time and energy to donate your time in that fashion. Or your clothes to Goodwill (they sell the clothes to help get disabled people who want to work jobs, and the ones that can't be mainstreamed work in their sheltered workshop sorting donations -- my mother helps run their Career Center here in our town.)
Here's the thing. No government program is nearly as effective. Think of how many hundreds of billions have been spent since the "War on Poverty."
You can't legislate charity. You can't legislate morality. It's not an accident that those of a conservative mindset are much more generous with their money to charity than those of a more liberal bent. And it's those street-level charities that have the most direct impact.
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Here's the thing. No government program is nearly as effective. Think of how many hundreds of billions have been spent since the "War on Poverty."
You can't legislate charity. You can't legislate morality. It's not an accident that those of a conservative mindset are much more generous with their money to charity than those of a more liberal bent. And it's those street-level charities that have the most direct impact.
Nope or liberals would be against the law.
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But they don't applaud wildly in favor of gay marriage so they should be driven from the face of the earth.[/Proglodyte]
I'm not aware of Goodwill having a stance for or against gay marriage. One of their biggest goals, however, is getting people off of welfare and into productive jobs, which is what my mother does with them. She started out as a job placement counselor, going to businesses and asking if they had jobs they could make modifications to allow someone who wanted to work but had disabilities. Later on they opened a Career Center to get the people in there shopping also applying for jobs, give them resume writing assistance, etc, and that's where she works now and hopes to retire from.
So from a fiscally conservative standpoint, I think it's a good organization.
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I'm not aware of Goodwill having a stance for or against gay marriage. One of their biggest goals, however, is getting people off of welfare and into productive jobs, which is what my mother does with them. She started out as a job placement counselor, going to businesses and asking if they had jobs they could make modifications to allow someone who wanted to work but had disabilities. Later on they opened a Career Center to get the people in there shopping also applying for jobs, give them resume writing assistance, etc, and that's where she works now and hopes to retire from.
So from a fiscally conservative standpoint, I think it's a good organization.
Goodwill is a good organization. I have yet to see anyone here dispute that.
But SGT Snuggle Bunny wasn't talking about Goodwill. He was talking about the Salvation Army, which is a religious organization and draws hisses from your fellow DUmpmonkeys - even those who use their services (see: The Tucson Tart).
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Goodwill is a good organization. I have yet to see anyone here dispute that.
But SGT Snuggle Bunny wasn't talking about Goodwill. He was talking about the Salvation Army, which is a religious organization and draws hisses from your fellow DUmpmonkeys - even those who use their services (see: The Tucson Tart).
A slight bit of a bouncy, though it's not really bouncy. My dad had to stay in several of their shelters over the course of his life. He was atheist, but he was never offended about people trying to save his soul. He needed the soup, shower, and bed too badly. I think most of their clients feel the same. I always put my change in, even if it might not be helping get to people like my dad, remembering that he used their services especially this time of year.
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A slight bit of a bouncy, though it's not really bouncy. My dad had to stay in several of their shelters over the course of his life. He was atheist, but he was never offended about people trying to save his soul. He needed the soup, shower, and bed too badly. I think most of their clients feel the same. I always put my change in, even if it might not be helping get to people like my dad, remembering that he used their services especially this time of year.
You're right, that's not a bouncy, but your fellow moonbats are the ones with the skewed vision of religious charities.
The truth about the Salvation Army, like rescue missions across the country, is that no one is forced to pray or listen to a sermon. It's not even a condition of receiving their services.
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A slight bit of a bouncy, though it's not really bouncy. My dad had to stay in several of their shelters over the course of his life. He was atheist, but he was never offended about people trying to save his soul. He needed the soup, shower, and bed too badly. I think most of their clients feel the same. I always put my change in, even if it might not be helping get to people like my dad, remembering that he used their services especially this time of year.
What about the DUmbasses that will put what appears to be folding money into the Salvation Army's kettle but it's really a note that reads something like "I'm a queer that likes to get ****ed in the ass and give blow jobs. Because you're against it, I'm filling up you pot with phony money so that no one else can donate real money to you."
Every year some DUmmy will suggest this disruption ploy followed by 200 K&R's.
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Here's the thing. No government program is nearly as effective. Think of how many hundreds of billions have been spent since the "War on Poverty."
You can't legislate charity. You can't legislate morality. It's not an accident that those of a conservative mindset are much more generous with their money to charity than those of a more liberal bent. And it's those street-level charities that have the most direct impact.
Hundreds of billions?
Try TRILLIONS. About $15 T at this count, with nearly $4 trillion since Obama took office:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-us-spent-37-trillion-welfare-over-last-5-years_764582.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/88767476/The-American-Welfare-State-How-We-Spend-Nearly-1-Trillion-a-Year-Fighting-Poverty-And-Fail-Cato-Policy-Analysis-No-694
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What about the DAmbasses that will put what appears to be folding money into the Salvation Army's kettle but it's really a note that reads something like "I'm a queer that likes to get ****ed in the ass and give blow jobs. Because you're against it, I'm filling up you pot with phony money so that no one else can donate real money to you."
Every year some DUmmy will suggest this disruption ploy followed by 200 K&R's.
And the first year I see it, I'll talk about my father staying in their shelters. (I'm a bit sporadic on DU even if I've been around since 2008 primaries, didn't even know Olive Garden was verboten for two years.)
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And the first year I see it, I'll talk about my father staying in their shelters. (I'm a bit sporadic on DU even if I've been around since 2008 primaries, didn't even know Olive Garden was verboten for two years.)
Ma'am...
www.democraticunderground.com/10024081491
*tips hat*
BTW -- doesn't this whole "you should accept me for who I am" fake outrage strike you as hypocritical? How come these drama queens won't accept the SA?
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Well, they can always give to that atheistic GLBTZZXRBQ which gives to the poor and hungry.
Oh. Wait.
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Ma'am...
www.democraticunderground.com/10024081491
*tips hat*
BTW -- doesn't this whole "you should accept me for who I am" fake outrage strike you as hypocritical? How come these drama queens won't accept the SA?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4149239
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What about the DUmbasses that will put what appears to be folding money into the Salvation Army's kettle but it's really a note that reads something like "I'm a queer that likes to get ****ed in the ass and give blow jobs. Because you're against it, I'm filling up you pot with phony money so that no one else can donate real money to you."
Every year some DUmmy will suggest this disruption ploy followed by 200 K&R's.
They waste time, effort, and money printing those stupid things that could have been donated to someone who could of used it.
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They waste time, effort, and money printing those stupid things that could have been donated to someone who could of used it.
DUmmies don't help people. They require help from people.
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DUmmies don't help people. They require help from people.
That's true.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4149239
You won't last much longer at DU if you keep that up. Especially if they see a connection between you being here and saying such things.
At least we'll still let you hang out.
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You won't last much longer at DU if you keep that up. Especially if they see a connection between you being here and saying such things.
At least we'll still let you hang out.
Actually it became my FB status. Along with "If you want to donate to other charities this season, fine. Just don't be a dick."
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BTW -- ^5 for having the integrity to do what you said you'd do.