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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on November 22, 2013, 03:15:57 PM
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Cali wakes him up with bucket of cold water.
This thread is an outright hoot. Go for the giggle if nothig else. Delusional, they are flat out delusional.
Crockspot must be rotating on high speed bearings.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10024074114
Scuba (32,145 posts)
Vermont Approves Single-Payer Health Care: ‘Everybody in, nobody out’
http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-makes-promise-people-video/
The ACA provided states with federal funds to institute a Medicaid expansion. The states chose to expand the program also were able to set up their own state exchanges, which were relatively free from the problems the federal site had. Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.
The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.
The program will be fully operational by 2017, and will be funded through Medicare, Medicaid, federal money for the ACA given to Vermont, and a slight increase in taxes. In exchange, there will be no more premiums, deductibles, copay’s, hospital bills or anything else aimed at making insurance companies a profit. Further, all hospitals and healthcare providers will now be nonprofit.
This system will provide an instant boost the state economy. On the one side, you have workers that no longer have to worry about paying medical costs or a monthly premium and are able to use that money for other things. On the other side, you have the burden of paying insurance taken off of the employers side, who will be able to use the saved money to provide a better wage and/or reinvest in their company through updated infrastructure and added jobs. It is a win-win solution.
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45,000 Americans die every single year because they cannot afford treatment, are you ready for that? That is 15 times the amount of people that died during the September 11, 2001, attacks, or perhaps for you Righty’s out there you would rather see it put this way, 11,250 times the amount of people that died in the Benghazi attack. That equals 5 Americans that die every hour, of every day, of every year because of a preventable illness that was not taken care of due to lack of access and means.
And then he wakes up to cali with an empty water bucket...
cali (90,147 posts)
3. As a Vermonter, I appreciate the nod. As the nitpicker I am,
I can't help but note the factual errors in this piece.
Vermont was not the first state to pass Marriage Equality.
We don't yet know how single payer in Vermont will be funded. Payroll tax is the most likely, but how it will be funded is still up in the air.
the hospitals in VT won't become non-profits because all of them- all 18 of them- already are non-profit.
I do think that the legislature (super majorities in both House and Senate) and the governor are committed to making it work. And Vermonters support single payer.
I am only bringing over one other reply because I wanted to get cute with it
Demeter (68,789 posts)
5. Hail Vermont, Cradle of Independence and Sanity!
Let's take this idea and run with it!
If the Top 1% Get 99% of the Income and Wealth, They Should Pay 99% of the Taxes...Damaged people are dangerous. They know they can survive... Is there any way the ultra-right will let go of its stranglehold on the US economy?*Occam’s Switchblade: If you can’t figure out why someone does something, assume it’s because they want to."
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE[/youtube]
Yeah, sanity, there's the ticket, right How_Weird??
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I read it, what a bunch of idiots.
So hospitals have controlled pricing... What's gonna happen when there are no more hospitals. Of course the government will run them. I am jumping up and down in my pants, can't wait. They run everything else like a ****ing top.
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I read it, what a bunch of idiots.
So hospitals have controlled pricing... What's gonna happen when there are no more hospitals. Of course the government will run them. I am jumping up and down in my pants, can't wait. They run everything else like a ****ing top.
That's right they are the top and the taxpayers are the bottom.
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I really don't need to hear about DUmmies' wet dreams.
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Yeah.. That'll work.. -Until every schlub in the United States in need of constant medical care move to Vermont. Then it won't be quite as popular.
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Yeah.. That'll work.. -Until every schlub dummy in the United States in need of constant medical care move to Vermont. Then it won't be quite as popular.
Fixed that for ya Miskie!!! At least until winter comes around. I understand it gets daggone cold up there in the winter.
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Hooray Vermont!
http://www.wcax.com/story/24047167/apnewsbreak-vt-confirms-health-security-breach
Documents released by Vermont Health Access Commissioner Mark Larson Friday indicate the state's health exchange experienced a security breach.
Two users managed to create identical user names, granting access to private information to the wrong eyes in mid-October. Larson says they immediately addressed the problem, but legislators say they don't understand why they didn't find out about it at a meeting earlier this month in Montpelier.
Rep. Mary Morrissey (R-Bennington) asked specifically about a case involving individuals accidentally receiving access to others information. She tells WCAX-TV she remembers being told her concern was unfounded.
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There's a certain German auto company with a slogan that can be applied.
"Sign, and pay (a lot)". Paraphrased of course.
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Demeter (68,789 posts)
5. Hail Vermont, Cradle of Independence and Sanity!
Let's take this idea and run with it!
I wonder if Demeter would still say this if he/she knew that anyone can carrier a weapon open or concealed without a permit.
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I wonder if Demeter would still say this if he/she knew that anyone can carrier a weapon open or concealed without a permit.
What's more, the state is literally crawling with earwigs and Massholes.
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So from those that produce to those that are lazy and good for nothing?
That is exactly opposite of Darwin I can't tell you how messed up that is.
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So from those that produce to those that are lazy and good for nothing?
That is exactly opposite of Darwin I can't tell you how messed up that is.
Government is reverse evolution.
It bolsters the weak, and destroys the strong.
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That ain't starch in the DUmmie sheets.
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In May I'll be 56. I know that health care will be denied me through the govt rationing system.
But I'm healthy, and have a few more decades left. I will have the pleasure of watching it all collapse...and the fools won't be able to blame a single republican.
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In May I'll be 56. I know that health care will be denied me through the govt rationing system.
But I'm healthy, and have a few more decades left. I will have the pleasure of watching it all collapse...and the fools won't be able to blame a single republican.
That's what irritates me, Mr Mannn, you younger guys are going to get hosed.
Those younger than you will get it twice.
I have no doubt, that our loving liberal/socialist c****res, will do their level best to try and drop some pipe on me.
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They say all healthcare providers will be non profit? How many providers will remain in the state?
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What's more, the state is literally crawling with earwigs and Massholes.
Think more along the line of "Alice's Restaurant" (New York aka New Jerkers) hippies and other '60's holdovers who took the yellow acid. Vermont should serve as a lesson to all small states about infiltration by progressives. Once the land of Larry, Daryl, and Daryl, it became the wonderful world of Bob Newhart, Ben and Jerry, and, of course, in Burlington, Big Blue. It is a state where there may still be more cows than people, many of whom are actually smarter. They cows do little other than hang around all day waiting to be fed and then milked, well now that I think about it so do most Vermonters.
Single payer in Vermont will be most instructive to the rest of the nation. The DUmp article and DUmmies over look a lot of very important questions about how this is to be financed. To pass this turkey they disconnected the financing from the bill.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/05/23/vermont-single-payer-health-care-financing-slides-toward-chaos
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In May 2011 the governor proudly signed Act 48, built on 13 principles that have achieved mythic status among advocates. Notable among them is (11): “The financing of health care in Vermont must be sufficient, fair, predictable, transparent, sustainable, and shared equitably.â€
The Shumlin team was supremely confident it knew just how to do this. The governor’s health care guru, Anya Rader Wallack, set forth the coming Vermont program in an article in the New England Journal of Medicine. When it was pointed out that much of what Act 48 hoped to do required waivers from the federal government, our equally confident governor informed the media “we can outsmart the feds.â€
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DUmmies will never read the link above lest they fall to wailing an lamentation. It's jus not in their nature to face up to the facts.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/03/26/vermont-continues-push-toward-single-payer-system-without-funding-clari
{snip} Third Attempt at Single Payer
Single payer had been introduced in the legislature twice before. “In both cases, once the price tag was put on it†the plans failed, Wennberg said.
Wennberg says Shumlin wants to avoid that outcome, and that he plans to get single-payer locked into place before the price tag is known.
“Even though we think that $1.611 billion is hopelessly optimistic, in terms of the tax needed to support this, it is sufficiently large that we can just use that number and present that number to Vermonters and explain to them that that is nearly three times the total revenues that the residents of the State of Vermont pay in their personal income taxes each year,†Wennberg said. “It is enormous—beyond comprehension in a state of 630,000 people.â€
Single Payer Not Certain
Larson acknowledged there are several remaining steps before the single payer program can move forward.
“Act 48 has a number of different conditions that have to be met before implementation of Green Mountain Care,†said Larson. “One of them is the vestment of a financing plan. Another is receiving a waiver for the ACA and the exchange. There’s an economic analysis that has to be performed, and a budget authorized for Green Mountain Care
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I have a feeling Vermonters are going to wake up one morning with sticky sheets and little else. :stoner: Talk about a pipe dream. Will doctors flee the socialist utopia? You betcha!!