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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: EagleKeeper on November 13, 2013, 06:18:35 PM

Title: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: EagleKeeper on November 13, 2013, 06:18:35 PM: First off, I think you folkes already know everything that I'm fixin to say but I'm going to say it any way.

I'm going to say it because it is in my wheelhouse and I have experience with big (In my mind) application rollouts.

Healthcare.gov is, without a doubt, the most ambitious IT project ever undertaken. I mean just imagine, it touches...

IRS
HHS
Homeland Security
Social Security
Treasury

These systems were not developed within a single project...meaning, these systems are all dissimilar. That means that the federal data hub had to be coded specifically for each back end database. In a best case scenario that means that you had 6 teams working on the hub. One for each federal agency's database's and one for the hub itself.

Now consider that they are "working to fix" an active website. They shutdown the site from 1am to 5am or whatever every night, swapping out code.

They are swapping out code (and hardware) on the frontend website and the federal hub. It is unpossible to do an end to end security check on the new code before they turn the lights back on the next day...unpossible.

I would also take a moment to note that the one person that was in the position to sign off on the Healthcare.gov websites security, Tony Trenkle, failed to do so and either retired or was fired. Marylynn Tavenner [sic] signed off but she has exactly zero experience in security.

Another thing I'd like to mention is the current efforts, moving through the house and senate, to save the "if you like your plan you can keep it" bullshit.

I spent a number of years supporting the folkes that program NASCO.

Nasco is the mainframe system that Anthem relies on to maintain their business. It would take years for them to make the programming changes needed to revive their cancelled policy's.

So the policy's that have been cancelled are dead and gone. I understand that Cali is telling Insurance company's that they must stop cancelling plans that by law must be cancelled. That is not going to work..

So to end I am predicting that the whole thing is destined to collapse and die and one of the reasons will be a massive security breach probably reaching through the federal hub into the 5 fed agency's that must be wired in.

If you must participate in the exchange wait till the last moment, and even then wear your underwear backwards for good luck.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: marv on November 13, 2013, 06:49:17 PM: I've also participated in some very large government systems. From DMINS (Defense Logistics Agency) which failed, JSS and it's successor DIMHRS (Dept. of the Army) both of which also failed. These were projects with unachievable goals, led by bureaucrats who didn't know what they were doing. Everything, including the selection of contractors, was political.

They wasted many millions of dollars.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: obumazombie on November 13, 2013, 06:58:37 PM: owebuma treats the presidency like his own personal piggy bank for corruptly paying off campaign contributors.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: Dori on November 13, 2013, 07:32:19 PM: Quote from: obumazombie on November 13, 2013, 06:58:37 PM
owebuma treats the presidency like his own personal piggy bank for corruptly paying off campaign contributors.

^bingo

I wonder how much money certain politicians are making too
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: JakeStyle on November 13, 2013, 07:39:44 PM: That's an excellent explanation, thank you for breaking it down so that even I could understand it.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: Chris_ on November 13, 2013, 08:08:01 PM: Quote from: EagleKeeper on November 13, 2013, 06:18:35 PM
Another thing I'd like to mention is the current efforts, moving through the house and senate, to save the "if you like your plan you can keep it" bullshit.
They need to stop that shit immediately and let this thing die on its own.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: thundley4 on November 13, 2013, 09:05:31 PM: Quote from: Chris_ on November 13, 2013, 08:08:01 PM
They need to stop that shit immediately and let this thing die on its own.

Any plan that allows people to keep their current insurance would have to repeal the requirements that Obamacare imposes. Then there is the fact that the cancelled plans are gone.

Either the Obamacare requirements are permanently repealed or any law they pass will be a temporary fix. If they do repeal the OCare requirements, then there is still the problem of all the cancelled policies.

The government forcing people to buy something under a penalty of a "tax" is one thing, but forcing a company to sell something at a certain price is another.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: marv on November 13, 2013, 09:28:08 PM: Hmmm, lots of problems now.

I suspect that president man-child is going to spend more time golfing now, and getting ready for his winter solstice ~~vacation~~ escape.
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Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: whiffleball on November 14, 2013, 04:47:20 AM: "These systems were not developed within a single project...meaning, these systems are all dissimilar."

This^^^!!!

The masses think the feds were actually thinking when each agency developed their own systems, databases and protocols. Even within an agency there are systems that cannot communicate with one another. A lot of this can be blamed on the bid awards, a lot on the hierarchy structure, and much on the "good enough for government work" attitude. ObamaScare is a clusterflup gone nova.
Title: Re: This is what I think will stick a fork in Obamacare (personal rant)
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on November 14, 2013, 10:58:05 AM: Quote from: marv on November 13, 2013, 06:49:17 PM
....it's successor DIMHRS (Dept. of the Army) both of which also failed.

Now there was a deeply-flawed concept married to unusable software, if ever there was one.