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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on November 08, 2013, 03:40:47 PM
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boston bean (18,150 posts)
Why would anyone care whether a woman has an abortion or not? (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024003482)
Why do people want to see it become rare?
Really, plain and simple it's just none of your danged business.
1) Contraception doesn't always work
2) Maybe in the heat of passion, contraception was thrown to the wind
3) Maybe a condom broke
4) Maybe the sex ed you received just didn't freaking matter at the moment of having sex.
5) Maybe someone was raped
6) There are too many variables for one to proclaim they want it to be rare. They can't even imagine all the reasons a woman may choose to have an abortion.
It's really just none of anyone's business and intimating that one would like to see it become rare, means one sees something wrong with it. PERIOD. That is the bottom line, IMHO.
How about we all just mind our own business and stop with the judgments.
Maybe because a significant portion of the population views it as MURDER. To you clowns, an aborted fetus is just a clump of cells.
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The baby would care, if it had lived.
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Maybe because a significant portion of the population views it as MURDER. To you clowns, an aborted fetus is just a clump of cells.
I hear your rage, Ralph, and I ^5'd you for it, but this is nothing more than a ploy for street cred and/or to get laid.
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I hear your rage, Ralph, and I ^5'd you for it, but this is nothing more than a ploy for street cred and/or to get laid.
Thanks BFDU, and I agree. I'm not especially religious, and certainly don't have the strident views against abortion that many conservatives and fellow members here here on the religious grounds. That having been said, I am certainly against abortion. I just don't wear my political stripes on my sleeve, other than fiscal conservatism. I've just always thought that abortion was wrong and immoral, even when I was a stupid young Democrat who voted for Dukakis in 1988. Thankfully I transformed into a complete conservative (not necessarily always Republican) within a few years after.
I'll leave the anti-abortion discussion to those who are parents and know their bible far better than I do.
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How about we all just mind our own business and stop with the judgments.
You first, Mr. Unselfaware.
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Because it is murdering a miracle from God. That is why. Because that child could become the next doctor to cure cancer. Because you are playing "God" when you decide you know what is better. Because it is murder, plain and simple. I don't care if the next one is another one of you, it's murder. It's not my choice or the women's choice it's God's choice. And I am not some religious nut either, but I do believe that.
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Thanks BFDU, and I agree. I'm not especially religious, and certainly don't have the strident views against abortion that many conservatives and fellow members here here on the religious grounds. That having been said, I am certainly against abortion. I just don't wear my political stripes on my sleeve, other than fiscal conservatism. I've just always thought that abortion was wrong and immoral, even when I was a stupid young Democrat who voted for Dukakis in 1988. Thankfully I transformed into a complete conservative (not necessarily always Republican) within a few years after.
I'll leave the anti-abortion discussion to those who are parents and know their bible far better than I do.
They're the ones with the glib opinions about life and death. not you. I can see why DUmmies are so pro-abortion: they aren't moored to anything in particular, other than food, liquor, drugs, and shitty music. Mix those four together and you have lifestyles based on letting the good times roll and dealing with consequences later. Ever notice how many of them are married multiple times? Have mental or emotional problems? They're just flat out messed-up people, out for a good time and using other people's money to do it.
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I have always had to pay dearly for my mistakes. So, if a woman having an abortion is none of my business, don't tax me to pay for "HER" mistakes.
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The baby would care, if it had lived.
DUmmy boston bean would have cared if it's parents had the same cavalier attitude about abortion when it was conceived.
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Why would I care if a woman killed her five year old son? None of my business, right? Lots of things could happen, she had a bad day, she lost her job and couldn't afford to feed him, he cut into her partying time, she wanted to get a degree instead of being a mother, all "legitimate" reasons for abortion, so what's the difference other than what side of the womb the child is on.
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How corrupt must your soul be to even ask this question? This isn't a question of controlling or oppressing women, this is an objection to the taking of a human life! EVERY woman has a CHOICE to engage in behavior that may result in the conception of a child, don't want a child, don't engage in said behavior.
I understand that there are times that a woman should not be required to carry her child (rape, danger to her life), but damn, just think about the great, wonderful people we've lost due to inconvenience. Such a sad, sad situation for these children.
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As a mother who had four children, all unplanned, I can't even fathom how a woman can even consider destroying her own offspring.
Even if you take religion out of the equation, what about the life long guilt that is sure to come with the knowledge that you chose to end the life of your own child?
It's just mind boggling to me that there are so many women that can do this....it just isn't natural.
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As a mother who had four children, all unplanned, I can't even fathom how a woman can even consider destroying her own offspring.
Even if you take religion out of the equation, what about the life long guilt that is sure to come with the knowledge that you chose to end the life of your own child?
It's just mind boggling to me that there are so many women that can do this....it just isn't natural.
I've never thought of this as a religious issue. We know that children suck their thumbs to comfort themselves. We also know that children in the womb suck their thumbs far earlier than the abortion cutoff date. These are thinking, feeling PEOPLE. To destroy one of them is no different than me walking up to someone on the street and shooting them in the head.
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As a mother who had four children, all unplanned, I can't even fathom how a woman can even consider destroying her own offspring.
Even if you take religion out of the equation, what about the life long guilt that is sure to come with the knowledge that you chose to end the life of your own child?
It's just mind boggling to me that there are so many women that can do this....it just isn't natural.
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One has to remember that the far left is amoral...there is no exact right or wrong that never changes,only what is best for the individual at any given moment.
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One has to remember that the far left is amoral...there is no exact right or wrong that never changes,only what is best for the individual at any given moment.
Yessir.
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But you get to ruin people's livelihoods--and refuse water rights--in order to preserve some stupid species of carp. The left is ****ed up.
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One has to remember that the far left is amoral...there is no exact right or wrong that never changes,only what is best for the individual at any given moment.
So you're saying that their morals work kind of like their math does? The answer doesn't matter as long as you feel good about how you reached the answer?
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I've never thought of this as a religious issue. We know that children suck their thumbs to comfort themselves. We also know that children in the womb suck their thumbs far earlier than the abortion cutoff date. These are thinking, feeling PEOPLE. To destroy one of them is no different than me walking up to someone on the street and shooting them in the head.
Absolutely.
It is not that abortion is wrong because it is part of the deposit of faith (as the Holy Trinity is, for example), but rather is wrong because it is clear that the infant in the womb is the distinct and unique off-spring of its parents...is a fellow member of the human race.
Certain religious groups have a more clear-headed view of this, but it is as a part of universal philosophy not religious doctrine. The Church doesn't tell non-Catholics to go to Mass because that's part of religion; she doesn't tell non-Catholics to abstain from meat on Fridays because that's part of religion; she does proclaim that all of mankind should avoid from the killing of innocents, and that includes the unborn.
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DUmmies like to say that the fetus can't live outside the body ...so killing it is OK.
DUmmies can't live outside the basement....so killing them is OK.....right?......right?
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The baby would care, if it had lived.
So would the father
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Jesus! I feel sick after reading that thread.What a group of very lost/twisted people. And Ive been reading DU since its inception.
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But you get to ruin people's livelihoods--and refuse water rights--in order to preserve some stupid species of carp. The left is ****ed up.
No. The left is evil. Pure evil.
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It's just mind boggling to me that there are so many women that can do this....it just isn't natural.
Well, you know most of them are democrats.
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Thanks BFDU, and I agree. I'm not especially religious, and certainly don't have the strident views against abortion that many conservatives and fellow members here here on the religious grounds. That having been said, I am certainly against abortion. I just don't wear my political stripes on my sleeve, other than fiscal conservatism. I've just always thought that abortion was wrong and immoral, even when I was a stupid young Democrat who voted for Dukakis in 1988. Thankfully I transformed into a complete conservative (not necessarily always Republican) within a few years after.
I'll leave the anti-abortion discussion to those who are parents and know their bible far better than I do.
There is absolutely no reason to know the Bible in order to debate how wrong abortion is...there are plenty of medical reasons. Point 1, the "fetus" is obviously human. Point 2, the fetus has a beating heart. Point 3, the fetus has brain activity. Point 4, the laws for and against the use of fetal tissue make it clear those tissues are not from some animal or plant.
I have often run across the argument that "Cancer is just like a fetus, it has it's own DNA, is alive, and grows." Of course, this is a stupid argument on the face of it because no cancer ever is born a person even a DUmmy can recognize as such, but that fact hasn't swayed those that use it. So I actually ran across a medical fact that destroys that stupid argument...cancer absorbs radiation when it is attached to a sugar base in ways NO other cells absorb it...including fetal cells. In fact, that is how cancer cells are pinpointed in testing and in radiation of tumors. :-)
Bottom line, the biggest argument against abortion is the simplest one...the child is obviously human, and no human of any specific level of development, specific location, amount of dependency, or size is LESS human than any other human.
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Abortion is merely modern day child sacrifice to the god of personal covenience. In order for the gods to grant one a self centered life style a woman must offer her unborn child on the altar of infancide. Only through the spilling of blood will she have a chance of not be responsible for the life she created.