PSPS (4,597 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023965637
9. It may be a RW talking point but, this time, it's true.
This seems to be happening mostly to those, like me, with an individual policy (self-employed.) Blue Cross cancelled my plan and will move me to another on 1/1, although I'm free to go elsewhere. Their new plan is the same type as my old in that is has the highest deductible with no coverage for prescriptions, dental or vision. It has no additional coverage or benefits, at least none that I need or want. In fact, it's worse in that I will have to pay the entire cost of my annual routine doctor visit instead of the $35 copay I am now paying. Yet the premium will be double, amounting to several hundred dollars extra every month. The state exchange's offerings are about the same rate or higher.
So, yes, Obama's statements were lies at least as it relates to the individual market.
quinnox (18,176 posts)
Obama receives "four Pinnochio's" for claim health plans could be kept - WP fact checker
JaneyVee (5,698 posts)
5. OMG it's almost as bad as lying about WMDs to start a decade of war.
Well not really, but the media makes it seem so. It will only effect 3-5% of the population.
FSogol (17,772 posts)
7. If I tell my kids we'll go to their favorite pizza place and then when we get there,
it is closed by the health department because the sewer backed up and there are rat droppings in the food, have I lied to my kids?
cali (89,160 posts)
10. it's a bad comparison. this nonsense about comparing
what an individual or family does with what government does, is just plain silly.
There is something to be said for ascertaining that a big claim that is being made repeatedly to the American public is accurate. Or hedge your claim. Bad media coverage IS something that ALL politicians know is a reality. Trying to avoid potential bad publicity traps is an intrinsic part of effective communication and pretty basic.
egduj (130 posts)
12. The term "Pinnochio" implies that he was lying,
and I don't think he was purposefully trying to deceive. He made a promise he was unable to keep. Politicians do that all the time.
But I believe when he said those remarks, he actually believed it.
Star Member leftstreet (25,347 posts)
13. What a cluster****. They need to fix this
Star Member quinnox (18,178 posts)
14. For sure, to the max!
Despite the ACA cheerleadering contingent, who are delusional and living in denial, the ACA is a train wreck so far.
No, I told you so works so much better, I told you so!
JaneyVee (5,698 posts)
5. OMG it's almost as bad as lying about WMDs to start a decade of war.
Well not really, but the media makes it seem so. It will only effect 3-5% of the population
Barry doesn't lie. He just repeats what TOTUS says.
Does anyone know who TOTUS is?
Barry doesn't lie. He just repeats what TOTUS says.Valerie Jarrett
Does anyone know who TOTUS is?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:19 AM
Star Member quinnox (18,185 posts)
Obama receives "four Pinnochio's" for claim health plans could be kept - WP fact checker
Response to quinnox (Original post)Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:34 AMFour Pinocchios. That's pretty stunning, especially when you take into consideration that the actual Pinocchio only rated one Pinocchio.
JaneyVee (5,699 posts)
2. Out of how many pinnocchios?
Response to quinnox (Reply #14)Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:14 PMThe DUmmies that are against Obamacare are more angry than conservatives are since they feel that they have been betrayed by their Chicago boyfriend--and democrats feel things so very deeply. Conservatives don't feel betrayed. We saw this coming. We never believed a word that came out of Barry's lying mouth. Why should we feel betrayed? But the DUmmies that are starting to wise up feel a deep sense of betrayal. And on top of that, the DUmmies--who fancy themselves as being so very smart--were so completely fooled by Barry's lies while the conservatives--who are supposed to be so stupid--saw right through Obama's dirty lies. I can hardly imagine the level of rage building up in the democrat rank and file over being betrayed by Sir Golfsalot and outsmarted by the conservatives.
Star Member ScreamingMeemie (62,283 posts)
15. "Despite the ACA cheerleading contingent..."
It seems like those who are vehement on either side of ACA are guilty of this... This 'cheerleading' or whatever we want to call it. It has gotten to a fever pitch among both those for and against.
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/get-a-brain-morans_zps002d631e.jpg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/get-a-brain-morans_zps002d631e.jpg.html)
How does it feel DUmmies, now that it is dawning on you that he is smarter than you and that he was right all along?
JaneyVee (5,698 posts)
5. OMG it's almost as bad as lying about WMDs to start a decade of war.
Well not really, but the media makes it seem so. It will only effect 3-5% of the population
(http://sharing.wlfi.com/sharewlin//photo/2011/09/22/obama-cinci_20110922132826_640_480.JPG)
Above. The President includes a free bridge with every Subscription to 'Obamacare'.
FSogol
7. If I tell my kids we'll go to their favorite pizza place and then when we get there, it is closed by the health department because the sewer backed up and there are rat droppings in the food, have I lied to my kids?
The libs are still complaining about war. owebuma said he would end them. He didn't. Moreover, he started or contributed to a number of new wars. Then there was the Gitmo promise. Basically, from what I've seen, he is the anti George Washington.That is true , Washington lead us into freedom, and 0bama is dismantling those freedoms that Washington and the founders built.
Star Member quinnox (18,178 posts)
14. For sure, to the max!
Despite the ACA cheerleadering contingent, who are delusional and living in denial, the ACA is a train wreck so far.
That is true , Washington lead us into freedom, and 0bama is dismantling those freedoms that Washington and the founders built.Your comparison is adept. In addition there is another startling contrast. George Washington could not tell a lie...
Really dummie? 3 to 5 percent? I think 93 million is a tad bit more than 3-5 percent. More like 25 or 30 percent. Oh and the obumbles admin officials knew about it in 2010.
Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/)
Facts are pesky things, dummie. obumbles lied. People are pissed off.
This only scratches the surface of what will be a compounding debacle.
No one is even talking about the doctors yet.
Huckabee had three on his show last night. One left her practice to do something different. She said she had to book patients every ten minutes and she still couldn't stay in business.
They all complained that medicare and medicaid doesn't pay enough and that their codeing is confusing, complicated and nothing like what insurance companies use. They also said that the codeing for Obamacare is even different and will add a whole new layer to their paperwork nightmare. They all said that they spend almost a third of their working time on the administrative compliance end and Obamacare is only going to add to that. Sounds like this will certainly push doctors out of private practice.
No one is even talking about the doctors yet.
The repukes really did it this time, they had a chance to fix this but all they did was try to kill it.
Doctors in Cuba get paid little to nothing. It's nice to know what the goal is.
Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patientshttp://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html
Off of Drudge:
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html
Trial balloon. You know everyone of their little totalitarian hearts wants to force doctors to give free medical care.