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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ralph Wiggum on October 29, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
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Ken Burch (32,032 posts)
We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023945064)
Let's leave discussions of electoral viability out of this. They aren't the point.
And let's be clear...I mean a Marxist, not a Marxist-Leninist(the term Stalin invented to turn his bloodsoaked perversion of Marx and Lenin's ideas-not that Lenin was a saint, but he wasn't THAT much of a psycho compared to "Uncle Joe" and his acolytes), a person who agrees with Marx's original call for a genuinely socialist and genuinely DEMOCRATIC society).
If Obama was a Marxist, and had an actual legislative majority in place to carry out his program, we'd have
1)A fuil-employment economy:
2)A properly funded social welfare system for those who did end up needing help(especially children, the elderly, and the physically and mentally challenged)INCLUDING a universal public healthcare program
3)A foreign policy based on peace and reconciliation rather than "defending our 'national interests'"(which are always simply the interests of the rich)
4)Democratic control of the means of production and democratic workplace management(with co-ops as part of the deal)
5)Access for all to the means of artistic creation and personal self-expression.
That's what we'd have if Obama was ACTUALLY a Marxist.
What's not to like?
(And, if he were actually a Muslim, at least we wouldn't have usury...)
Just thought it should be said.
Oh...my...lord...the stupidity.....it burns!!!!!!
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I think it is beginning to dawn on some of the less dense DUmmies that dear leader is a Stalinist and their days are numbered.
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That's always the argument, what has been tried before is not real true communism.
1+1=POTATO
I can count to yellow!
Communism would work if we only had the right benevolent dictator.
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I was taught by my parents at a very early age what this political notion of Utopia was and how it was great until it crossed paths with human nature.
Marxism will always end up where Stalin,Mao,Castro,Hugo etc took it.
Only at the point of a sword or barrel of a gun can shared misery be enforced.
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Oh...my...lord...the stupidity.....it burns!!!!!!
It really does. For (D)Ummies, they have to choose the least psycho of all the psychos they adore, because emotions.
"Honestly, if we elect this least psycho guy, it'll work this time, fer sher."
Idiots.
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I want Marxism! Not the type of Marxism that was actually Marxism, Marxism. But Marxism the way to was supposed to be Marxism. That Marxism. Even though the only examples of Marxism we have is the bad Marxism, I still believe Marxism is possible. Good Marxism.
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That's always the argument, what has been tried before is not real true communism.
Insanity def. =
1+1=POTATO
I can count to yellow!
:-)
Communism would work if we only had the right benevolent dictator.
They, not just the (D)Ummies, don't even hide it anymore.
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What's not to like?
The fact that you can't pay for it.
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Pretzel_Warrior (4,317 posts)
7. and unicorns. don't forget the unicorns
:rofl: :lol: :rotf: :lmao:
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Marx was an elitist, lazy and sloven hypocrite that lived off of other people. He and his family were mostly supported by his wife's inheritance and money given to him from his friend Engels' family business, a manufacturing company that he hated.
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Oh...my...lord...the stupidity.....it burns!!!!!!
But democrat social programs lessen the burn to a point that no lesson is learned from the burning....in other words, the stoopids will still grab any shiny, white hot item the democrats throw out there.
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Marx was an elitist, lazy and sloven hypocrite that lived off of other people. He and his family were mostly supported by his wife's inheritance and money given to him from his friend Engels' family business, a manufacturing company that he hated.
He would be a DUmmy if he was alive today.
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He would be a DUmmy if he was alive today.
No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.
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No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.
....and probably drive drunk over bridges.
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immoderate (16,727 posts)
5. Why a "full-employment economy?" That's crazy.
With automation, simply speaking, a small minority of people can accomplish all the work that needs to be done. For example, in a few years there won't be human taxi drivers. Individuals perform tasks that occupied huge masses, and that power is growing exponentially.
Moreover, to create unnecessary tasks to employ people, will lead to destruction of resources that we, as a society, will need to preserve.
--imm
Response to immoderate (Reply #5)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:37 PM
Ken Burch (32,040 posts)
6. because of the damage unemployment does to people.
Also, we could find a way to make sure that, if mundane tasks could be taken care of by machines or 'bots, that everyone would be paid to do work that was actually creative and fulfilling.
Response to Ken Burch (Reply #6)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:49 PM
immoderate (16,727 posts)
11. Unemployment doesn't damage people. Being broke does.
A society organized with automation in mind, and with people's basic needs fulfilled, will not have to worry much about dreaming up busy-work for them.
The problem with work is it's destructive. And there won't be enough to go around. Although in some sense, we aren't too far apart either.
--imm
Response to immoderate (Reply #11)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
Ken Burch (32,040 posts)
13. drudging, disrespected, meaningless work is destructive.
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If not work, than at least everybody would be given the chance to actually put their efforts into what they genuinely feel to be their own true purpose in life(something that never happened in any Marxist-Leninist society, btw, which is why what I'm saying here is nothing in common with any endorsement of the Soviet era).
The real point is, no one would be discarded and disrespected. No one would be considered valueless.
That dirty word that starts with "w"
Response to Ken Burch (Original post)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:02 PM
gopiscrap (8,581 posts)
14. I agree
Says a supposed minister about a person and ideology that in its first sentence curses and denies God.
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".....everyone would be paid to do work that was actually creative and fulfilling."
That's DUmmie for, "I want a huge salary for counting stars.....during the day because I find it creative and fulfilling."
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"gopiscrap" is one foul-mouthed minister:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023945850
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023945646
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023945767
he is disgusting.
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No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.
Same thing.
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(http://blog.stackoverflow.com/wp-content/uploads/then-a-miracle-occurs-cartoon.png)
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3)A foreign policy based on peace and reconciliation rather than "defending our 'national interests'"(which are always simply the interests of the rich)
Yet every totalitarian government seems bent on domination of other countries.
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Ken Burch (32,032 posts)
We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist.
Where to start, DUmmy...
(http://www.lolhome.com/img_big/funny-picture-1355304372.jpg)
That is all.
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(http://blog.stackoverflow.com/wp-content/uploads/then-a-miracle-occurs-cartoon.png)
A primitive's response would be 'Okay, then a F***ing miracle occurs' .