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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dandi on June 23, 2008, 03:00:51 AM
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The Hive's resident death crow, Chicken Little, and Doomsayer-In-Chief has been on a roll this past week, insisting that America is gone, repaced while we were sleeping with a police state whose leader makes Adolf Hitler look like a mall security guy with an inferiority complex. According to him, we're all living in a Matrix-like dream reality in which he is the lone Neo, except that he doesn't get to fondle a leather clad Carrie-Anne Moss.
But the nadinbrezinski DUmmy has been smacked down on those posts each time by the likes of Occam Bandage, MonkeyFunk, and a few other hardy souls not yet ready to take either the red pill or the blue pill, except as gentle relief from occasional constipation.
Now there is a new interloper who refuses to acknowledge the Sentinels at the door:
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-20-08 05:54 PM
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TACTICS people TACTICS
yep they did what I expected them to do. Perhaps why I am not disappointed
Been expecting this for YEARS... as I have seen the evolution...
After all, nobody builds a dictatorship to just go away... NOBODY
So we need to talk how to resist, and by all means go vote in November. If you need to vote for the usual suspects, do so... But now we know why there will not be any progress as long as the blue dogs are in charge. Where it matters, they are not that different from the pugs, and if that hurts the feelings of the centrist DLC crowd... I am sorry... you are not that different from the PUGS... WHERE IT MATTERS YOU SIMPLY ARE NOT Both of you are CORPORATISTS... GOT IT NOW? Good.
So it is time to talk tactics...
1.- Realize we already live in a police state... all the happy talk deniers does not change this fact. You do... and right now they are this close to scrapping the fourth amendment. But, but, you can post on this board malarkey I expect it!
2/- Realize that when they talk of them terrorists, they are talking of you and me... those who are awake and know what the score truly is. We are dangerous, since we took the blue pill.. ah that moment of clarity...
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Ah and yes I epxect the usual ... go for it guys... any of these threads would not be the same without the usual TPMs
But I will give you one.. you are right, we don't have the votes for impeachment, after all corporatists, regardless of party. will never vote for it... not to remove a corporatist... that is clear... but what is the other name for corporatists? Oh yeah FASCIST. wear it proudly. And sadly the CORPORATIST party controls Congress... they just have different letters... and we all know who they are!
Syntheto (71 posts) Sat Jun-21-08 07:15 AM
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67. It must be frustrating to be the only one to see the Truth...
... and surrounded by those idiots whose thinking is so muddled that they can't appreciate such wisdom when it is dispensed. The approach sounds vaguely familiar though; can't quite put my finger on it... no, wait, I've got it! Landsberg Prison, just outside of Munich, 1923!
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Then once again to the rescue is nadinbrezinski's faithful sidekick and fellow keyboard revolutionary, Tom Painfulrectalburning. To paraphrase a line from Heartbreak Ridge, if nadinbrezinski ever came to a sudden halt, Tom Paine's face would go halfway up his ass:
tom_paine (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-21-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Once again, the personal attack sidesteps the issue.
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 09:17 AM by tom_paine
You know what's funny? You accuse nadin of being like the Nazis when quite the opposite is true.
While your analogy may be mildly apt, and I stress the word MILDLY here, what is MUCH MORE APT is Germany 1933, and the people who sat huddled in their homes whispering about how only they could see the truth and marvelling at the mass mania that had overtaken 99% of their nation.
Why couldn't the other 99% SEE what was going on? Why couldn't they SEE Hitler and his henchmen were madmen? After all, to the 1%, it seemed to be obviously, grotesquely on display at all times.
And yet, 99% of the Germans either loved Hitler, liked him, or were neutral enough or scared enough to remain silent.
THERE is your Germany analogy, damn you, NOT your pathetic twist and contorted spin.
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Syntheto (71 posts) Sat Jun-21-08 10:08 AM
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72. No, damn you, I insist....
...Hitler thought he was RIGHT, no make that, CONVINCED that he was right, and that why couldn't some people just accept that, and quit being sheeple and wishy-washy and listen to HIM because HE WAS RIGHT? His generals referred to him (in private, of course) as the "carpet chewer (no Virginia, not "Muncher") because he would get so frustrated when contradicted that he would literally froth at the mouth, throw himself on the floor and rip into a throw rug.
Some people here, perhaps you, seem the type to play Rudolf Hess, if you know what I mean, (and I think you do) to some fanatical, my way or the highway bullshit.
You make it sound as if there are death camps waiting and we all know it. I sneeringly tell you now, oh, stop. How many refugees tried to make their way to Nazi Germany? How many Haitians try to risk their lives to get here?
Where's our Kristalnacht analogy? Oh, wait, I know, Hurricane Katrina, right?
Is it really necessary to go with all these idiotic conspiracy theories and Nazi comparisons and accept them as the unvarnished TRUTH in order for us to secure the White House?
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I know my history, and I also know that America is a great place, and I get really annoyed at these self-proclaimed holders of Absolute Truth who challenge the courage or intelligence of everybody who doesn't agree with their epiphany. It's the virtual equivalent of some glazed-eye asshole screaming at people from their soapbox and their sandwich boards.
Do you know how stupid and simplistic it sounds when people make the silly argument that America is hated and everything is bad on Bush's last day in office, but the day Obama takes moves in to the White House, the skies will suddenly turn blue, and the whole world will want to buy us a Coke?
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Hey, just listen to me! I, and I alone know the TRUTH, and if you don't agree with me, then you're just one of the stupid people out there that have to be educated. Don't you find that offensive and annoying?
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But, what does that say? Is DU a tight little club where there is one particular view, and nothing else can be tolerated? Are all posts supposed to be akin to people standing up and getting cheered for saying the right thing and little compliments on their writing style? What, just a bunch of frustrated Eng Lit majors working shitty jobs because they didn't have the connections or talent to become so-called journalists?
It's okay, though, DU, as well as all the other blogsites out there are just a virtual meeting place where people can hide behind some cute little name with a clever avatar and libel and slander other people in relative safety. As for political influence, we've got two, count them, two, political parties in this country. To the casual observer, it would seem that they take turns. In that light, what do your, mine or anybody's posts actually mean to the American political process?
Well, in the words of Mr. Natural "It don't mean shit."
Maybe you should open your eyes a little more and round out your views. You took exception to a virtual friend of yours having their orthodox views challenged. How dare I, right?
Well, I dare, and if you don't like it, you know what to do.
Whew, good stuff, Syntheto. Enjoyable reading, though I must say you're not long for the DU world. I can hear the chiseling of granite already.
Then there's this little gem in response to Syntheto's assertion that fascist countries usually don't have a lot of immigrants clamoring to get in:
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Sat Jun-21-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #72
98. Start thinking about the US control over Haiti ... going way back . . .
People "come here" because they are trying to excape our foreign/imperialistic policies ---
My God, the stupidity of that is breathtaking. Syntheto agrees:
Syntheto (71 posts) Sat Jun-21-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #98
107. Thanks for the stupidest thing I've read yet...
You owe me a Beck's because I spit it out reading your response...
let me get this straight, ahem, the Haitians come here because they are trying to flee our imperialistic policies in their country? Yes, ours, because you're an American, silly, too, just as I am.
Okay, the Ukrainians should have become refugees in Germany proper to escape the destruction of the Ukraine during WW2?
Think about that. You should have thought about it before you posted. In the words of J. Bugsworth Bunny: "what a maroon!"
Oh, and that idiot who talked about waiting for the pretty uniforms is also a dumb ass.
It's politics, stupid.
Geez, buy the kids books, send them to school, and they have to dress Goth to prove that they're different.
I'm just bored and annoyed when people talk darkly about America as a Nazi clone. Get real, dumb ass. You don't need to play that crap to be a Democrat, or to prove how orthodox a Democrat you are.
"Get real, dumb ass." Can't put it any plainer than that.
Our old friend "Name removed" shows up, obviously struttin' some good old fashioned DU Joooooos-o-phobia based on the responses. Good thing the mods cleaned that up. Wouldn't want anyone thinking there was any anti-semitism on DU. No siree: *cough* :whatever:
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alyce douglas (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-20-08 11:03 PM
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41. yup, agree with that too
AIPAC, they really kiss up to them don't they?
Might as well save a couple more before the mods wake up:
Syntheto (71 posts) Sun Jun-22-08 02:21 PM
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128. Actually, I'm contributing about the same as you are...
...absolutely nothing. All anyone does here is sing to the choir. Reminds me of another site, you know, the one on the reactionary side.
States have always looked after their own interests, and the ones who didn't aren't around anymore. Look at the way the Allies arbitrarily settled things in the Balkans, Middle East and China in 1919.
America has always been a beacon, even then, and there was a lot of hope that things would be settle on Wilson's so-called 'Fourteen Points', the hallmark being the off-hand remark by Wilson concerning 'self-determination'. It was vague, and didn't say a god damned thing, making it, as a consequence, open to any interpretation that you wanted to give it. Following the Armistice, desperate people were doing just that.
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I get tired of dumb-asses reading Drudge or listening to Randi Rhodes type (I hope she doesn't get knocked from behind by the liquor fairy again, boy that was a mess) or quote ****ing John Pilger and pontificate on these pages in lieu of reading several books on a given subject, with an arrogant authority as if they're an expert on the subject.
If ignorance is bliss, then some of these assholes are in freaking Nirvana.
Yeah, the Haitians, Cubans, et al, are willing to risk theirs, and their children's lives to get here, ******* it! Elian Gonzales' mother gave her life to get here so he would have a better life. As it turned out, he did, because the Castro regime used him for a poster boy. Thanks, Mom.
My son is in the Coast Guard and they have to go out and rescue these people who put to sea in the god awfullest pieces of flotsam you can imagine; shit that has to be sunk because it's a navigation hazard, but you get some dumb ass archly pointing out that they're trying to get to mainland America because of America's imperialist policies. Jesus ****ing Christ!
Oh, when these poor downtrodden people are repatriated back to Haiti and Cuba, they fling feces (that's 'shit' for some of you) and bottles of urine at the Coasties, as well as try to spit and scratch them. That's my son, and some of your kids out there, too.
I'm sorry, but I would like to read and participate in meaningful, constructive conversation about America's future without having to hear that America is a Nazi analog, we're evil, we're the worst thing in the world, and the greatest threat to world piece. That schtick gets mighty old.
I want to talk to some fellow Democrats who are proud of this country, proud to be Americans, believe in America first, who want to do the right thing by the world community but put our country on a pedestal where she belongs.
Is that even possible here?
Umm. No.
Syntheto (71 posts) Sun Jun-22-08 03:50 PM
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131. I'll pass that on to my son, but...
...you're wrong. America is a great country. It isn't crapola, it isn't grade school. I don't get my talking points from your so-called news sources and this whole flavor of the month bullshit.
As an aside, I brought up my son to illustrate how desperate the Haitians were to get to mainland America, but also to brag about him. He kidded me about chasing the gas meter reader down the street in order to work it in to a conversation. Actually, I didn't 'run' after her, I just happened to be cutting the grass by her truck, but anyway... Please convey my regards to your husband, also. I spent 5 years in the Navy as a sonar technician. Thanks to my efforts, I can say that the Mississippi River outside of St. Louis is free of enemy submarines. All kidding aside, I know for a fact that the submariner adage of the two types of ships, one sub, the other target is unfortunately very true. We could save a lot of defense money mothballing all our aircraft carriers and most of the surface fleet, as I'm sure your husband would agree.
Sure, let's talk about the future, but you're talking to an unabashed American patriot and very proud to say so. The only power we have, if that, is the vote. How many eligible voters are there in our country? Call it X. Well, you and I have 1/x worth of political power in our country.
The only alternative is violent revolution, and despite what some people write here, I don't believe we're at that stage of the game, yet.
It could've happened after Garfield, Harding and Kennedy, but it didn't.
When the Civil War finally happened, the loose end of the Revolution and the decision by those people to shelve any talk of the slave trade, there were still those, even in the South who said, in effect: "Hey, we've got a system here, let this asshole serve his four years, then we'll boot him out of office".
Inflammatory and willfully irresponsible rhetoric made things intolerable for some, and look what happened.
It's our country, right or wrong, by virtue of our birth, if nothing else, right? However, having brought that old saw out, nothing says that it's course doesn't need to be adjusted once in awhile. If a ship stays the course for too long, it will run aground.
The fact is, this land, like it or not it, is yours and mine, just like Woody said.
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Is any country better? Has any country or nation been conceived along the same lofty values as we purported ours to be and was able to hold to those principles over time? I submit, that the only way that could happen is to create an immortal Kla-tu type robot who would maintain continuity throughout the ages, and be a fair arbitrator to all people. But, how soon would it be before the elites of all countries and nationalities schemed to unplug the beast because it was cramping their style?
How many nations have used OUR constitution as a template for theirs? How many of those nations have been able to achieve, much less maintain, those values?
I will tell you now, the time for these simple little sound bites are over. Every week it's some new thing to stir the masses. What are the big issues?
They are still Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, the basic ideals of the Enlightenment.
My take on all this negativity is that most people here simply have a visceral dislike of Bush, and seem to labor under the impression that the day Obama takes office, that everything will be peaches and cream.
That is just, well, willfully ignorant and naive. The man's a politician and the best we can hope for is that he's as good a one as Lincoln, the consummate product of the 19th Century American machine political system.
Not much has changed, and as long as there are political systems in place to govern and tax people and manage national resources, they never will.
Okay, which one of you guys is sacrificing this mole? :-)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3492571#3495462 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3492571#3495462)
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Thanks for the find, dandi! That thread made me smile. It's good to see a DUmmie or two with a grain or two of common sense remaining in their fetid, fallow brains.
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I actually laughed out loud at some of his comments. the Randi Rhodes one was priceless :-)
Yes, I'd love to see how long he lasts with all of that common sense.
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Isn't nadinbrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzski an immigrant?
I've been reading her melodramatic stupidity for a long, long time, and have always wondered, why did she choose to come to a country that is so oppressive, so evil, so corporatist, so FASCIST, when she could have gone to Cuba instead?
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You would think for all their overwrought panic about the country being facist,a police state.. :blah: :blah: they would be worried that DU was a government front to smoke them out.
First capture the IP address they post from then send Blackwater agents to disappear them to the camps. :whatever:
If one ever did want to do that,the stupid sons of bitches would all but fall over each other to get in line. :rotf:
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Syntheto is quite possibly the smartest person to ever grace the DUmmies. It will be a shame when he's booted.
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why are they all still posting on DU with such impunity if America is dead and gone???
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They claim to hate facism and corporatism, but turn around and vote for liberals who desire to cosy up to big corps in conjunction with increasing both the size and influence of big gov't. Oh well, no one of value ever claimed they understood politics.
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I sure hope that nadinbrzezinski has a splash guard for his monitor. The common sense from Syntheto will have him foaming at the mouth.