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"Inside the GOP" (from democracy corps) - useful research
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023802706
Laelth is a DUmmy. :mental: :loser:
Laelth (15,554 posts)
"Inside the GOP" (from democracy corps) - useful research.
Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:38 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
This is essential reading for all of us who want to understand the current state of the Republican base. It's very interesting, and well worth your time. The "cloud" graphics are particularly enlightening.
http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/954/dcor%20rpp%20fg%20memo%20100313%20final.pdf
Reposted from the following thread with the permission of dreamerBoy (who posted it therein): http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=329019
Apologies if this has been posted previously.
-Laelth
Laelth (15,554 posts)
1. Important excerpt below:
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We expected that in this comfortable setting or in their private written notes, some would make a racial reference or racist slur when talking about the African American President. None did. They know that is deeply non-PC and are conscious about how they are perceived. But focusing on that misses how central is race to the worldview of Republican voters. They have an acute sense that they are white in a country that is becoming increasingly “minority,†and their party is getting whooped by a Democratic Party that uses big government programs that benefit mostly minorities, create dependency and a new electoral majority. Barack Obama and Obamacare is a racial flashpoint for many Evangelical and Tea Party voters.
-Laelth
erinlough (1,852 posts)
2. Interesting article thanks.
We have to know who we're dealing with.
Laelth (15,554 posts)
3. My pleasure. n/t
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Laelth (15,554 posts)
4. Kick for the AM crowd. n/t
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pampango (14,991 posts)
5. "Evangelicals who feel most threatened by trends embrace the Tea Party because they are the ones who
are fighting back."
Understand that the base thinks they are losing politically and losing control of the country – and their starting reaction is “worried,†“discouraged,†“scared,†and “concerned†about the direction of the country – and a little powerless to change course. They think Obama has imposed his agenda, while Republicans in DC let him get away with it.
Evangelicals. (1/3 of the base) Social issues are central for Evangelicals and they feel a deep sense of cultural and political loss. They believe their towns, communities, and schools are suffering from a deep “culture rot†that has invaded from the outside. The cen- tral focus here is homosexuality, but also the decline of homogenous small towns. They like the Tea Party because they stand up to the Democrats.
Tea Party. (just over 1/5) Big government, Obama, the loss of liberty, and decline of responsibility are central to the Tea Party worldview. Obama’s America is an unmitigated evil based on big government, regulations, and dependency. They are not focused on social issues at all. They like the Tea Party because it is getting “back to basics†and believe it has the potential to reshape the GOP.
Moderates. (1/4 of the base) Moderates are deeply concerned with the direction of the country and believe Obama has taken it down the wrong path economically. They are centrally focused on market-based economics, small government, and eliminating waste and inefficiency. They are largely open to progressive social policies, including on gay marriage and immigration. They disdain the Tea Party and have a hard time taking Fox News seriously.
Nice find, Laelth. Thanks for posting.
Interesting that climate change could be the next big issue that alienates republican moderates from the fundamentalist/tea party types.
Laelth (15,554 posts)
6. My pleasure. Glad you found it useful. I did. n/t
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DireStrike (6,025 posts)
7. K&R
I would love to see a similar study done on the Democratic party.
Laelth (15,554 posts)
8. So would I. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler (67,995 posts)
9. Kick - very interesting, and here's a summary from the Bill Moyers site:
To Understand the Shutdown You Have to Grasp the Mindset of the GOP Base
Fear of a changing society is one thing that unites all three factions. The battle over Obamacare, write the study’s authors, “goes to the heart of Republican base thinking about the essential political battle.â€
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But there are also deep divisions within the base, according to the analysis. Evangelicals still focus overwhelmingly on social issues. They think gay rights are the biggest threat to our society, but they also worry about the loss of what they see as an idyllic small-town culture. They feel besieged as the cultural ground shifts beneath them, and see themselves as a beleaguered, “politically incorrect†minority.
Tea partiers display a libertarian streak, and are far less concerned with social issues. They are staunchly pro-business. But there’s an easy alliance between these two groups – which make up well over half of the GOP base – because Evangelicals think the tea partiers are fighting back, and vice versa.
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Unlike the tea partiers and Evangelicals, the moderate faction desperately wants lawmakers in Washington to find a common middle ground. They are less likely to worry about unauthorized immigration than the rest of the base, and some went so far as to speak positively about immigrants’ contributions to our society and economy.
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/05/to-understand-the-shutdown-you-have-to-grasp-the-mindset-of-the-gop-base/
That quarter made up of moderates is up for grabs, if the Democrats can persuade them that the evangelicals and tea-partiers are hopelessly nuts. They'll listen about immigration, and climate change, and they still believe in some form of government apart from the evangelicals desire to govern people's sex lives.
The Dems are just as bad. :mental:
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Laelth (15,554 posts)
1. Important excerpt below:
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The fact that you think it important only amplifies what a ****ing dumbass you are.
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Lilith is not saying much to his DUmbass buddies about the beating he took over here this week.
Hey, lurking DUmmies. Why don't you ask him about that?
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Yet another ranting loon who thinks he understands how normal people think.
All three factions wind up on the side of free enterprise, smaller government, and the broadest amount of freedom for the broadest amount of people. The GOPe wouldn't get anything as Democrats, even if they think they can deal with the Democrats. The tea party sees on outsized government that is sucking up massive amounts of money and acting in a totally unaccountable manner.
Liberal government policies have us $17T in debt on the books, and something like $220T in debt when all the off the books debt is considered. Guess what ain't gonna get paid.
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Laelth (15,554 posts)
1. Important excerpt below:
Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
We expected that in this comfortable setting or in their private written notes, some would make a racial reference or racist slur when talking about the African American President. None did. They know that is deeply non-PC and are conscious about how they are perceived. But focusing on that misses how central is race to the worldview of Republican voters. They have an acute sense that they are white in a country that is becoming increasingly “minority,†and their party is getting whooped by a Democratic Party that uses big government programs that benefit mostly minorities, create dependency and a new electoral majority. Barack Obama and Obamacare is a racial flashpoint for many Evangelical and Tea Party voters.
-Laelth
Check the private notes of dims and I bet you will find the racist statements you are looking for.
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Lilith gets a lot more love over there than he ever did over here. Maybe we should work on our people skills?
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Laelth (15,554 posts)
1. Important excerpt below:
Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
We expected that in this comfortable setting or in their private written notes, some would make a racial reference or racist slur when talking about the African American President. None did. They know that is deeply non-PC and are conscious about how they are perceived. But focusing on that misses how central is race to the worldview of Republican voters. They have an acute sense that they are white in a country that is becoming increasingly “minority,†and their party is getting whooped by a Democratic Party that uses big government programs that benefit mostly minorities, create dependency and a new electoral majority. Barack Obama and Obamacare is a racial flashpoint for many Evangelical and Tea Party voters.
IOW: not saying racist things proves that you are conscious of your guilt about being a racist.
Only the guilty man denies he is a criminal.
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IOW: not saying racist things proves that you are conscious of your guilt about being a racist.
Only the guilty man denies he is a criminal.
Also known as, "The guilty dog barks."
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When the other side keeps insisting that they whooped us you know they are afraid. Now the 2010 was an ass whooping of historical proportions. From the federal government to the state houses a record number of democrat losses and republican wins. Then the IRS illegally went after the Tea Party and conservative organizations. If not for that I truly believe that Obama would have lost and the senate would be firmly in our hands. Thie 2012 truly was a stolen election from the IRS to the MSS to the public employee unions.
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Lilith gets a lot more love over there than he ever did over here. Maybe we should work on our people skills?
Perhaps Laelth should stop being a condescending and self-righteous.
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Perhaps Laelth should stop being a condescending and self-righteous.
Is there any other kind on the left?
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Is there any other kind on the left?
Pretty much that.