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Title: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: lastparker on October 10, 2013, 11:44:31 AM
This thread is 30 minutes old and crickets are chirping.

 
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cilla4progress (3,200 posts)

An explanation at last (on being an ACA loser...)


I have posted here ad nauseum about my rates going up under ACA (premiums + deductibles). I have received mostly resistance and/or disbelief.

This article in huffpo this morning lays it out.

Snip:

9 Valid Concerns We Can Have with Obamacare ...

2. How will people respond to paying higher premiums?

Obamacare will offer health coverage to millions of previously uninsured or uninsurable Americans at a lower average rate than initially expected. For this system to work, however, the law expects some people who currently have plans on the existing market to pay higher premiums to get coverage through an Obamacare exchange. For those making an annual salary between 300 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level (which is $11,200), federal subsidies will be limited.

For that small percentage of Americans, some key questions emerge. Will the angry cries of those whose rates go up drown out the joyful shouts of those whose rates go down or who never had insurance in the first place? Will they see their premiums as affordable, even without the subsidies offered to poorer people or those whose coverage is more expensive? Will they decide that health insurance is important enough to pay for, even if it costs hundreds or thousands of dollars a year, or will they reject the new market and opt to pay the individual mandate penalty?

These are arguably the biggest unknowns and could determine whether Obamacare is ultimately beset by the enrollment issue described above, and whether it builds enough public support to be politically sustainable.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obamacare-questions_n_4060345.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251329921
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: NHSparky on October 10, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
This is what's killing me about this whole thing--healthcare is a COMMODITY.  A finite, limited supply exists.  If you throw 30-40 million more people into the system, many of whom either had existing conditions or live lifestyles where they'll tend to use/need more of that commodity,

WHAT THE **** DID THE GOVERNMENT THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?  3000 PERCENT REDUCTIONS???
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: franksolich on October 10, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
Whoa.

164 primitive views, but not a single primitive comment.

One would think that out of 164 primitives, at least two or three of them would say something, anything.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: docstew on October 10, 2013, 11:56:54 AM
The DUmmies never will be able to respond to these facts, because they don't have the ability of critical thinking. All they have the ability to do is critical feeling, as in "I feel it is unfair that this person should have insurance (or any other good, really) and that person doesn't". They don't have the ability to think through that in order to GIVE something to one person, you must TAKE from another.
In the case of Obamacare, they are GIVING free or subsidized insurance to some by TAKING money, in the form of increased premiums, from those who were already struggling to provide for their own. Also, Obamacare GIVES healthcare access to some by TAKING time and money, in the form of reimbursement rates that don't even approach the cost of doing business, away from doctors that could be used on patients who tried to take care of themselves
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Dori on October 10, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
By now, I was expecting to see dozens of Obamacare success stories on the DUmp.   Bragging about how great it is, and how they are all getting such cheap insurance.

Their silence speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: AllosaursRus on October 10, 2013, 12:37:32 PM
Whoa.

164 primitive views, but not a single primitive comment.

One would think that out of 164 primitives, at least two or three of them would say something, anything.

Not unless they want a ..............

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Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: hillneck on October 10, 2013, 12:42:12 PM

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0 replies, 243 views


And the number grows with still no replies.  What's the matter DUmbasses, cat got your tongue?    :rotf:

Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 10, 2013, 12:43:53 PM
By now, I was expecting to see dozens of Obamacare success stories on the DUmp.   Bragging about how great it is, and how they are all getting such cheap insurance.

Their silence speaks volumes.
Obama said that if you already had Medicare or Medicaid you didn't need to do anything.....DUmmies do nothing so they are covered under one of those programs, right?
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: GOBUCKS on October 10, 2013, 12:49:31 PM
I don't see it.

Even if the law gives free "bronze" coverage to every democrat deadbeat, they still can't afford the huge deductible and co-pay.

I can't see "bronze" plan deadbeats going to the doctor any more often than they do now.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 10, 2013, 12:53:07 PM
I don't see it.

Even if the law gives free "bronze" coverage to every democrat deadbeat, they still can't afford the huge deductible and co-pay.

I can't see "bronze" plan deadbeats going to the doctor any more often than they do now.
I can....as matter of fact I hear them now, "But I gotz Obama in-shore-ants....it's supposed to bees free."
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: jukin on October 10, 2013, 01:03:44 PM
Newest talking point from MiniTru:

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Obamacare will offer health coverage to millions of previously uninsured or uninsurable Americans at a lower average rate than initially expected.

Obama and the evil democrats were always lying about rates going down and they knew it. This talking point is that Obama and the evil democrats thought that rates would triple. Now that they have only doubled it is dubbed lower. It's like Obama and ethe evil democrats new math on budgeting; we were going to spend a $500 billion more this year but we only spent $400 so we cut $100 billion off the debt.  Oh and it is a draconian cut extorted out of us by being held hostage with a gun to our heads by terrorist bomb strapped tea bagger anarchists.

That last sentence is almost verbatim from the messaging machines from my senators, the twisted sisters, Feinstein and Boxer. Although I might have forgot a few disparaging descriptors.

Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: delilahmused on October 10, 2013, 01:35:21 PM
You'd think at least one of them would've made the "that's why we should've done single payer". As an aside, I have no idea how this came to be known as "single payer" when the whole working population of the US will be paying for it.

Cindie
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Wineslob on October 10, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
WHAT THE **** DID THE GOVERNMENT THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?  3000 PERCENT REDUCTIONS???


Collect Insurance premiums:


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PROFIT!




Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Karin on October 10, 2013, 01:58:09 PM
Not even a peep from ProSense or Trumad, or the other obamacarezombies?  Well, it doesn't help that it comes from Huffington Post, not National Review. 

Nobody can pay those prices.  They just can't, and won't.  That's a fact, Jack.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Chris_ on October 10, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
Not even a peep from ProSense or Trumad, or the other obamacarezombies?  Well, it doesn't help that it comes from Huffington Post, not National Review. 

Nobody can pay those prices.  They just can't, and won't.  That's a fact, Jack.
Then what happens?  They default to paying the "fee" which is how much again?  It goes up every year.

Let's say you can't afford your ObamaPremiums and default to paying the fee, how do you still get medical care?  Go to the emergency room?  I thought that's what this monsrosity was supposed to alleviate.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: delilahmused on October 10, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
Not even a peep from ProSense or Trumad, or the other obamacarezombies?  Well, it doesn't help that it comes from Huffington Post, not National Review. 

Nobody can pay those prices.  They just can't, and won't.  That's a fact, Jack.

Maybe they're having sticker shock too.

Cindie
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 10, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
Then what happens?  They default to paying the "fee" which is how much again?  It goes up every year.

Let's say you can't afford your ObamaPremiums and default to paying the fee, how do you still get medical care?  Go to the emergency room?  I thought that's what this monsrosity was supposed to alleviate.

The Dems try for single payer.  This is dependent on them winning the House in 2014.  With the Obamacare Democare sticker shock, it's looking more and more unlikely.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: franksolich on October 10, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
Well, finally a few primitive responses, nearly all of them apologists for 0bama.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on October 10, 2013, 05:40:53 PM
By now, I was expecting to see dozens of Obamacare success stories on the DUmp.   Bragging about how great it is, and how they are all getting such cheap insurance.

Their silence speaks volumes.

I was bracing for the same.  What little there is, is bouncy.  They're in denial.

ObingaJuntaCare sign ups in Hawaii - 0
ObingaJuntaCare sign ups in Iowa - 0

Huge BS stat:  51,000 ObingaJuntaCare accounts created!!11!!! hUzZaH!!!  Of, course, the lions share of that, were window shoppers.

....and that's nationwide.

What crap.


You'd think at least one of them would've made the "that's why we should've done single payer". As an aside, I have no idea how this came to be known as "single payer" when the whole working population of the US will be paying for it.

Cindie

If they called it the Socialism that it is, even more would oppose it.  Their success hinges on the low info crowd remaining stupid.  They don't have to worry about the (D)Ummies, though. It's genetic.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: I_B_Perky on October 10, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Then what happens?  They default to paying the "fee" which is how much again?  It goes up every year.

Let's say you can't afford your ObamaPremiums and default to paying the fee, how do you still get medical care?  Go to the emergency room?  I thought that's what this monsrosity was supposed to alleviate.

And I suspect the "fee/tax" will get raised exponentially in a few years when people decide it is just cheaper to pay the penalty.

Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: diesel driver on October 10, 2013, 09:15:49 PM
And I suspect the "fee/tax" will get raised exponentially in a few years when people decide it is just cheaper to pay the penalty.



BINGO!!! 
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: RobJohnson on October 11, 2013, 05:20:57 AM
Dummies should read this: Health Reform Breaks Bad (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/health-reform-breaks-bad_762272.html?page=2)
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Freeper on October 11, 2013, 06:20:47 AM
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BluegrassStateBlues (161 posts)
4. Small price to pay for the millions of people that have never had insurance.

With a bit of household budgeting, I'm sure they will manage.

Once again the DUmmies demand that the responsible people do a little budgeting, yet if we suggest the DUmmies do a little budgeting and pay for their own shit they get all bent out of shape.

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NCLefty (635 posts)
7. It's a shame that one pol. party didn't want to help improve the bill.

Because no one thinks it's perfect. But my, what a valuable political game we can play over it...

See it's all the repukes fault after all. If only those lousy repukes would have swooped in and fixed the bill instead of trying to kill it it would have been so much better. They will go to any lengths to avoid being responsible for their own faliures.

Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Bad Dog on October 11, 2013, 08:47:32 AM
See it's all the repukes fault after all. If only those lousy repukes would have swooped in and fixed the bill instead of trying to kill it it would have been so much better. They will go to any lengths to avoid being responsible for their own faliures.




She/it conveniently forgets the Republicans were physically locked out of the room when they defecated this stinking pile.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: 67 Rover on October 11, 2013, 11:51:26 AM
Once again the DUmmies demand that the responsible people do a little budgeting, yet if we suggest the DUmmies do a little budgeting and pay for their own shit they get all bent out of shape.

See it's all the repukes fault after all. If only those lousy repukes would have swooped in and fixed the bill instead of trying to kill it it would have been so much better. They will go to any lengths to avoid being responsible for their own faliures.



That bill would have easily doubled in size to 6000 pages if the Repukes had a hand in it.  Just look at the mess not reading 3000 pages is causing and double that.

Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 11, 2013, 03:45:35 PM
That bill would have easily doubled in size to 6000 pages if the Repukes had a hand in it.  Just look at the mess not reading 3000 pages is causing and double that.


You've forgotten the 27,000+ pages of rules and regulations the Silly-bilious-bitch has written to go along with Obamacare.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Rebel on October 11, 2013, 03:53:37 PM
This is what's killing me about this whole thing--healthcare is a COMMODITY.  A finite, limited supply exists.  If you throw 30-40 million more people into the system, many of whom either had existing conditions or live lifestyles where they'll tend to use/need more of that commodity,

WHAT THE **** DID THE GOVERNMENT THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?  3000 PERCENT REDUCTIONS???

Not to mention the cluster **** of a 634 million dollar website. By the way.....



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Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Ptarmigan on October 11, 2013, 03:58:43 PM
Only 2 People Attend 'Obamacare and You!' Event in South Carolina
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/only-2-people-attend-obamacare-and-you-event-south-carolina_762419.html

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Last night, the organization formerly known as President Obama's reelection campaign, Organizing for Action, held an Obamacare event in Greenville, South Carolina. The event was called "Obamacare and You!"

"Let's discuss what this Affordable Care Act means for you and your community. This session will help you understand the benefits and will equip you to spread the word about the benefits of Obamacare in your community. Come out and get the facts!!," the event advertisement said.

But it wasn't widely attended. Only two people, in addition to the two organizers, showed u

Hey DUmmies what you have to say about this? I hear crickets.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: jtyangel on October 11, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
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BluegrassStateBlues (161 posts)
4. Small price to pay for the millions of people that have never had insurance.

With a bit of household budgeting, I'm sure they will manage.

Pardon the **** out of me, but why can't those uninsured do a 'bit of household budgeting' too so they could afford insurance to begin with so that their neighbor would not be forced do? How come someone dare say it's not compassionate to ask the same of the uninsured person, yet they think it's totally appropriate to say to that person's neighbor who already is living paycheck to paycheck . You might have a point if we were talking maybe another 100 bucks a year but this is thousands upon thousands of dollars effecting people firmly in the lower to middle to upper middle income--a majority of that who have already felt the pinch with higher gas prices, stagnating wages, and increases in all kinds of other necessities. Where in the hell do you think someone living already paycheck to paycheck is going to magically budget thousands of dollars from? Some of those premiums and deductables are house payments--something you were outraged over when it was your beloved uninsured trying to get insurance is suddenly ok to burden people now--and these are healthy people--wtf will they do when they are too sick or old to work? Who now takes care of them? I'm sure by then all the losers will be sending the used up producers to the death gallows--this is nothing short but modern day slavery---nothing short of it! 

To blue grass, go to hell. We've 'budgeted' enough for your poor voting habits since 2008. Just when we saw gas under 2 bucks a gallon again you vote this nonsense into office. What about you can't get blood from a turnip do you dipshits not understand? The people you are raping to insure other people don't get the same kind of subsidies your beloved uninsured do by way of food supplements and all that other horseshit(btw things you would not include as 'income' when it comes to getting subsidy yet comes out of income for people who actually have to pay for those things--so your people get a break and those people don't even when effectively all sources of 'income' balance. They aren't talking about dipping into disposable income--they are talking about affording a roof over their head, a car to get to work, and food on the table for their kids. You are heartless, selfish mother f*ckers and I'll leave it there. All along calling other people selfish and evil and lacking compassion yet you are the gold standard. Goes to show you the old saying is true that whatever someone else constantly accuses another person of doing, they usually are doing themselves.

For the DUers who are getting this and understanding what utter slavish horseshit this is, we don't have to agree on everything my friends, but we must band against this evil. On this issue we should come together...I know there are some of you there who have sticker shock an know this is ridiculous. Time to put your arrogance and childish views aside and fight for what you know is right. This is not the way to go and you know it. You know this is inherently oppressive and amounts to slavery via wage confiscation. You know this. Do the right thing and ignore the arrogant and selfish on your board who don't care if your kids  and loved ones go without. We told you those who were the loudest only were so out of their own selfishness and by the quote above and many others like it you know it's true. You got played in a game of, "I gots mine".While you gave a damn about them, they never gave a damn about you other then what they could use you for. You were a useful idiot to them; don't be one anymore.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Delmar on October 11, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #11)Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:49 AM
 cilla4progress (3,214 posts)
12. Yes, thanks.

I was frankly caught off-guard by the increases. I thought I could do no worse than what I had, based on Pres. Obama's repeated reassurances that if you liked the insurance you had you could keep it. I'd like to hear his response to my problem.

 :rotf: :ownit:

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Only 2 People Attend 'Obamacare and You!' Event in South Carolina
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/only-2-people-attend-obamacare-and-you-event-south-carolina_762419.html

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Last night, the organization formerly known as President Obama's reelection campaign, Organizing for Action, held an Obamacare event in Greenville, South Carolina. The event was called "Obamacare and You!"

"Let's discuss what this Affordable Care Act means for you and your community. This session will help you understand the benefits and will equip you to spread the word about the benefits of Obamacare in your community. Come out and get the facts!!," the event advertisement said.

But it wasn't widely attended. Only two people, in addition to the two organizers, showed up.
:rotf:
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Rebel on October 12, 2013, 10:51:20 AM
From Elmer Williams (ET Williams) FB page:


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Via Mary Renee.

From a friend, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION...posted on the Obamacare website today "I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition
(Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable.

https://www.facebook.com/elmerw1
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 12, 2013, 05:43:23 PM
And this is how the DUmb****s will respond . . .

:lalala: :lalala: :lalala:
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: JLO on October 12, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
From Elmer Williams (ET Williams) FB page:

Via Mary Renee.

From a friend, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION...posted on the Obamacare website today "I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition
(Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable.


https://www.facebook.com/elmerw1

Holy sh*t!
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: I_B_Perky on October 12, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
I can....as matter of fact I hear them now, "But I gotz Obama in-shore-ants....it's supposed to bees free."

And:

"Now givz me my drugz, cuz!!!!"

Title: Re: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Jmartin on October 12, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
May ACA be the Democratic party's death nail. Time for these communists to go.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Traveshamockery on October 12, 2013, 09:07:01 PM



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Title: Re: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: BlueStateSaint on October 13, 2013, 06:00:44 AM
May ACA be the Democratic party's death nail. Time for these communists to go.

It may very well be, if enough people are ambushed by the costs, interplayed with lines such as, "If you like your current health plan, you can keep it."  Add "Most families will save $2,500 in health care costs" and even Babs Boxer might lose her election.
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: 67 Rover on October 13, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
From Elmer Williams (ET Williams) FB page:


https://www.facebook.com/elmerw1


I believe that has been debunked.  The max penalty for the first year is 1% or some small $ amount whichever is greater, at $55,000 that would only be a penalty tax of $550.

Title: Re: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 13, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
May ACA be the Democratic party's death nail. Time for these communists to go.

It was intended to be your death nail you rightwing worker you that doesn't suck the gummint tit and get all your needs filled by our Lord and Savior, The One, The Only, Great Leader and All Powerful Brokeback Obama.[DU/mode]
Title: Re: Obamacare Victim shows up with proof to backup claims...DUmp is silent
Post by: Dori on October 13, 2013, 04:15:51 PM
From Elmer Williams (ET Williams) FB page:


https://www.facebook.com/elmerw1
Is it this Elmer Williams?  :rofl:  The left isn't going to like this one little bit.

http://whateverhappentocommonsense.com/?attachment_id=1283