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coldmountain (351 posts)
America will never solve its gun problem until it gets over its fetish for the Founding Fathers. [View all]
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Blood on the Constituion
America will never solve its gun problem until it gets over its fetish for the Founding Fathers.
"Frankly, having the world's oldest written constitution is not something to be proud of. As my Georgetown colleague Mike Seidman wrote in a 2012 New York Times op-ed,
Our obsession with the Constitution has saddled us with a dysfunctional political system, kept us from debating the merits of divisive issues and inflamed our public discourse. Instead of arguing about what is to be done, we argue about what James Madison might have wanted done 225 years ago.
As someone who has taught constitutional law for almost 40 years, I am ashamed it took me so long to see how bizarre all this is. Imagine that after careful study a government official -- say, the president or one of the party leaders in Congress -- reaches a considered judgment that a particular course of action is best for the country. Suddenly, someone bursts into the room with new information: a group of white propertied men who have been dead for two centuries, knew nothing of our present situation, acted illegally under existing law and thought it was fine to own slaves might have disagreed with this course of action. Is it even remotely rational that the official should change his or her mind because of this divination?
The word "divination" is appropriate, because much of what passes for constitutional debate in this country has more in common with theology than law. Americans spend an inordinate amount of time arguing about how best to interpret the Second Amendment, but the real question -- the one we should be asking -- is this: Why are we so fixated on a 226-year-old piece of paper?
Political theory has advanced a good deal since 1787. We now have decent social science research on the pros and cons of different voting systems and different judicial systems; we can now measure and evaluate the impact of different political and legal regimes in ways the framers could not. Most other nations have had reason to develop new constitutions over the last two centuries, for the simple reason that structures and rules that once made sense often make far less sense when circumstances change.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/09/18/blood_on_the_constitution?page=0,1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3701227
When all else fails convince people that the founding fathers are irrelevant. :whatever:
Star Member LuvNewcastle (4,449 posts)
1. We do need a new constitution, but if we had a constitutional
convention now, we'd likely never agree on the contents of it. We'll have to wait on the GOP to go through what it's going through to get anything meaningful done in this country. When we see a re-alignment take place between the parties, that will be the time to get it done. We're much too divided right now; even some blue states have a lot of Republicans. We probably won't have solid majorities in the House until after the next census, when new districts will be drawn. I want to see us draw up a new constitution, but it just can't be done now.
If you don't like the rules change them. That is how the leftists operate. It is no secret the left has hated the constitution and has so desperately wanted to nullify it, now they are just more open about it.
coldmountain (351 posts)
4. The Constitution has failed and we are verging toward a failed state
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The Constitution only protects the powerful.
Maybe if we actually followed it from time to time it would have worked.
The problem isn't the Constitution, the problem is you fools who want to destroy the free society we have and get rid of the controls on government power.
Star Member dkf (36,279 posts)
5. You can't blame the constitution, blame uninformed passive voters.
I do blame the 0bamaites.
Star Member NYC_SKP (52,745 posts)
9. Agree. But that pesky constitution gets in the way of certain short-sighted agendae.
It so frustrates them that they make shit up, like saying that the only reason we included the second amendment was to suppress slave uprisings.
When I find the time and patience, I will post something putting that distracting theory to rest.
To associate racism with the RKBA is a very low tactic.
As you say, we need the constitution more than ever.
That pesky Constitution gets in the way of all leftists.
Star Member dkf (36,279 posts)
14. The hubris in thinking we will only get rid of one right and leave the rest untouched is amazing.
I'm sure the right wing would have all sorts of changes they would loooove to make.
I hate to admit but yes I would love the chance to fix a couple things in the constitution, but the difference is the fixes I want are already in the constitution, you just ignore them. One of the fixes would the wording of the second amendment. Get rid of the militia sentence so people can't try to distort the meaning.
DanTex (4,231 posts)
13. Besides just guns, there are serious problems with the way congress is apportioned.
Having 2 senators per state is just plain stupid, given that states vary drastically in population. And the house has it's problems also. Not to mention the electoral college.
Unfortunately, the constitution isn't changing any time soon, barring some kind of major crisis.
If you understood history at all you would know why there are only 2 senators per state.
DanTex (4,231 posts)
30. It (maybe) made sense in 1787 for that reason.
It makes absolutely no sense at all today. Why should the 600K people of Wyoming have 2 senators to protect them, while the 2.5M people of Brooklyn have to share 2 senators with other 17M people in New York State? Are people in Wyoming somehow more vulnerable than people in Brooklyn
Hey moron that is why we have the House of Representatives. It was intended that the senate represented your state, the house represents your community.
A really big thread with lots of stupid comments from people who have zero understanding.
:mental:
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DanTex (4,231 posts)
13. Besides just guns, there are serious problems with the way congress is apportioned.
Having 2 senators per state is just plain stupid, given that states vary drastically in population. And the house has it's problems also. Not to mention the electoral college.
Unfortunately, the constitution isn't changing any time soon, barring some kind of major crisis.
This primitive can't even demonstrate an elementary school level of knowledge. Pathetic.
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This primitive can't even demonstrate an elementary school level of knowledge. Pathetic.
DUmmies don't understand that the founding fathers set things up that way so one part of government didn't get complete control of ..... never mind, I forgot about the left leaning Supreme Court soon to be rulers.
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coldmountain (351 posts)
I'm fairly certain that you thought this was a nice try.
Truth be known?
I would throw you into a wood chipper and make damn sure we went back for another 12 pack.
Phuck.
You.
DanTex (4,231 posts)
13. Besides just guns, there are serious problems with the way congress is apportioned.
Having 2 senators per state is just plain stupid, given that states vary drastically in population. And the house has it's problems also. Not to mention the electoral college.
Unfortunately, the constitution isn't changing any time soon, barring some kind of major crisis.
You're too stupid to suck air on this planet.
coldmountain (351 posts)
4. The Constitution has failed and we are verging toward a failed state
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The Constitution only protects the powerful
Where my free shit?
Star Member dkf (36,279 posts)
5. You can't blame the constitution, blame uninformed passive voters.
What....who vote themselves free shit? So, on a Constitution sucks thread you can't blame the Constitution because......huh?
Even you idiots have lost me....
Star Member NYC_SKP (52,745 posts)
9. Agree. But that pesky constitution gets in the way of certain short-sighted agendae.
It so frustrates them that they make shit up, like saying that the only reason we included the second amendment was to suppress slave uprisings.
Mr Scott, Warp Factor Stupid......
gawd........No, idiot.... the NRA was actually founded to protect the 2nd Amendment rights of freed slaves who were hounded by Democrats in white sheets.
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Where my free shit?
The bottom line in everything as far as DUmmies are concerned.
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The bottom line in everything as far as DUmmies are concerned.
Everything must be free. Provided by an efficient, benevolent government who cares deeply about everyone.....
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4760023238115923&pid=1.7)
...the dead are just circumstantial, Mein Fuhrer.
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Wow, there sure a lot of Constitutional scholars on that DUmp thread. And when I say Constitutional scholars I mean in the post 2008 sense of the term that includes shit-for-brains like Obama.
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coldmountain (351 posts)
As someone who has taught constitutional law for almost 40 years...
Two things, DUmbass.
1. You would think if you taught something for 40 years, you would know something about it. I guess DUmmies are just slow learners. :shortbus:
2. I wouldn't let you teach my pet rock, you're just too f'n STUPID!!!
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It must really suck to be a DUmbass.
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DUmmies lie,they lie all the time. There is no way someone has taught constitutional law for close to 40 years and is that stupid.
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Star Member NYC_SKP (52,745 posts)
9. Agree. But that pesky constitution gets in the way of certain short-sighted agendae.
It so frustrates them that they make shit up, like saying that the only reason we included the second amendment was to suppress slave uprisings.
That's what it all comes down to. DUmmies want to rule by decree, and dispose of those decrees as often as they dispose of their "heroes" when the mood strikes. They have no respect for democracy or process. That's why they have to get rid of those damn guns that give them pause.
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DanTex (4,231 posts)
13. Besides just guns, there are serious problems with the way congress is apportioned.
Having 2 senators per state is just plain stupid, given that states vary drastically in population. And the house has it's problems also. Not to mention the electoral college.
Unfortunately, the constitution isn't changing any time soon, barring some kind of major crisis.
History lesson here dummy. The senate was created to represent the states. The house to represent the people. Hence the 2 year election of the house. It wasn't until the popular elections of senators amendment got passed that senators were elected. The states effectively have NO representation in the US government. That was a big mistake in my opinion.
The constitution created the best country to ever exist in this world to date, protects the rights of the minority, and you would trash that cause you think your ilk should rule. Be careful what you ask for... you just may get it.
Just imagine this dummie:
A hard core conservative government gets in power. Their agenda gets passed. You are in the minority. You lose your welfare. You have to work for a living.
Is the lightbulb starting to go off there dummie?
Be very careful what you ask for dummie. Very careful.
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DanTex (4,231 posts)
13. Having 2 senators per state is just plain stupid, given that states vary drastically in population.
:thatsright:
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A hard core conservative government gets in power. Their agenda gets passed. You are in the minority. You lose your welfare. You have to work for a living.
It is my fervent hope, as well as simple physics (Newton's First Law and all that), that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The action(s) was (were) the elections of a 'progressive' in 2008 and 2012. Therefore, the reaction should be the election(s) of hardcore conservatives for the next 20 to 30 years or so.
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It is my fervent hope, as well as simple physics (Newton's First Law and all that), that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The action(s) was (were) the elections of a 'progressive' in 2008 and 2012. Therefore, the reaction should be the election(s) of hardcore conservatives for the next 20 to 30 years or so.
8 years of Democrat statist collectivism under King Hussein. "Equal and opposite" would give us 8 years of libertarian individualism. There is no one whom I see who fits the bill and is positioned to run in 2016.
Instead of a rifle's recoil (Newton's First Law in action), I think of it as a pendulum. What none of us can know except in retrospect, is whether the pendulum has reached the end of its swing to the left. I don't think it has.
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Well the primitive is either a poor plagiarist or we know who he is now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Well the primitive is either a poor plagiarist or we know who he is now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The OP is an article from Rosa Brooks at foreignpolicy.com. The article quotes the Seidman Times op-ed at your link.
The link to the foreignpolicy.com article is at the bottom of the DUmmy's OP.
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We don't have a gun problem, we have a shithead problem, and almost everything the MSM and the Oministration want to do will only make it worse.
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How come primitives are only concerned with the government limiting effect The Constitution has when conservatives are in power, yet they view the same article with contempt when their guy is in office ?
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How come primitives are only concerned with the government limiting effect The Constitution has when conservatives are in power, yet they view the same article with contempt when their guy is in office ?
Because they're DUmbasses.
Any political party that has a jackass as a mascot can't be the sharpest light in the hall. (or is that brightest knife in the drawer, I keep forgetting).
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Any political party that has a jackass as a mascot can't be the sharpest light in the hall. (or is that brightest knife in the drawer, I keep forgetting).
Yes (to all).
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Because they're DUmbasses.
Any political party that has a jackass as a mascot can't be the sharpest light in the hall. (or is that brightest knife in the drawer, I keep forgetting).
When a jackass brays, you can hear him for miles.....ain't that just like a loud mouth democrat?
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coldmountain (351 posts)
As someone who has taught constitutional law for almost 40 years...
Which constitution?
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:thatsright:
They want mob rule. They want to be able to pack the Senate like they try to do with the House.
Hell even the President tries to call the U.S. a Democracy when it isn't....but it's closer to what he wants so he can get his way easier.
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They want mob rule. They want to be able to pack the Senate like they try to do with the House.
Hell even the President tries to call the U.S. a Democracy when it isn't....but it's closer to what he wants so he can get his way easier.
They just might find out how hard it is to 'mob rule' when the other side has weapons.
God help us all.
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They just might find out how hard it is to 'mob rule' when the other side has weapons.
God help us all.
Hence the reason they are trying to take them away from us as fast as they can.
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DUmmies lie,they lie all the time. There is no way someone has taught constitutional law for close to 40 years and is that stupid.
Or it's somebody's mole.
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coldmountain (351 posts)
4. The Constitution has failed and we are verging toward a failed state
Last edited Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:22 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The Constitution only protects the powerful
Yes that artist that gave us Jesus in piss is all powerful :thatsright:
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DUmmies have fetish for the crazy and perverted. :mental: