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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 19, 2013, 01:19:16 PM
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If you can't win by the rules, throw out the rules.
pnwmom (46,793 posts)
Finally: Obama uses the E word.
And I'm not talking about "Election."
I'm talking about EXTORTION, which is exactly what the Rethuglican party is trying to do in its threats to shut down the government and/or go into default unless he agrees to defunding or delaying Obamacare.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/obama-debt-ceiling_n_3948809.html
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama accused Republicans of extortion on Wednesday for planning to tie a vote to raise the debt ceiling to an effort to sink the Affordable Care Act.
During remarks at Business Roundtable, Obama said the country may be heading toward a debt default if Republicans don't stop tying unrelated items to the otherwise "basic function" of raising the debt ceiling. The government is on track to run out of money in mid-October, and House Republican leaders said Wednesday that they'll vote as soon as next week on a bill that ties a one-year delay in Obamacare to raising the debt limit.
"You have never seen in the history of the United States ... the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party, and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt," Obama said.
SNIP
Avalux (29,383 posts)
1. Good. Next he should call them traitors -
and have them arrested for treason.
russspeakeasy (6,001 posts)
2. Yes !
world wide wally (351 posts)
5. Why do you think the founding fathers used the term all threats foreign and "DOMESTIC"
They were not the mental lightweights the tea party makes them out to be
usaf-vet (72 posts)
6. Veterans should remember that it was part of their enlistment oath.
"support and defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"
sulphurdunn (4,078 posts)
11. I have never forgotten.
Last edited Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Ironically, these are the same sons-of-bitches who bang the war drum and threaten to shut down the government tasked with waging it. I honestly wonder if they are even mentally competent enough to charge with sedition.
mrmpa (2,003 posts)
9. Sedition
I think they're guilty of Sedition under the US Code. "Force" I interpret as their bullying.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Politicub (6,171 posts)
14. Sedition and the US legal code
Last edited Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4)
Let's hope the media know and report this.
On edit - 'by force" is the key modifier. While the behavior is seditious, it doesn't equate to a seditious conspiracy as defined in the US legal code - http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2384
But I'm not a lawyer so I don't know if force always implies physical force.
As an aside, the US code re: sedition and treason is a really interesting read. I hadn't thought to look it up until seeing your post.
18 U.S.C. § 2385 : US Code - Section 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government reads as:
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2385#sthash.vW7pvXnZ.dpuf
I'm including this section of the code since it has the words violence and force. Which begs the question - is there a different legal definition of force that doesn't include violence
mrmpa (2,003 posts)
27. One of the legal definitions of Force
Force means power, violence, or pressure directed against a person or thing. Force is a compulsion by physical means or by legal requirement.
Baitball Blogger (12,976 posts)
4. Extortionist, Racketeers, Traitors, Crooks and Corrupt Bastards.
All those words apply.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251324567
It's so cute when the anti-2nd Amendment set acts like it wants to start a civil war.
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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Obama's ass is grass.....GRASS!.....Did someone say grass? Lets smoke it[DU/mode]
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delay the execution of any law of the United States,
There you go, him and Sebelius.
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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States,
Sounds like the DUmmies are guilty since they are basically calling for a coup to keep Obama in power.
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Sounds like the DUmmies are guilty since they are basically calling for a coup to keep Obama in power.
It sounds to me as if they're describing blue city machine politics, or labor unions, or somesuch.
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Scratch a fascist find a DUchebag.
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Avalux (29,383 posts)
1. Good. Next he should call them traitors -
and have them arrested for treason.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0[/youtube]
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0[/youtube]
If you had to live with that, you too would rape women and hope to go to prison.....except she kept getting him out of trouble....she needed to ride his coat tails, not his dick.
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Lets dance, DUmbasses.
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pnwmom (46,793 posts)
Finally: Obama uses the E word.
And I'm not talking about "Election."
I'm talking about EXTORTION, which is exactly what the Rethuglican party is trying to do in its threats to shut down the government and/or go into default unless he agrees to defunding or delaying Obamacare.
http://www.huffingtonpost...bt-ceiling_n_3948809.html
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama accused Republicans of extortion on Wednesday for planning to tie a vote to raise the debt ceiling to an effort to sink the Affordable Care Act.
During remarks at Business Roundtable, Obama said the country may be heading toward a debt default if Republicans don't stop tying unrelated items to the otherwise "basic function" of raising the debt ceiling. The government is on track to run out of money in mid-October, and House Republican leaders said Wednesday that they'll vote as soon as next week on a bill that ties a one-year delay in Obamacare to raising the debt limit.
"You have never seen in the history of the United States ... the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party, and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and have nothing to do with the debt," Obama said.
SNIP
Well, at least not since the last time you and your minions did it, anyway!
Gimme a ****in' break, ShitForBrains!!
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Lets dance, DUmbasses.
I can has civil war II? :-)
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I can has civil war II? :-)
I'm tired of their talking. Let's see some action or shut the hell up, libs.
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Is this another Obama red line? :popcorn:
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Lets dance, DUmbasses.
say that in your Clint Eastwood voice
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Is this another Obama red line? :popcorn:
I think Obama himself would admit he's better with white (http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/obama.htm) lines than red ones...
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Yeah, cuz the founders made 3 branches of government for the sole purpose of funding whatever the executive branch wants. Saves him the trouble of carpal tunnel syndrome from writing all those executive orders. Their stupidity is just stunning.
And the idiot who said we thought the founders were political lightweights: yeah, that's why we're always the ones who think the Constitution should be the only law of the land. You guys are the ones who call them a bunch of rich white Christian misynist, racist pigs (not true, btw).
Interesting how you guys always want to follow the Constitution when you think it supports your whining when poor wittle 0bama doesn't get his way. You lemmings would jump off a cliff for him if he told you his socialist utopia was down there. Whatever he or any other "prominent" dem says, you dutifully start parroting it. That's what happens whe you're not capable of thinking for yourself.
You want treason: Rewriting laws through executive orders because it doesn't work. Even the dems in congress were pissed when he rewrote the 0bamacare law to grant large corporations extensions. Or, one of his most recent: signing an executive order that allows him to send weapons to terrorists (you know, the guys who blew up the twin towers) and who've been busy for a few years now killing our troops. Oh, wait, you don't care about that because in your heart you hate the military.
Checks and balances is key to our republic. You might try reading that part before parroting the boy king's hyperbole.
Cindie
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Is this another Obama red line? :popcorn:
Oof!Their stupidity is just stunning.
It's not stupid, it's deliberate.
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usaf-vet (72 posts)
6. Veterans should remember that it was part of their enlistment oath.
"support and defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"
Yeah, well, that might not turn out quite the way you have in mind, ya know.
:popcorn:
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usaf-vet (72 posts)
6. Veterans should remember that it was part of their enlistment oath.
"support and defend THE CONSTITUTION against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"
Yeah, well, that might not turn out quite the way you have in mind, ya know.
:popcorn:
Curious how the DUmmy left out the two most important words of that oath. :confused: My guess: he was counting on the other DUmmies filling in the blank with such endearing substitutes as The Government, Dear Leader, The Administration, The Holy WON of Shitcago...
Silly DUmbshit... :lmao:
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Hey DUmmies dissent is patriotic. I bet none of the drug addled idiots of DU remember saying that.
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Yeah, cuz the founders made 3 branches of government for the sole purpose of funding whatever the executive branch wants. Saves him the trouble of carpal tunnel syndrome from writing all those executive orders. Their stupidity is just stunning.
And the idiot who said we thought the founders were political lightweights: yeah, that's why we're always the ones who think the Constitution should be the only law of the land. You guys are the ones who call them a bunch of rich white Christian misynist, racist pigs (not true, btw).
Interesting how you guys always want to follow the Constitution when you think it supports your whining when poor wittle 0bama doesn't get his way. You lemmings would jump off a cliff for him if he told you his socialist utopia was down there. Whatever he or any other "prominent" dem says, you dutifully start parroting it. That's what happens whe you're not capable of thinking for yourself.
You want treason: Rewriting laws through executive orders because it doesn't work. Even the dems in congress were pissed when he rewrote the 0bamacare law to grant large corporations extensions. Or, one of his most recent: signing an executive order that allows him to send weapons to terrorists (you know, the guys who blew up the twin towers) and who've been busy for a few years now killing our troops. Oh, wait, you don't care about that because in your heart you hate the military.
Checks and balances is key to our republic. You might try reading that part before parroting the boy king's hyperbole.
Cindie
^5 Baby!!!!
Damn, you and "Toots" was born outa the same mind!
Have you watched "Agenda" yet? If y'all haven't I'll get a link. Tells us everything we already knew, but gives us a tool in order to teach those with no clue. Made it a must see in my family, and since I'm the biggest Bull in the barn, they'll do what I tell 'em! Just like when I handed out the pocket Constitution. If it ain't on 'em, it's in the glove box!
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^5 Baby!!!!
Damn, you and "Toots" was born outa the same mind!
Have you watched "Agenda" yet? If y'all haven't I'll get a link. Tells us everything we already knew, but gives us a tool in order to teach those with no clue. Made it a must see in my family, and since I'm the biggest Bull in the barn, they'll do what I tell 'em! Just like when I handed out the pocket Constitution. If it ain't on 'em, it's in the glove box!
Don't think I've seen it. I've heard of it. I'd love the link.
Cindie
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world wide wally (351 posts)
5. Why do you think the founding fathers used the term all threats foreign and "DOMESTIC"
They were not the mental lightweights the tea party makes them out to be
Remind me which party looks at the Founders as "a bunch of dead WHITE GUYS"...and which party still revere's the words of the Constitution 226 years later?
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world wide wally (351 posts)
5. Why do you think the founding fathers used the term all threats foreign and "DOMESTIC"
They were not the mental lightweights the tea party makes them out to be
Ah, the old dead white guys are just hunky phucking dory now, right? Something tells me that the Republicans would not be the ones they would desire to have incarcerated. Just a hunch, you understand....
Remind me which party looks at the Founders as "a bunch of dead WHITE GUYS"...and which party still revere's the words of the Constitution 226 years later?
:hi5: Great minds and all that...
usaf-vet (72 posts)
6. Veterans should remember that it was part of their enlistment oath.
"support and defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"
You probably should have read the Constitution, before you took the oath to defend it, Mr. DNC® operative. But then, ...... you probably never took it.
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DUmmies want pip daddy Obama to have a Cadillac coup deville.
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At the expense of coming off sounding like bunny bossy-pants: it would, I believe, be the height of irresponsibility to use a mole to echo/encourage this sort of acting-out. These words, even if nothing more than false bravado, feed similar actions, i.e. the hostage taking at the Discovery channel offices over climate change and the shooting at the FRC.
Proglodytes are emotionally weak, feel persecuted and blame others. They resent freedom for others. They are inherently dangerous.
If you have a mole that engages in such inflammatory speech -- STOP -- NOW!
It's only a matter of time before another leftist whackjob goes off. Do not be the one who encouraged him to do so when decent people will be grieving for loved ones lost.
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At the expense of coming off sounding like bunny bossy-pants: it would, I believe, be the height of irresponsibility to use a mole to echo/encourage this sort of acting-out. These words, even if nothing more than false bravado, feed similar actions, i.e. the hostage taking at the Discovery channel offices over climate change and the shooting at the FRC.
Proglodytes are emotionally weak, feel persecuted and blame others. They resent freedom for others. They are inherently dangerous.
If you have a mole that engages in such inflammatory speech -- STOP -- NOW!
It's only a matter of time before another leftist whackjob goes off. Do not be the one who encouraged him to do so when decent people will be grieving for loved ones lost.
Yes, they do tend to have a hare trigger.
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So let me get this straight.
When Congress VOTES against the regime, it's called "extortion."
When Obama ENFORCES acts through questionably legal procedures, it's called "the will of the people."
Got that.
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If you have a mole that engages in such inflammatory speech -- STOP -- NOW!
That's reverse psychology if I ever saw it.
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They were not the mental lightweights the tea party makes them out to be
I didn't understand this the first time around. What the hell is the DUmmie talking about? My teaparty t-shirt has photos of 4 of the founding fathers. We revere them.
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I didn't understand this the first time around. What the hell is the DUmmie talking about? My teaparty t-shirt has photos of 4 of the founding fathers. We revere them.
Right at this moment there are 2 or 3 threads claiming the founders are over-emphasized.
These people have no principles. Everything is an argument only for a given moment.
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So let me get this straight.
When Congress VOTES against the regime, it's called "extortion."
When Obama ENFORCES acts through unquestionably illegal procedures or acts as a dictator by usurping Congress's authority, it's called "the will of the people."
Got that.
FIFY
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usaf-vet (72 posts)
6. Veterans should remember that it was part of their enlistment oath.
"support and defend against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"
Yeah, well, that might not turn out quite the way you have in mind, ya know.
:popcorn:
I really don't think this guy is all there DumbAss Tanker. He does not realize HE is the DOMESTIC enemy our founding fathers were talking about.
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Right at this moment there are 2 or 3 threads claiming the founders are over-emphasized.
These people have no principles. Everything is an argument only for a given moment.
They're not going to say so, but they really dislike all that pesky research the NRA has done on the papers of the Founders that demonstrates the Second Amendment really IS about an individual right, and not just collective defense.
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FIFY
Much Grass.
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Thing of it is, given how bold they have gotten lately. What with a socialist president, a media machine that turns a blind eye to anything heinous concerning liberal actions. Attack on religion (oops, sorry. I meant just Christians). The relentless attempts at gun grabbing and so on and so forth. I can see them in the near future actually attempting an overthrow.
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Thing of it is, given how bold they have gotten lately. What with a socialist president, a media machine that turns a blind eye to anything heinous concerning liberal actions. Attack on religion (oops, sorry. I meant just Christians). The relentless attempts at gun grabbing and so on and so forth. I can see them in the near future actually attempting an overthrow.
Wait until 2015, when the Republicans (despite their best efforts to remain in the minority) have taken back the Senate and increased their caucus in the House. They'll be absolutely batshit then.
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I always thought a good coup involved some shooting and killing.....it ain't gonna happen with the Obama crowd....to cowardly.
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I always thought a good coup involved some shooting and killing.....it ain't gonna happen with the Obama crowd....to cowardly.
And unarmed.
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I always thought a good coup involved some shooting and killing.....it ain't gonna happen with the Obama crowd....to cowardly.
no they don't hold their guns correctly..... :rotf:
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no they don't hold their guns correctly..... :rotf:
I think it's a little weird - and just a bit unsettling - that you would know that...
[youtube=425,350]www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U[/youtube]
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I think it's a little weird - and just a bit unsettling - that you would know that...
[youtube=425,350]www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U[/youtube]
There are a few saggers that show up to the indoor range I shoot at. They have hit MY Target more than two lanes over cause they hold the weapon to the side in the sted of the way the manufacturer decided it should be shot ...LOL like you will hit anything...or anyone like that.
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There are a few saggers that show up to the indoor range I shoot at. They have hit MY Target more than two lanes over cause they hold the weapon to the side in the sted of the way the manufacturer decided it should be shot ...LOL like you will hit anything...or anyone like that.
Uh, it's not conceivable that any range would allow someone to hold a pistol sideways while shooting. Anyplace I've been, horseplay like that would earn you a quick trip back out to the parking lot.
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Scratch a fascist find a DUchebag.
Scratch a DUchebag and you risk contracting hepatitis C.
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Uh, it's not conceivable that any range would allow someone to hold a pistol sideways while shooting. Anyplace I've been, horseplay like that would earn you a quick trip back out to the parking lot.
I report them to the front desk anytime I see it cause that type of horse play has no place where there are guns.
Edit:added where
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I report them to the front desk anytime I see it cause that type of horse play has no place there are guns.
:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
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:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
Not quite sure of your meaning?
Edit: Oh I get it now LOL well just ask Tots there have been times even her target has had to many holes.
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Not quite sure of your meaning?
Edit: Oh I get it now LOL well just ask Tots there have been times even her target has had to many holes.
Yep. That's a true statement. No bouncy here. Cactus Carlos knows the range we go to. It happens. It's rare, but it happens.
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They do realize of course that once a government gets too large it loses control and leftists are usually the ones lined up against the wall and "liquidated" first right?
It happens because of their very nature. The government becomes totalitarian, the libs are first to begin whining about it and well..thats it for them.
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They do realize of course that once a government gets too large it loses control and leftists are usually the ones lined up against the wall and "liquidated" first right?
It happens because of their very nature. The government becomes totalitarian, the libs are first to begin whining about it when they figure out they are not in charge and have to actually produce and well..thats it for them.
Fixed it for ya!
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I always thought a good coup involved some shooting and killing.....it ain't gonna happen with the Obama crowd....to cowardly.
I agree and disagree. We can't compare DUmmies to real leftists. There are serious numbers brainwashed by the educators who can make an army if Obama chooses. The inner city animals will be a deadly distraction, they cannot be counted on to make disciplined troops...and shooting sideways doesn't hit a thang, cracker. The army of the left may even target the inner city first in order to garner support.
Where I do agree with you is people are not willing to die for Obama. Hillary is the real threat. She is the one to coalesce the murderous minions. Obama set the groundwork. He'll get a nice statue with the revolutionary figures, but his usefulness is over, he hasn't realized it yet.
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Thing of it is, given how bold they have gotten lately. What with a socialist president, a media machine that turns a blind eye to anything heinous concerning liberal actions. Attack on religion (oops, sorry. I meant just Christians). The relentless attempts at gun grabbing and so on and so forth. I can see them in the near future actually attempting an overthrow.
There's a good book out about that very scenario. I cannot remember the title. Read excerpts on a website. Let's just say it doesn't work out too well for the leftists. Execution by firing squad, leftist government toadies assassinated by snipers left and right. The Marxists, so arrogant and smug, wondering what went wrong, as they are awaiting execution, etc.....
I smiled. A lot. :-)
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There's a good book out about that very scenario. I cannot remember the title. Read excerpts on a website. Let's just say it doesn't work out too well for the leftists. Execution by firing squad, leftist government toadies assassinated by snipers left and right. The Marxists, so arrogant and smug, wondering what went wrong, as they are awaiting execution, etc.....
I smiled. A lot. :-)
When you remember the name of it, please let me know.
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When you remember the name of it, please let me know.
Unintended Consequences (http://www.amazon.com/Unintended-Consequences-John-Ross/dp/1888118040/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380163632&sr=8-2&keywords=unintended+consequences) sounds pretty similar to what was described. Janet Reno getting popped was a condition to stop iirc. I haven't read it in years. I remember liking it overall, but it is more libertarian than conservative.