Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:24 PMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/10023650514
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
What a remarkable piece of writing in Putin's Editorial at the NYT
This can be read in many ways, but undermining the Security Council indeed could lead to that. And the calls from many in the US to get out of the UN might no longer be seen as just mere posturing.
I just suffered a back to the future backlash. This is exactly the language used in the 1930s by multiple diplomatic corps as Germany started to arm itself. And the reference to the time the US and the USSR fought together to defeat the axis was all but accidental. This essay is directed at the US Government, but also directed at those who know history.
Again, this is a case that many of us have made here. So do not tell me that this is love of Putin. Anybody who understands the current global order gets that.
I would love to see an answer from POTUS in Isvestia, with a co-release in English at the WH. Let's have this in Russian.
Those of us who travel outside of US Borders get it. We have heard this more than once, and far more often than I care to think anymore. The US is seen as a brutish Empire who is striking when not getting it's way. So yes, I can assert with full confidence that this is the mood abroad.
The IDEALS of the US are still admired. The US itself, not so much.
I would quote more, but that would be a violation of IP, even if in this case, this should be treated as an official government document.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:40 PM
CakeGrrl (10,038 posts)
3. Oh that Putin, who jails journalists and LGBT - but who cares today? He writes so great!!!
Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:43 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
6. Well I guess Santayana would be in order, but I don't expect you to even know who Santayana was. But this is a remarkable piece, for reasons explained in the OP, but they went over your head.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:48 PM
SidDithers (29,160 posts)
7. "but I don't expect you to even know who Santayana was"...
FFS.
There are literally thousands of well-educated people at DU. Some, much better educated, and much more knowledgeable than even you.
Response to SidDithers (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:53 PM
dionysus (23,007 posts)
27. and, they can correctly spell "rifle".
Response to SidDithers (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:00 PM
Summer Hathaway (2,661 posts)
9. Well, I, for one, know very well who Santayana was ...
He was the guy who predicted ten meters of hailstones falling on Mexico City, an imminent war with North Korea, and the dangers of wind turbine blades flying up to a mile straight up in the air.
I believe he was also a "member of the press" at one point - but I could be mistaken.
Response to dionysus (Reply #27)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:56 AM
SidDithers (29,160 posts)
116. It's a kerfunkle, that's for sure...
Response to SidDithers (Reply #116)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:17 PM
Summer Hathaway (2,661 posts)
146. Little known fact:
Simon & Kerfunkle sang back-up on Santayana's first LP.
Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #3)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:46 PM
Sheepshank (5,586 posts)
139. Seriously!!
Putin is the OP's noble standard for what should be our political standard?
holy shit!!!
I hear N Korea's leaders have said a few good things in their time. Shall we add them to this new Rah Rah List? I'm almost positive Bin Laden said something nice and thoughtful too.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:23 PM
DevonRex (21,752 posts)
10. OMG I will throw up.
Seriously. He's a ****ing homophobic ex-KGB murderer. You can kiss his ass if you want to. I'm disgusted by the Putin worship, myself.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:43 PM
geek tragedy (30,817 posts)
20. Putin still making a certain crowd swoon.
His concern is solely for the functioning of the UN and good of humanity!
Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #36)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:55 AM
Codeine (12,766 posts)
95. She'd end up putting the entire NYT editorial staff on her Iggy List
with the speed of a flying turbine blade.
Response to Codeine (Reply #95)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:53 PM
dionysus (23,007 posts)
159. unless the draft got lost under 3 meters of hail so it could never be delivered to the NYT...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:53 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
50. Don't worry, the strong man in Russian history goes back to the tsars
they will never admit that, but Peter the Great was a thug as well. Don't get me started with Katherine.
I have studied Russian history and I get it. I just got done with an editorial for the paper.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:18 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
57. I guess historical references all over that essay is flriting with it
then again, this is coming from the leader of a country that talks of that war not as a good war, but the Great Patriotic War, and a war where 20 million plus of their nationals were lost. That is a low count by the way. (And I will add the dead from the purges at both ends, which brings the count of dead in the course of a generation to a mind boggling 60-70 million)
It is also a country where people learn history. I have learned that my compatriots in the United States mostly have the memory of gnats. The first gulf war, is as distant as the cambrian period, let alone the good war, unless it is in the movies.
Response to cprise (Reply #58)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:30 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
59. You mean the ones making the connections to what he wrote
and implied.
I will repeat this, memory of gnats.
I realize that most people should read that essay with a cliff notes to the formation of the UN, starting with the Yalta Conference, as well as another dealing with the interwar period. It is not my fault that I GOT THE BLOODY REFERENCES and what he is talking about.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:00 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
67. I write both news and fiction these days
I stopped doing dystopias. It is kind of hard to do dystopias when you read the news paper. Some of it I even write it.
And it is not that people are silly, they are just very ignorant and proud of it. I meant it when I said that most need to read that essay with at least a time line of events, with relevant quotes.
Response to 2naSalit (Reply #66)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:01 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
68. That pesky masters in history was helpful
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:14 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
120. Well it is time for you to go to the children's room
This is a remarkable moment in diplomacy, whether you get it or not, I don't care. I won't waste your time, or chiefly mine anymore.
Response to emsimon33 (Reply #80)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
152. I have most of those folks on ignore
For that precise reason.
I don't waste time with them any longer. Indeed, added a few more. If people want to act like three year olds, they have to be treated that way and confined to the children's table.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:29 AM
coldmountain (246 posts)
81. Get out the Polonium and let's celebrate
Response to bunnies (Reply #108)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:19 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
122. Tell me, when was the last time in your life time this has occurred?
Recent history works too. None is swooning over Putin. The essay is a remarkable historical moment. I don't expect you to understand this, USA, USA, USA!!!! So it's time for you to go to the children's wing of the ignore list.
Response to DCBob (Reply #92)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:41 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
137. Well the children are out in force today
Go on and play with the rest of the three year olds who cannot handle the real complex world at the children's wing of the ignore list. Just be careful with the swing set, was just installed. The rest of the amenities are on order. I am sure you will take the cream filled pies and continue to throw them, but that can't be helped.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:20 AM
Number23 (14,438 posts)
111. I have lived in four countries and spent copious amounts of time in a half dozen more
And your "full confidence assertion" that everyone abroad sees the US as a brutish empire is not based on anything more than your fevered wishes.
Response to IsItJustMe (Reply #113)e
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:25 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
129. That comrade comment sends you straight
To the children's wing comment of the ignore list. It's obvious you are not here for discussion, but to berate and to bully. These days I don't have patience for that. Good by
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #154)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:45 PM
maddezmom (132,694 posts)
156. What about all the field reporters that say it was Assad?
Seems like you are discounting those.
Response to maddezmom (Reply #156)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:54 PM
zappaman (9,913 posts)
160. They don't count.
Only the ones that make America look bad matter.
Cuz we are living in a dictablanda and if you understood arcs and trends, you would know America is a dying empire.
Suffice it to say, I'm not surprised you don't know this.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:00 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
67. I write both news and fiction these days
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:40 PM
CakeGrrl (10,038 posts)
3. Oh that Putin, who jails journalists and LGBT - but who cares today? He writes so great!!!
Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:43 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
6. Well I guess Santayana would be in order, but I don't expect you to even know who Santayana was. But this is a remarkable piece, for reasons explained in the OP, but they went over your head.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:48 PM
SidDithers (29,160 posts)
7. "but I don't expect you to even know who Santayana was"...
FFS.
There are literally thousands of well-educated people at DU. Some, much better educated, and much more knowledgeable than even you.
Response to SidDithers (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:53 PM
dionysus (23,007 posts)
27. and, they can correctly spell "rifle".
Response to dionysus (Reply #27)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:56 AM
SidDithers (29,160 posts)
116. It's a kerfunkle, that's for sure...
Response to SidDithers (Reply #116)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:17 PM
Summer Hathaway (2,661 posts)
146. Little known fact
Simon & Kerfunkle sang back-up on Santayana's first LP.
Seriously. He's a ****ing homophobic
Response to 2naSalit (Reply #66)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:01 AM
nadinbrzezinski (125,798 posts)
68. That pesky masters in history was helpful
146. Little known fact
Simon & Kerfunkle sang back-up on Santayana's first LP.
Every time I think the cousin can't get any more arrogant, she sets a new record.A new record for number of people on iggy list.
A new record for number of people on iggy list.
SidDithers
There are literally thousands of well-educated people at DU.
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #15)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:59 PM
nadinbrzezinski (125,811 posts)
17. except it is not parody and this essay *is being discussed in serious places*
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with serious thinkers, in the chattering classes.
this place stopped being one a while ago.
In fact, the reaction to this essay is the latest in a series of brush wars where DU is becoming increasingly divided.
Myself will continue to liberally use the Ignore feature on this site. I am done wasting my time. I will contend that it has become multiple sites residing in one server.
And if that means I miss the occasional pearl of wisdom so be it. But this, the cold war stopped a while ago. I do not intend to continue fighting the cold war. If you chose to do so, please proceed.
Oh and one more thing. I doubt I will miss too many pearls of wisdom, since quite a few on the ignore list. I will hazard the majority, are into pie throwing, not discussion, why they were put there to begin with. A few are also cyber stalkers, as in fitting the actual legal definition of the term, and cyber bullies.
Every time I think the cousin can't get any more arrogant, she sets a new record.
You know what the best part of Nad's 'iggy' list is ?
She gets to come here, CU and often the DuFu blog to read all of the best comments that she can not see otherwise - Just to realize that because of her mighty iggy list she can neither reply nor alert to/on any of them.
You know what the best part of Nad's 'iggy' list is ?
She gets to come here, CU and often the DuFu blog to read all of the best comments that she can not see otherwise - Just to realize that because of her mighty iggy list she can neither reply nor alert to/on any of them.
122. Tell me, when was the last time in your life time this has occurred?
Recent history works too. None is swooning over Putin. The essay is a remarkable historical moment. I don't expect you to understand this, USA, USA, USA!!!! So it's time for you to go to the children's wing of the ignore list.
She actually believes she's smarter than God.
Well, He doesn't have that pesky master's degree in history, does He?
I just suffered a back to the future backlash.It helps if you can fit into the Delorean first.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:40 PM
CakeGrrl (10,038 posts)
3. Oh that Putin, who jails journalists and LGBT - but who cares today? He writes so great!!!
For someone that supposedly stopped paying to have a star at DU the CBD certainly has a huge ignore list. bad enough that we have to suffer through her word salads but now she has to lie during her condescending posting.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:34 PM
Xipe Totec (30,375 posts)
7. You continue to impress me more so each time.
I hope to have the privilege of seeing you in person someday.
A tus órdenes
For someone that supposedly stopped paying to have a star at DU the CBD certainly has a huge ignore list. bad enough that we have to suffer through her word salads but now she has to lie during her condescending posting.
Often in the same article.
It helps if you can fit into the Delorean first.Not a problem. All Deloreans came standard equipped with a bowling ball slot.
If someone wanted to take the trouble, I bet you would find her responding to people she had previously said she had ploinked. Given her narcissistic personality, I'm guessing she avidly reads every post to or about her good or bad.